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Darkmere
07-23-05, 03:43 PM
Hey Guys,

Noobie to this forum with a question I hope you can help with some advice.

I currently have a ti4600 , and looking to upgrade my card (rest of system: asrock k7s41 mobo with agp, no pcie, athlon 3200+, 1 gig ddr). I am looking at a 6200. I was thinking of a 6600, but I do not have any spare molex adaptors, couldnt even double them as they are all already doubled!). So, I am looking at a 6200, and heres my desires:

1) a 6200 agp card with no molex adaptor
2) a 6200 agp that doesn't have passive cooling (my system gets hot already despite several fans and a recently installed 3d rocket pro cpu cooler)
3) one that can preferably be unlocked

I liked the inno3d one, until I saw it had passive cooling (and tbh I'm not proficient enough to try changing the cooling and dont have a spare 3 pin socket anyway). I've seen the xpertvision agp cards, which by the available pics do seem to have a fan and also I could not see a molex socket...but that obviously doesnt mean there definitely isn't one. I then read that the xpertvision uses native agp...does this mean its not able to be unlocked?

Anyway guys, sorry to drone on, but I was hoping you could recommend a 6200 which fits my bill...if indeed one does even exist.

Also, how much of a performance hit could I get by going with a non-molex 6200 over a ti4600 on my system?

Thanks for any input any of you guys can give

jAkUp
07-23-05, 03:53 PM
I dont think 6600 vanilla cards require the molex connector.

But you know, the difference between a 6200 and a 4600 would probably not be worth the price. I would recommend a molex splitter, and a 6600GT. Hell, most of the cards come with a molex splitter, so you don't have to worry about needing a molex connector.

Ruined
07-23-05, 03:56 PM
merry xmas :p

ASUS 6600 128mb (8 pipelines) 128-bit mem bus AGP no molex + fan $122
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121197

rewt
07-23-05, 03:59 PM
It appears ASUS makes some 6600 without molex connectors. Check newegg.

I don't know how likely it is to find an unlockable 6200 these days. Somewhere I heard if you find one with 300MHz core it might be unlockable. But if you do get a 6200 make sure its got at least 128-bit memory. There are some slower 64-bit memory cards, cheaper probably but IMO you'd only be downgrading from your 4600.

anzak
07-23-05, 04:16 PM
merry xmas :p

ASUS 6600 128mb (8 pipelines) 128-bit mem bus AGP no molex + fan $122
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121197

Thats got a molex connecter. Look along the top part of the card.

I'd recommend this 256mb Chaintech 6600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814145112). Its cheaper than the Asus card and has more memory. I built a system for a friend to play WoW, 1280x1024 w/ 2xAA and 8xAF was very smooth. The molex issue isn't a problem as it comes with a splitter.

Darkmere
07-23-05, 04:34 PM
Thanks for the input guys...its very much appreciated!

Firstly, any card with a molex would really have to be out of the question. I couldnt even use a splitter as I have abo****ely no molex left...all have been already split and I have read there can be some issues with 6600s if you use a split molex (and since mine are all already split, it would be a double split so to speak and might cause some issues). I hope that makes sense and you know what I mean.

I don't want to spend money and then find that my cards gets all screwy after 30 mins of bf2!! lol.

I would indeed like a 6600 as here in the UK, they're almost as cheap as the 6200, but the molex worry is the biggest concern.

I have heard also that a 6200 would not give vast improvements over a 4600, so thanks also for confirming that.

I've not found any 6600s that don't have molex...what kind of performance drop would there be if it didnt have a molex?

I guess I may have to wait til I can afford to buy a new mobo setup and go the pcie route...but to be honest, its not worth while financially right now buying a new system just to play bf2 :p

Thanks again guys...any more input as ever is appreciated

Ruined
07-23-05, 05:47 PM
whoops didnt notice the molex.

here is a 6200 AGP with a fan but no molex:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814135165

more expensive than that 6600 tho at half the speed :/

anzak
07-23-05, 06:37 PM
whoops didnt notice the molex.

here is a 6200 AGP with a fan but no molex:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814135165

more expensive than that 6600 tho at half the speed :/

He would be better off going with a Radeon 9600XT. At 520mhz (overdrive) its quite a bit faster than the 4600.

EDIT: Well, not much faster. At least you would get SM2.0 support and be able to play Battlefield 2.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=12674&stc=1

Really that XP 3200+ and 1GB isn't bad. I had a XP 3000+, 512mb of memory, and a 6800GT and was able to play anything at 1600x1200 w/ AA and AF easy. I recommend you get a new PSU with a good number of molex connections and a vanilla 6800 if you can afford it.