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fireballz
07-07-05, 04:04 PM
Hi, just wondering if you think this desktop is alright. Not looking for the greatest machine, just something decent (6600GT is perfect for me).

AMD A64 3500( 939 )
Asus A8N-SLI Mainboard
OCZ 1G Dual Channel Premier
MSI NX6600GT 128E 128M ( PCI-E 16X )
200G SATA Hard Drive
1.44M Floppy Drive
Tsunami Case( w/450W 3-fan power )
LG 4163 16x DVD Burner
16X LG DVD ROM
On board Sound / Lan / USB
Altec Lansing Subwoofer Speaker
Multimedia Keyboard & Optical Mouse

Price: $1225 CDN
(link here, scroll down a bit (http://www.canadasys.com/desktop.htm#AMD%20Desktops))

Are these specs good for the price? Doesn't come w/ OS or software. Also, any suggestions for pre-configured systems in Canada (Toronto)?

Thanks.

jAkUp
07-07-05, 05:20 PM
It looks ok, minus the videocard.. I would definetely go for something a little beefier if you plan on doing much gaming. The 128bit memory bandwith and 128mb memory is a little low compared to today's standard's... and will be a bottleneck in future games.

anzak
07-07-05, 05:35 PM
Thats not a bad price at all. Since that is an SLI mobo I'd recommend getting another 6600GT later.

jAkUp
07-07-05, 05:38 PM
Even so he would still only have 128mb video memory. I would recommend moving up to a 6800 Vanilla. You can get the 256bit memory bandwith, and you will also have 256mb of memory.

anzak
07-07-05, 05:47 PM
Even so he would still only have 128mb video memory. I would recommend moving up to a 6800 Vanilla. You can get the 256bit memory bandwith, and you will also have 256mb of memory.

A 6800 vanilla isn't much faster than a 6600GT and can't touch the performance of two 6600GT's. I'm talking about performance, not specs. Not everyone requires 1600x1200 w/ 4xAA and 16xAF. :rolleyes: I built a system with a single 6600GT for a friend and he plays everything at 1280x960 w/ AF great.

EDIT:

BF2 - 1024x768 w/ 4xAA and 8xAF

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=12396&stc=1

The 6600GT's in SLI beats the 6800GT. Since the computer already comes with a single 6600GT, why ditch it for something only a little better when you can throw in another card (for $150USD) and get 6800GT performance?

jAkUp
07-07-05, 06:04 PM
Do those graphs show stuttering?

The latest games need more than 128mb of video ram to run smoothly with the highest texture detail. If he's happy with low-medium texture quality on upcoming games, well then, I guess dual 6600GT's would be ok.

anzak
07-07-05, 06:20 PM
So you think he should replace (yes replace, the system comes with a 6600GT) with a card thats only a little faster? I've used both 256mb 6800s and 128mb 6600s. I didn't notice any diffrence in stuttering after being forced to downgrade to a 128mb 6800 after my GT died. Playing on 128mb isn't bad at all if your not picky (like some people on this forum). Personally, I think its crazy to make such a small upgrade.

jAkUp
07-07-05, 06:23 PM
I didn't say he should replace. If he has the option of upgrading, I think it would be worthwhile to spend the extra $70 to get something a little more futureproof.

With 512mb cards coming out soon, it won't be long before texture resolutions are so high that even 256mb cards will have texture swapping. The UE3 engine will take advantage of 512mb video cards. Can you imagine what a 128mb card will be like to the UE3 engine? It will be the equivalent of a 64mb card today.

If you plan on keeping the computer for a few years, then I think its a worthy upgrade. If not, well, the 6600GT is fine.

anzak
07-07-05, 06:24 PM
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. :p

EDIT: I still don't understand why they went with an expensive SLI mobo only to use a single card. o.O I take back what I said and recommend you build it you self, you would have a choce over what parts you wish to use and it should be at least a little cheaper.

junkbond-jones
07-07-05, 06:46 PM
Hi, just wondering if you think this desktop is alright. Not looking for the greatest machine, just something decent (6600GT is perfect for me).

