London Police Shoots and Kills Suspected Bomber

[DiscipleDOC]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163291,00.html

:clap2:

One more terrorist bites the dust. [Sarcasm]Enjoy your 72 virgins.[/End Sarcasm]

[S.I.N]

"They pushed him onto the floor and unloaded five shots into him. He's dead,"

well thats shocking...London PD actually killed someone. :eek:

[simonuk]

well thats shocking...London PD actually killed someone. :eek:

I am glad the Police are taking a tough line against them, if the terrotists think they can scare us with their bombs they had better think again! :bash:

[Son Goku]

hehe, was just discussing this very story:

Anyhow, here was the witnesses full accont:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm

Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I was sitting on the train reading my paper.

"I heard a load of noise, people saying, 'Get out, get down!'

"I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers.

'Bomb belt'

"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him.

"I saw the gun being fired five times into the guy - he is dead," he said.

BBC Home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore said officers had challenged a known suspect they had been following.

"He ran, they followed him. They say they gave him a warning, they then shot him.

What this has left me wondering is whether the guy knew they were the police; or might have thought a crook was following them. Hmm...

Lets just say I grew up in New Jersey, not all that far from New York BTW. If some plain cloathes guys started running after me, I might think mugger, and wonder if they're after my wallet.

The article DD posted does provide some additional info...

[vampireuk]

"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic

Owned by a cleric :eek:

Seriously, the general public should just be quiet about what they were carrying unless they want to come off as fools.

[nrs421]

if he was one of them good!

i have a friend who lives in london and has gotten harrased on the train by thugs becuase he looks south asian (he's not)....4 or 5 of them harassed him while on the subway telling him they were making a citizens arrest and stuff..... so it will be interesting to see how the story unfolds...

[joltcola]

That has got to rack the nervs a little bit to be a passenger, and see that happen right in front of you. I'd like to hear what the officers thought the guy was carrying, and what they found. I hope it helps them in their investigations.
Anyone know what the police there in London carry?

-- jolt

[vampireuk]

I know the police in the UK usually carry Glocks but I'm not too sure on the actual model.

[joltcola]

I know the police in the UK usually carry Glocks but I'm not too sure on the actual model.

Yah? Seems like glock has become a standard for police use around the world. First time I saw a glock was with a parole officer that I used to surf with. He switched to a 9mm as a seconday (primary when off duty). Said he loved it.

[evilchris]

Have fun with allah ****head. Oops, there is no allah, sorry you lose, you're dead!

[joltcola]

Man who was shot, not apart of the bombings... (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-07-22T162522Z_01_EIC258403_RTRUKOC_0_SECURITY-BRITAIN-SHOT.xml)

A pretty thin article, not much info... thought i'd post it anyway..

-- jolt

[vampireuk]

He was still a terror suspect

[evilchris]

He was still a terror suspect

Not anymore, he's a lead repository!!

[Son Goku]

Man who was shot, not apart of the bombings... (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-07-22T162522Z_01_EIC258403_RTRUKOC_0_SECURITY-BRITAIN-SHOT.xml)

A pretty thin article, not much info... thought i'd post it anyway..

-- jolt

Still been trying to find out what's going on with this. But from this article :(

[nrs421]

He was still a terror suspect


and what happens if he was a terror suspect because they got the house number wrong or something....

[evilchris]

and what happens if he was a terror suspect because they got the house number wrong

You win some, you lose some. Expecting the police to be perfect when allah's death minions are bombing trains is ludicrous.

[KerrAvon]

and what happens if he was a terror suspect because they got the house number wrong or something....

Then he shouldn't have run. They didn't just show up at his house and start shooting him. I'm sure they identified themselves at some point. If you make the police chase you, any consequences are your fault.

[joltcola]

He was still a terror suspect

True, and within their policy as they described it in the article the officers did their job. Glad to see they are enforcing it. Just pointing out new developments.

-- jolt

[saturnotaku]

Then he shouldn't have run. They didn't just show up at his house and start shooting him. I'm sure they identified themselves at some point. If you make the police chase you, any consequences are your fault.

