View Full Version : R520=worst yields ever.
Acid Rain
07-22-05, 10:08 PM
Just a little tidbit, but if this is true, ATi really is gonna be smashed for a while.
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2487&s=1
ouch that hurts. ive been a pretty big nv fanboy since geforce1 sdr, but i was pulling for ati on this one. i guess they just bit of more then they could chew.
I think ATI is too busy with XBOX 360's GPU. With the release date so close. ATI has no time to spare on PC graphics. Many more people will buy Xbox 360 than a high end video card. Thus Xbox 360 is more profitable at the moment.
Once Xbox is confirmed for launch (an actual launch date is anounced), ATI will then focus on PC graphics again, and release a card faster than 7800 ultra. Then Nvida will unleash 8 series.
Acid Rain
07-22-05, 10:41 PM
I'm surprised that they didn't learn anything from the NV30 launch. The .15 process 9700Pro owned the late and flawed .13 NV30. They should have done the first 520s on their current process, like NV, while they got the .09 down. Interesting table turning here. ATi even had the advantage of watching NV try and fail in this already, so they could have benefitted greatly from NV's failure. Bah. I wish they'd just show us their card, or at least their burnt card box. *edit* I just noticed how odd that sentence sounded. I meant card as in "play their card/deck of cards, etc.", not graphics card. :rolleyes:
I want the party to get started!
I think ATI is too busy with XBOX 360's GPU. With the release date so close. ATI has no time to spare on PC graphics. Many more people will buy Xbox 360 than a high end video card. Thus Xbox 360 is more profitable at the moment.
Once Xbox is confirmed for launch (an actual launch date is anounced), ATI will then focus on PC graphics again, and release a card faster than 7800 ultra. Then Nvida will unleash 8 series.
ATI sold the licenses and blueprints of R500 to Microsoft so the R500 isn`t their problem any more. Maybe the rumors about bad yelds are just marketing :)
Very bad marketing btw...
Treason
07-23-05, 12:01 AM
ATI sold the licenses and blueprints of R500 to Microsoft so the R500 isn`t their problem any more. Maybe the rumors about bad yelds are just marketing :)
Very bad marketing btw...
nVidia marketing couldn't want better news than this. They can turn around and say, "Hey look. Our SM 3.0 technology is so advanced that our competition can't even replicate it in their "advanced technology" video cards in appreciable numbers. Meanwhile, we continue to mass-produce SM 3.0 video cards in high yields."
nVidia marketing couldn't want better news than this.
Maybe this is Nvidia marketing after all. :cool:
monkeydust
07-23-05, 08:11 AM
I just hope this translate into better sales for NVIDIA. They report earnings in a few weeks and I've got a lot riding on it.
A company prevailing on the other is not good news for us consumers. Basically it means monopoly, higher prices and no longer having the performance doubled every 18 months.
3% of fully working dies per wafer is an horrible yield. I've my doubts it's true, much less after three respins. Probably it's just FUD spreaded by the competition.
3% of fully working dies per waver is an horrible yield.
I have no doubt that the 24 pipelines R520's yield rate is in the single digits wherethou the 16 pipelines part will be somewhat below 50%.
Even 5% yield rate for the high-end part is not that bad because it's meant for the enthousiastic market. However 30-50% yield rate for the mainstream segment is rather low and ATI will no make any money with those cards in the first few months.
The R520 will be a 16 pipeline chip, I'm quite sure about that. It'll be fast, very fast nevertheless ;)
Intel17
07-24-05, 02:50 PM
Well, my 9800 pro is great, but after the R300 architecture, ATi haven't really innovated. Nvidia on the other hand is adding new capabilites, features and redesigning their architecture, making it the choice of gamers and game developers alike.
Nevertheless ATi was always fast enough to compete with Nvidia. I don't see any reason why that shouldn't be the case with this generation.
keith33
07-24-05, 05:13 PM
Brute force clock speeds to compete with ass kicking low heat architecture. Wow, where have I heard that one before (cough cough Intel)
AthlonXP1800
07-24-05, 10:49 PM
The R520 will be a 16 pipeline chip, I'm quite sure about that. It'll be fast, very fast nevertheless ;)
Well accord to Sherman (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33823522&page=1&pp=30) from Rage3D forum, ATI partner AIC received R520 samples clocked 500MHz, here will be no more R520 at 700MHz because of worst yield. Look like here will be no R520 XT PE this time, here will be 500MHz R520 XT with 24 pipelines and 400MHz R520 Pro with 16 pipelines, so these 2 chips wont be faster than G70 chips.