AMD A64 3500( 939 )
Asus A8N-SLI Mainboard
OCZ 1G Dual Channel Premier
MSI NX6600GT 128E 128M ( PCI-E 16X )
200G SATA Hard Drive
1.44M Floppy Drive
Tsunami Case( w/450W 3-fan power )
LG 4163 16x DVD Burner
16X LG DVD ROM
On board Sound / Lan / USB
Altec Lansing Subwoofer Speaker
Multimedia Keyboard & Optical Mouse

Price: $1225 CDN
(link here, scroll down a bit (http://www.canadasys.com/desktop.htm#AMD%20Desktops))

Are these specs good for the price? Doesn't come w/ OS or software. Also, any suggestions for pre-configured systems in Canada (Toronto)?

Thanks.


what kind of hard drive is it?

is the power supply that comes w/ the case a thermaltake PSU or some junko brand?

here's what i'd build for 1200 CDN

NCIX.com - Buy ARCTIC SILVER 5 HIGH-DENSITY POLYSYNTHETIC SILVER THERMAL COMPOUND 3.5 GRAM - AS5-3.5 In Canada (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=10715&vpn=AS5-3.5&manufacture=ARCTIC%20SILVER" ADD_DATE="1120775798" LAST_CHARSET="UTF-8" ID="rdf:#$r40xu2")
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NCIX.com - Buy MSI NX6600GT-TD128E VIDEO CARD GEFORCE 6600 GT PCI-E 128MB DDR 128BIT VGA DVI TV-OUT - MS-8983-010 In Canada (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=13799&vpn=MS-8983-010&manufacture=MicroStar" ADD_DATE="1120775798" LAST_CHARSET="UTF-8" ID="rdf:#$v40xu2")
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NCIX.com - Buy ANTEC SLK2650-BQE BLACK QUIET MID-TOWER CASE 4X5.25 2X3.5 2X3.5INT 350W - SLK2650-BQE In Canada (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=12095&vpn=SLK2650-BQE&manufacture=ANTEC" ADD_DATE="1120775798" LAST_CHARSET="UTF-8" ID="rdf:#$x40xu2")
or
NCIX.com - Buy ANTEC SONATA II BLACK ATX 16IN MID TOWER CASE 3X5.25 2X3.5 4X3.5IN 450W AIR DUCT 120MM FAN - SONATA II In Canada (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15422&vpn=SONATA%20II&manufacture=ANTEC" ADD_DATE="1120775798" LAST_CHARSET="UTF-8" ID="rdf:#$y40xu2")
NCIX.com - Buy NEC ND-3520A DVD+RW 16X8X16 DVD-RW 16X6X16 CDRW 48X24X48 DUAL LAYER+R 4X INT IDE BLACK OEM W/SW - ND-3520A-BLACK In Canada (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=13913&vpn=ND-3520A-BLACK&manufacture=NEC-MITSUBISHI" ADD_DATE="1120775798" LAST_CHARSET="UTF-8" ID="rdf:#$z40xu2")
NCIX.com - Buy SONY BLACK 1.44MB 3.5IN FLOPPY DRIVE - MPF920-1/121 In Canada (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=9047&vpn=MPF920-1/121&manufacture=SONY" ADD_DATE="1120775798" LAST_CHARSET="UTF-8" ID="rdf:#$A40xu2")
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then throw in another 6600GT when they hit 100 bucks.

fireballz
07-07-05, 07:42 PM
Thanks for all the opinions.

I think a single 6600GT will be perfectly fine for me (for now) and when the time comes, I can upgrade (which is why the nice SLI motherboard is good to have).

I'll find out the brand of the HD (does brand matter all that much? But I have to find out the RPM too) and about the powersupply, and then ask for more feedback.

Other than that though, does everything else seem to be good?

Thanks again.

junkbond-jones
07-07-05, 07:57 PM
find out the make/model of the HDD; cache, speed

the PSU is one of the most important things in your computer, make sure it's not cheap

also would find out if the parts used to build it are retail and if you get the boxes and manufacturer warranty. (if not, one reason why i would suggest building it yourself)

would also be quieter if you installed that zalman HSF i linked to above & have greater overclocking performance.

wheeljack12
07-07-05, 11:18 PM
If markham is not too far a drive/journey for you, then Try tigerdirect.ca. They have a outlet store in Markham and they configurable Systemax PCs.
Mind you, I don't speak for the rest of Canada, but for preconfigured for the Toronto area, this is as big as they get.

You can choose from the gaming pcs or the build to order customizable ones. I don't how they do it at the outlet store. You may want to call the store to find out.

Here is the pc listing:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Category/category_tlc.asp?CatId=6

here is the info for the markham store:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/retailstores/markham.asp