Shares your ideas about how will be 7800U, 7800 and 7600&U&GT

[Graphicmaniac]

Thats my idea:

if r520 wil be slightly faster than 7800GTX then nvidia will release 7800U
7800U 0.11
500/1500

if r520 will be much faster then they will release 7900gtx
7900gtx 0.11
500/1500
32 pipes
16 rops
8 vertex


7800
350/100


7600 0.9
16 pipes
8 ROPs
6 vertex
300/1000(128)

gt
500/1200(128)

ultra
600/1400(128)



lol, hope at least one of them will be like i'have said :D

[Pandora's Box]

Q: With the introduction of the GeForce 7800 GTX, does this mean you are discontinuing the GeForce 6 series?
No. The GeForce 7800 GTX will be NVIDIA's new flagship GPU, replacing the GeForce 6800 Ultra at the top of our product line. The other GeForce 6 Series GPUs including the GeForce 6800 GT and Standard, will remain in their respective segments.

Q: How long will the GeForce 6 series be available for purchase?
The GeForce 6 Series GPUs will remain in their respective segments, and will be offered through the end of this year.

Q: Is there a GeForce 7800 Ultra?
GeForce 7800 GTX is our top of the line. We had so much positive response for the GT SKU (single slot, great performance) that we wanted to build upon that success and brand. GeForce 7800 GTX takes NVIDIA's high end performance offering to the next level.

Q: Will there be a 512MB version?
While the GPU can support up to 512MB of RAM, it's up to our customers and consumer demand to bring one to market.


Straight from nvidia.com

[Graphicmaniac]

blah blah blah all marketing :))))))


sometimes i ask myself why am i studying marketing too lol

[Ninjaman09]

All cards except the 7800 GTX have 32 pipes. Cuz everyone knows the GTX isn't the REAL one. They're just saving their "secret weapon" for a couple months down the road so they can enrage whatever sorry douchebags bought their six hundred dollar "flagship" card. Ha! Suckers.

Geforce 7800 Ultra Ultra Mega Super Duper EXTREME

Core: 900MHz
Mem: 2000MHz

This will come out just in time for the R520 purely for the purpose of nVidia fans being able to say, "neener neener" to ATi fans, which is the kind of thing that drives nVidia's business model.

Geforce 7800 Super Duper Ultra

Core: 600MHz
Mem: 1800MHz

I know for a fact that this is coming out because on nVidia's site they said it wasn't going to. So it must be, because everything they say is a lie. They've lied a lot in the past so I have historical precedent on my side. Also this will be 400x better than R520.

Geforce 7800 GT

Core: 550MHz
Mem: 1700MHz

This will replace the 6800 GT. The clocks are 4 real because I know someone at nVidia who told me. They made this one way faster than the 7800 GTX because the 7800 GTX is really the slowest one, even though nVidia clearly said it was the fastest. Like I said before, they lie all the time.

Geforce 7800

Core: 500MHz
Mem: 1400MHz

This is the "regular" one. As you can see it destroys the ATI R520. Even though the specs are completely unknown. I can see into the future so don't question my judgement.

Geforce 7800 GTX

Core: 430MHz
Mem: 1200MHz

This is the one that just came out. Even though every single nVidia release has seen their flagship model come first, and even though nVidia says that this is their flagship model and that "GTX" is meant to replace "Ultra" in the naming scheme, I do not believe them because I am a dense, unforgivably stupid half-wit who cannot tie his own shoes and forgets which hole you're supposed to breathe with.

It's obvious to me that I am right in my summation because I have a lot of contacts with nVidia engineers and I really know what I'm talking about given my own engineering experience. Which is to say I read a lot of internet forums.

[tobywong]

All cards except the 7800 GTX have 32 pipes. Cuz everyone knows the GTX isn't the REAL one. They're just saving their "secret weapon" for a couple months down the road so they can enrage whatever sorry douchebags bought their six hundred dollar "flagship" card. Ha! Suckers.