Absolutely correct and completely agreed. :)

Why run if you have nothing to hide? If it was the wrong house number, the guy who answered the door should say, "Oh, I'm sorry officers, you want 321 Main Street. This is 123. Just go down two blocks and it's the house with the green shutters. Have a nice day and good luck finding him."

[evilchris]

Good for those police for showing allah's virgin seekers that they aren't messing around. Don't let the wimps slow you down guys!

[nrs421]

i think we should wait to hear the entire story before jumping to conclusions but from what i've read they were following him from the moment he left his house and only identified themselves in the subway when they pulled out guns .....given the situation right now from what i hear about people who are south asian looking being harrased by people in the subway (from a buddy who lives there sometimes mistaken for being south asian, when he isnt) people doing stupid things have to be taken into account.....if however, the guy was a terrorist then good on the cops and they should be commended....

[Son Goku]

and what happens if he was a terror suspect because they got the house number wrong or something....

This was my thoughts...

As to his having run, looking at the FOX article it looks like they started following him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163291,00.html

Sky News reporter Martin Brunt at Scotland Yard said police were telling him unofficially that the man shot was a "firm suspect" in Thursday's unsuccessful bombing attempts. That news network later reported that there were no explosives found on the man.

The man, described by passengers as South Asian, was shot was wearing a thick coat when he ran into the Stockwell subway station in south London Friday. Police reportedly began following the man when he left his home in an effort to arrest him.

Though it might sound like semantics, chase vs. follow don't connote the same action. There has been mention the officers were plain cloaths, so I'm not sure if he was running from the police per se... I'm still trying to piece together the specifics of what happened...

BTW, nrs421, I'm sorta having this discussion on 2 forums, and in the course of discussion you're comment

i have a friend who lives in london and has gotten harrased on the train by thugs becuase he looks south asian (he's not)....4 or 5 of them harassed him while on the subway telling him they were making a citizens arrest and stuff..... so it will be interesting to see how the story unfolds...

came up. Is that cool with ya? A little reticent to go mentioning what someone has said (though I didn't provide any names), where they're not there to see/know of/comment on it...

[nrs421]

came up. Is that cool with ya? A little reticent to go mentioning what someone has said (though I didn't provide any names), where they're not there to see/know of/comment on it...


sure np....

[Tyr-Sog]

Muslim Council of Britain, said he had spoken to "jumpy and nervous" Muslims since the shooting.

Poor, poor muslims. The victims once again.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8655541/

[KerrAvon]

This was my thoughts...

As to his having run, looking at the FOX article it looks like they started following him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163291,00.html



Though it might sound like semantics, chase vs. follow don't connote the same action. There has been mention the officers were plain cloaths, so I'm not sure if he was running from the police per se... I'm still trying to piece together the specifics of what happened...

BTW, nrs421, I'm sorta having this discussion on 2 forums, and in the course of discussion you're comment



came up. Is that cool with ya? A little reticent to go mentioning what someone has said (though I didn't provide any names), where they're not there to see/know of/comment on it...

According to the link Tyr-Sog posted below, the police did talk to him and he refused to obey:

The man at the Stockwell subway station who was slain by officers at the Stockwell subway station around 10 a.m. "was challenged and refused to obey police instructions," Police Commissioner Ian Blair said. "This shooting is directly linked to the ongoing and expanding anti-terrorist operation."

In a situation like that, police officers are trained to do exactly that. If he had nothing to hide, if the police did identify themselves and order him to stop, why didn't he? Why run in the first place?

And while I can understand nrs421's point about people being racially harrassed, it stil doesn't completely excuse this. What's the first thing we learn as children? If people are harrassing you, or you feel threatened, or whatever, go to a figure of authority, or go where you feel safe. That doesn't mean take off helter-skelter.

Could the police have handled it better? Maybe. Should there have been uniformed officers there too? Maybe. But in a situation like this, you don't know what could happen. What if the guy was a bomber and had a weapon or bomb on him? The sight of uniformed police trailing him could have set him off.

The point is, if the police were after him, chasing him or not, and he had nothing to hide, why didn't he stop and let them talk to him? Why did they have to shoot him to stop him? If the police come to talk to me, I'm sure as hell not going to take off running from them.