ChrisRay
07-24-05, 10:56 PM
Geforce 7 refresh will be 32 pipes @ 550 mhz. See? I said it on the forums so it must be true.
Geforce 7 refresh will be 32 pipes @ 550 mhz. See? I said it on the forums so it must be true.
omgz. chris is a genius :eek:
/me saves up right now.
Very succint ;)
Vagrant Zero
07-24-05, 11:04 PM
Stupid ATI. Now I may never get my 7800Ultra.
Son Goku
07-24-05, 11:06 PM
Does ATI want to remain on .15 micron, that's the real question. It might just not be feasible for them at this point depending on how complex the chip is gonna be, and how much heat it might generate.
Yeah, nVidia had problems with the transition, as ATI delayed. But ATI might have also hit a point where they need to transition now. We'll see when these puppies are out, what kind of cooling they need, and how hot they're running...
Well accord to Sherman (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33823522&page=1&pp=30) from Rage3D forum, ATI partner AIC received R520 samples clocked 500MHz, here will be no more R520 at 700MHz because of worst yield. Look like here will be no R520 XT PE this time, here will be 500MHz R520 XT with 24 pipelines and 400MHz R520 Pro with 16 pipelines, so these 2 chips wont be faster than G70 chips.
lol, ChrisRay's sarcasm is a nice response to this post. :cool:
Acid Rain
07-24-05, 11:47 PM
Brute force clock speeds to compete with ass kicking low heat architecture. Wow, where have I heard that one before (cough cough Intel)If it works out this way, it honestly does look like it's ATi's turn to spin out their "NV30".
Remember NV's leafblower cooler and high clocks for the 5800Ultra? Done to compete with ATi's 256bit bus? Didn't work, obviously. Just jacking up the clocks is rarely a practical strategy to compete with a superior architecture. (Another "cough..intel..cough...")
It appears that ATi has an awefull lot on it's plate this time. I sure hope they do compete, because I would like a 7900 this year :D
oldsk00l
07-25-05, 12:29 AM
Geforce 7 refresh will be 64 pipes @ 950 mhz. See? I said it on the forums so it must be true.
HOLY CRAP!!!
W0000T!!!!!!!
Yeah man, right the **** ON. SUCK IT DOWN ATI BITCHES, LOOK AT WHAT CHRISRAY SAID!!!!!!
:rolleyes:
Good point though, see, I quoted him on the forums, so it must just be really true :D
bkswaney
07-25-05, 01:23 AM
WOW... This is BAD news if it is true.
This could very well be a NV30 over again.
I will say this. Nvidia stated after the NV30
they would not underestimate ATI again.
That they would not make the NV30 mistake again.
So far they have hit home runs.
ATI should have not have made the jump to 9nm
with there highend part first.
ATI is going to have there hands full with
the 78xx line much like they did
with the 68xx line.
Nvidia is on a roll right now the way ati was with
the R300.
Vapor Trail
07-25-05, 08:23 AM
I'm starting to wonder how good ATI's drivers will be this time around. Even if it is marginally faster than the GTX, it won't be the better buy if the drivers aren't up to to the task.
I had a R8500 and a R9700 and the release drivers were really bad. They got better and better but I'm sure not many want a repeat of that.
If they are having this many problems with re-spins one has to wonder how much time they have had to tweak the drivers.
At least with the GTX you now what you are getting this time around.
Does ATI want to remain on .15 micron, that's the real question. It might just not be feasible for them at this point depending on how complex the chip is gonna be, and how much heat it might generate.
Yeah, nVidia had problems with the transition, as ATI delayed. But ATI might have also hit a point where they need to transition now. We'll see when these puppies are out, what kind of cooling they need, and how hot they're running...
Looks like someone's stuck in 2003. ;)
ATi now have .11 micron chips. They moved to .13nm a long time ago for the 9600 series.
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