Yes because we all know if R520 trumps 7800GTX in the benches then Nvidia is going to wring their hands and do nothing right? I mean they said right there in the FAQ that the 7800GTX is as good as it gets so that means they are bound by the FAQ and can never release a faster ver otherwise they will anger the FAQ gods! :rolleyes:

[Red_Shift]

Ninjaman you must be joking.
Either way, all I want now is an AGP version as I'm not going to change all my system till Longhorn. I hope this will happen cause unless nVidia and ATi made an agreement they'll surely have AGP on this year's products as they wouldn't risk loosing share. I'm dreaming about a 7800 vanilla with 256mb of DDR3 and 20pp, and maybe 6 or 7 vp for 300€ :zzzz:

[Richteralan]

teh FAQ gods predict teh future

[Ninjaman09]

Ninjaman you must be joking.
Ya think?

Sorry, I resort to sarcasm when logic and reason fail. Then again, this is the Rumor Mill section, maybe I'm out of line here. ;)

[MUYA]

I think the memory speeds are not to in line with whtat is available or will be available. Just cranking the speed of the memoryw ill not do, or increasing the width of the memory interface. It all adds to noise and increased PCB layers to counteract it and other such measures. Thats why NVIDIA are still using good ole 1.6ns memory modules. Becauwe a) there isn't too much 1.4ns memory around or b) there actually isn't 1.4ns available yet

[Tacitblue]

It certainly is an interesting yet logical explanation why what's stated as the "high end" of its lineage GPU can be properly launched instead of a paper launch, with thousands available on the first day.

Some B3D specs of the 6800 Ultra at 130nm, 222 transistors @ 287mm², if it was shrunk down to 110nm that would make it approx 205mm². With back of the napkin fuzzymath a 334mm² G70 could have almost 63% more die space proportionally than the 6800U. So we've got a possibility of a 360M+ transistor GPU of which only 302 are stated and presumably the functional units. How this translates into more pipelines might be interesting indeed. If everything were scaled up linearly from the GTX, there's possibly up to 28 fragment shaders in the full chip, if they don't increase the vertex from 8 to 10 or bump the rasterisor elements from 16 to 18 there might be 32 pixel shader pipelines.

They must be saving the fully functional units for a later launch. No way such a launch can happen if it is ONLY a 24 pipeline unit and delivered be done in such quantities for the first day and not be a paper launch only.

How this compares to the RSX variant might be interesting, if RSX is a 32 pipeline chip at 90nm, they'll have more die canidates sure, but will they go the redundancy route as the 7800GTX has, 90nm is going to have some bugs at first affecting both absolute functionality of shader pipelines, and and lesser issues that won't allow the flawed pipeline at full speed necessitating it be culled. Some are saying that they'll try for 28 out of 32 for that unit.

[halduemilauno]

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24313&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=764dfeab687afe29ac345b8873706820
;)

[Graphicmaniac]

maybe the 32 pipe version qill be used only if r520 will be much faster then 7800gtx. this new gpu could be called 7900gtx i think.

if r520 will be only slightly faster then i think they will just release 7800U as overclocked 7800gtx.

[Red_Shift]

I think the memory speeds are not to in line with whtat is available or will be available. Just cranking the speed of the memoryw ill not do, or increasing the width of the memory interface. It all adds to noise and increased PCB layers to counteract it and other such measures. Thats why NVIDIA are still using good ole 1.6ns memory modules. Becauwe a) there isn't too much 1.4ns memory around or b) there actually isn't 1.4ns available yet

Samsung started mass production of 1,6GHz GDDR3 and also developed 2GHz parts. We might see 1,6GHz parts on high-end R520 and 7800U.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20050626190852.html

[jolle]

Maybe they end up renaming the current line.
6800U -> 7700GT /GTX (Ultra?)
6800GT -> 7600GT /GTX (GT)
6800 -7500GT /GTX (NU?)
6600 - 7400
etc..

Would make it "look" more like a complete line, or just keep it like it is..
ATi has done renaming in the past (x600 = 9600 etc).
And we got GF4 Ti4800 (Ti4200 with aGPx8).
Feels like they dont really have to put out new GPUs below the 7800GTX (since that is where 6800 Ultra and GT are, with the same featureset).
But they can keep adding to the top, with 7900GTX or whatever it would be called.

