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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163056,00.html
Are we gonna get screwed again? Is this another "trust us" and then we get a liberal justice in 5 years? I don't like this one bit. There are parts of the administration's tactics that I HATE WITH A PASSION. The idea of "lets get along" and there by advancing liberal idea pisses me off. Why didn't I just vote for Gore or Kerry if Bush is gonna put up liberal judges and spend us into oblivian just to "appease" the left.
BOLLOCKS!
/Jeff is grumpy today.
Zelda_fan
07-20-05, 03:21 PM
As long as John Roberts is anti-abortion, I am all for him. IMHO that is my biggest issue with whomever is going to be a supreme court judge.
Abortion is a single issue. I don't want a anti-abortion justice. I want a strict construtionist. Otherwise we will have another activist judge but on the right and I fear ALL activist judges.
It is possible for a justice to be personally anti-abortion and still make a correct ruling that might favor abortion. It is about following the constitution not a single issue.
killahsin
07-20-05, 03:42 PM
here let me give you a clue. roe vs wade will never be overturned. Now soime details may be added.t trimester things tweaked and so forth. But roe vs wade will NEVER be over turned.
evilchris
07-20-05, 03:48 PM
here let me give you a clue. roe vs wade will never be overturned. Now soime details may be added.t trimester things tweaked and so forth. But roe vs wade will NEVER be over turned.
Where did you buy your crystal ball? Supreme Court rulings are overturned from time to time.
killahsin
07-20-05, 03:55 PM
my crystal ball? Nice way to put it. It's called a womans right to chose. It is inherently their right, no matter how far right a set of judges would be the supreme court won't overturn that. It would cause utter chaos across this country. whether you believe it or not. When supreme court judges speak of it right and left and future hopefuls they are solid in the fact that it is 'set in stone'. It's not going to be overturned although minor details might be changed. Trimesters and so forth. unless your to young to remmeber, im sure you don't want to go back to people using clothes hangers.
evilchris
07-20-05, 04:03 PM
I think abortion creates a lax attitude towards sex and its potential consequences. It has added to the completely immoral, sex crazed society that we live in. Chaos? We've already got it. "Oh, no biggie if I screw 10 guys and get preggers, I'll just abort it."
I also believe a baby to be alive before it is born.
Additionally, if the woman has 100% of the "right" to choose, then your logic dictates that the man has the right to choose not to pay for the baby's upbringing should the woman choose to give birth. Afterall, it was her choice! Or does she only get the choice when it benefits her the most? ( ie murdering the baby )
Putting convenience ahead of life is one of the most disgusting ideas liberalism has ever brought forth. Yeah yeah I know, "what about rape victims". The bottom line is the vast majority of abortions are performed due to irresponsibility. Abortion is a tool to relieve oneself of responsibility. Abortion is murder and the woman shouldn't have that "right". I'd like to see the Supreme Court declare full constitutional rights to an unborn, thus eliminating Roe v. Wade.
BTW I'm not religious so am not imposing any religious belief. Contrary to popular belief, abortion is opposed by much more than just those "pesky Christians" the left blames everything on.
killahsin
07-20-05, 04:14 PM
The only point you made i'm going to address is the sexual lax attitude. Is that why the sexual revolution happend in this country before roe vs wade? As a country we are alot less sexual now then they were in the 60s/70s lol. Where couples regularly traded partners nightclubs all over the country were created just for this.
the point is not what we believe, but what is deserved. To tell a woman what she does with her body is not within her control is rediculous. To tell a woman who may die because of pregnancy she must die is rediculous. Inherently it is her right and she will use that right regardless of the law. And we do not want anothger 60s/70s generation of clotheshanger abortions.
I also am not in favor of abortion and even agree with you evilchris that it should be a mans right then not to support his kids but such a thing may even drive up abortion. Like slavery and ones free rights it will never be over turned unless there is catastrophic event.
killahsin
07-20-05, 04:17 PM
and just to clearify i am also against abortion lol....believe it or not.
Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights. There is nothing in the constitution about the right to a abortion. It is a made up right. That whole rulling makes a mockery of the US Constitution. Only a pure activist could agree with that ruling.
killahsin
07-20-05, 04:20 PM
i am an abortion extremist? haha I am against abortion. Does the emancipation proclamation make a mockery of our constitution also?
I edited my post after reading your last post before this one. ;)
Show me where there is a right to a abortion in the constitution. You can't because there is no such right. The Emancipation Proclamation was ratified by congress and sent to the president to sign after the states voted on it. It was ALL done in the legislative process. Roe vs. Wade was legislated from the bench. The courts do not have the authority to legislate from the bench. Since it is not in the constitution it is then MADE UP!
evilchris
07-20-05, 04:22 PM
The main argument is always " it's the woman's body ". What about the babies body? The woman's right to convenience is trumped by the babies right to live.
KerrAvon
07-20-05, 04:22 PM
Abortion has nothing to do with women's rights. There is nothing in the constitution about the right to a abortion. It is a made up right. That whole rulling makes a mockery of the US Constitution. Only a pure activist could agree with that ruling.
But it has to do with a woman's right to say what should be done or not done with her body.
If I said to you "Cut off your hand", you have the right not to do it, don't you? Why shouldn't women have that right, to decide what goes on with their bodies?
I personally don't care either way. I'm not a woman and I don't like children, so what women do with babies doesn't make a difference to me.
killahsin
07-20-05, 04:25 PM
It is ok to be one way but UNDERSTAND the other ways views and respect them for their views. I understand the womans right movements views and i respect them for it, regardless of my beliefs. Thus even though i believe that abortion is the death of our futures greatest minds i also understand what these women want. I understand why they fight for the fundemental right. Like i said i believe that certain aspects of the law will be changed and should be changed. The right to fundementally choose won't ever be changed. Because of those exact extremes, that happened more then we like to admit.
But it has to do with a woman's right to say what should be done or not done with her body.
If I said to you "Cut off your hand", you have the right not to do it, don't you? Why shouldn't women have that right, to decide what goes on with their bodies?
I personally don't care either way. I'm not a woman and I don't like children, so what women do with babies doesn't make a difference to me.
You hand does not have a living human in it.
KerrAvon
07-20-05, 04:25 PM
The main argument is always " it's the woman's body ". What about the babies body? The woman's right to convenience is trumped by the babies right to live.
It's still inside the woman's body. And like it or not, not everyone believes as you do.
It is ok to be one way but UNDERSTAND the other ways views and respect them for their views. I understand the womans right movements views and i respect them for it, regardless of my beliefs. Thus even though i believe that abortion is the death of our futures greatest minds i also understand what these women want. I understand why they fight for the fundemental right. Like i said i believe that certain aspects of the law will be changed and should be changed. The right to fundementally choose won't ever be changed. Because of those exact extremes, that happened more then we like to admit.
That is nuts. Not all opinions, beliefs are equal.
killahsin
07-20-05, 04:27 PM
You hand does not have a living human in it.
No but you neck does. If i tell you to chop your head off is it your right to chose not to? i am refering to stem cells you know the thing life is created from?
evilchris
07-20-05, 04:27 PM
It's still inside the woman's body. And like it or not, not everyone believes as you do.
I believe the issue is split pretty much 50/50 and support for abolishing abortion is increasing.
What's the difference whether it's in a crib or in her body? Why is a man who murders a pregnant woman charged with double homicide in a lot of states? I'm tired of these double standards...
killahsin
07-20-05, 04:27 PM
That is nuts. Not all opinions, beliefs are equal.
sure they arent equal in your belief.
evilchris
07-20-05, 04:28 PM
No but you neck does. If i tell you to chop your head off is it your right to chose not to? i am refering to stem cells you know the thing life is created from?
Chopping off your head doesn't kill a third party.
No but you neck does. If i tell you to chop your head off is it your right to chose not to? i am refering to stem cells you know the thing life is created from?
That is obsurd. Your head is part of a single whole. A baby is the incubation of a new life. It is not another organ in your body. It is a new body.
Where do you guys find your arguments from, a Cracker Jack box?
sure they arent equal in your belief.
In yours also. You have show it by taking a stance in your argument. Are Usama's beliefs as equal as yours?
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