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wrugoin
07-26-05, 08:54 PM
I'm starting to research for my next big computer upgrade and I'm deadset on sticking with AMD. For the longest time, I thought the only difference in A64s were that at first they came out in Socket 754, and then repaced by the better Socket 939 version. Now I find that within the 939 version there's at least 4 different "Code name" models. From Anandtech's July 2005 64bit CPU pricing:

AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Hammer
AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Newcastle
AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Venice
AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Winchester

I've deleted the prices and vendors....

Now I find 4 different versions of the 3500+ (939). Can someone explain to me the difference? Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks

Rytr
07-26-05, 10:04 PM
One difference is the Hammer and Newcastle are on the 130nm process and the Winchester and Venice are on the 90nm.

rewt
07-26-05, 10:11 PM
The Venice core has improved memory controller and supports new instruction sets like SSE3. Oh and BTW don't waste your money on the 3500+, as the 3000+ can easily surpass it (when overclocked).

jAkUp
07-26-05, 10:12 PM
Get the venice ;)

rewt
07-26-05, 10:21 PM
Oh and BTW don't waste your money on the 3500+, as the 3000+ can easily surpass it (when overclocked).

Unless you're like jAkUp and have lots of money to burn :p If you don't plan on overclocking then get the 3500+. From reviews I've read they both overclock about the same.

Riptide
07-26-05, 10:27 PM
The 3000+ is not a sure bet for surpassing a 3500+. I had one that didn't make it over 2.0GHz. It's a risk to assume that it will overclock well.

Get the venice.

Q
07-26-05, 10:35 PM
If you're doing 939 why don't you just hold off a little bit and wait for dual core to come down or for you to save some cash up. To spend a good chunk of cash now when in a few months you can get something much better wouldn't be the best use of the money. In your sig I see a Barton 3200. There isn't going to be THAT big of a difference with the upgrade.

If your set on getting that 3500 now...go Venice. However, if I were you I'd just set on that cash for a little longer and get a dual core later.


After looking at your specs again...I see that you're probably going to have to upgrade your video card too if your going PCI-E. If you're doing a whole system revamp I see why you would want a less costly processor.

Venice. =D

superklye
07-26-05, 10:52 PM
If you're doing 939 why don't you just hold off a little bit and wait for dual core to come down or for you to save some cash up. To spend a good chunk of cash now when in a few months you can get something much better wouldn't be the best use of the money. In your sig I see a Barton 3200. There isn't going to be THAT big of a difference with the upgrade.

If your set on getting that 3500 now...go Venice. However, if I were you I'd just set on that cash for a little longer and get a dual core later.


After looking at your specs again...I see that you're probably going to have to upgrade your video card too if your going PCI-E. If you're doing a whole system revamp I see why you would want a less costly processor.

Venice. =D
Meh...$146 for a Venice 3000+ isn't a big chunk of change. I say do it. I'm probably going to. :)

Banko
07-26-05, 11:09 PM
Meh...$146 for a Venice 3000+ isn't a big chunk of change. I say do it. I'm probably going to. :)
Actually on ewiz.com you can get a 3000+ Venice for $120. A month ago it was $117 shipped (where I got mine)

rewt
07-27-05, 02:01 AM
Thats OEM and probably doesn't include the HSF. According to resellerratings.com, ewiz.com's returns/replacements are not nearly as good as newegg's.

macatak
07-27-05, 03:52 AM
According to this chart there are five different 3500+ CPUs
http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/Default.aspx
PIC (http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8958/cpu8os.jpg)

superklye
07-27-05, 07:13 AM
Thats OEM and probably doesn't include the HSF. According to resellerratings.com, ewiz.com's returns/replacements are not nearly as good as newegg's.
Yeah, while NewEgg is often overpriced, I'll gladly take the extra money for the assurance that they have an awesome RMA process, they are easy to deal with, and they ship FAST.

Lfctony
07-27-05, 08:26 AM
Venice cores, get the 3200 though, better o/c chances.

macatak
07-27-05, 08:38 AM
Also in Q2'06 we'll see the 3500+ Orleans :)

ps, here's another chart (http://www.a1-electronics.net/AMD_Section/CPUs/2005/CPU_AMD-guide_pg2.shtml) that shows six 3500+ CPus

jAkUp
07-27-05, 11:22 AM
Unless you're like jAkUp and have lots of money to burn :p If you don't plan on overclocking then get the 3500+. From reviews I've read they both overclock about the same.

I wish I had alot of money :) My video cards cost me over a months work :eek:

Mith192
07-27-05, 12:48 PM
There 6 because there is also a 3500+ 1MB San Diego