[OWA]

Yes because we all know if R520 trumps 7800GTX in the benches then Nvidia is going to wring their hands and do nothing right?
I think it depends. They didn't see it necessary to do a refresh on the 6800 series just b/c the X850 XT PE or whatever it is called was a little faster. I think part of that is due to having SLI available. If ATI releases Crossfire and has the faster single card, I think they'd be more inclined to react. I still expect some sort of fall/winter refresh though (or maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part).

[rohit]

wait a min. i read on the oc uk forums (some guy here had posted the link), some guy there said both the 7800gtx and gt are in stock and stuff, and they will be launched as soon as the nda is lifted. this was later kinda confirmed by the inq.

but still no signs of GT

[jolle]

Wasnt that like GTX = SLi ready, GT = Not SLi ready?

[junkbond-jones]

Maybe they end up renaming the current line.
6800U -> 7700GT /GTX (Ultra?)
6800GT -> 7600GT /GTX (GT)
6800 -7500GT /GTX (NU?)
6600 - 7400
etc..

Would make it "look" more like a complete line, or just keep it like it is..
ATi has done renaming in the past (x600 = 9600 etc).
And we got GF4 Ti4800 (Ti4200 with aGPx8).
Feels like they dont really have to put out new GPUs below the 7800GTX (since that is where 6800 Ultra and GT are, with the same featureset).
But they can keep adding to the top, with 7900GTX or whatever it would be called.
i wouldnt like that at all. that's what ATi does, rebadge old products as new ones. any 7 series should have the functions of a 7 series imo.

[jAkUp]

Yea I wouldn't like it if they renamed their chips either. A cheap way of ripping people off.

Here is my guess,
7800GTX- SLI Ready, 24 Pipelines, 256bit memory bandwith, 8 Vertex
7700GT- 16 Pixel Pipelines, 256bit memory bandwith, 6 Vertex
7600- 12 Pixel Pipelines, 256bit memory bandwith, 4 Vertex
7500- 8 Pixel Pipelines, 128bit memory bandwith, 4 Vertex

[msxyz]

The latest Forceware 80 includes a string for a G72 device.

I do hope to see the 256bit reach the mainstream market. And AGP, too.

[Graphicmaniac]

with a samsung ram of 1600 mhz i think there will be no need of 256 bit in mainsteam.

jakup, why have u had an idea about 7500? eheh maybe its a marketing idea remebeeringthe old but much sold ati radeon 7500? ehe

[MUYA]

Wasnt that like GTX = SLi ready, GT = Not SLi ready?

u would be suprised since when SLI was implemented/tested/worked succesfully...ie generation. so a no sli verison doesn;t make sense to me...really since there are now rumours of all gen 6 being SLI enabled through drivers

[msxyz]

with a samsung ram of 1600 mhz i think there will be no need of 256 bit in mainsteam.Micron and Samsung advertise 1.2nS RAM on their sites since 2002. I still haven't seen them around almost three years later.

As speed goes up, building an appropriate PCB becomes also more difficult. You'll need more layers but also to switch to more expensive materials for the dielectric substrate.

[Kojiro]

hardware does not nesasarily have to be faster to sell a lot. At 600 dollar range, it's aiming for the niche group of tech junkies that absolutely need the lates tech becuse they get off with all thoughs numbers, specs and bench mark results.

The real money is made from the sub $200 and sub $100 dollar range video card sales.

[Holy Smoke]

Yea I wouldn't like it if they renamed their chips either. A cheap way of ripping people off.

Here is my guess,
7800GTX- SLI Ready, 24 Pipelines, 256bit memory bandwith, 8 Vertex
7700GT- 16 Pixel Pipelines, 256bit memory bandwith, 6 Vertex
7600- 12 Pixel Pipelines, 256bit memory bandwith, 4 Vertex
7500- 8 Pixel Pipelines, 128bit memory bandwith, 4 Vertex
Methinks you're a bit optimistic towards the 7600. No mainstream card yet has had a 256bit databus, and I think a 128bit card with 6 vertex shaders is more in line with what we'll see on that one.

Still, I'm not that worried about the 7x00 line being rebadged parts. nVidia would never get away with releasing an entire new line of cards where only the flagship card is a new part, and they know it. The budget segment maybe, but not the mainstream and high end cards. Even the x600 cards were just interim products for the x700 series. Rebadging the 6800 series as 7700GT might actually happen, though.