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Rogozhin
07-26-05, 10:21 PM
Hey Fellas

I'm putting together 12 rigs for our gaming cafe and would like to know what card you'd think would work well.

Basic outline for systems:

Athlon 64 3400+winchester
1 gig of pc3700
asus board (pcie) (don't remember model)
120 gig sata
integrated soundcard
other items not important


We're going to be playing most new games and some older ones and I want a card that is around $280-$320 that will give the gamers decent playabilit (not ultra high res-and minimal amounts of aa and af) in all the newest games..

Thanks fellas-and ask away about specs and software if you have any questions.

Z

sandeep
07-26-05, 10:26 PM
Change your CPU to sempron or something. Save money there and perhaps put in a 6600GT. Cheap Ram and 60Gig Hard Drive.

Clay
07-26-05, 10:29 PM
The 6800GT is currently in the upper part of your price range (some on Newegg have $50 rebates taking them down to ~$300...might have qty limit though). That is what I would recommend.

Rogozhin
07-26-05, 10:36 PM
I think that a higher end proc would be more beneficial but the HD and memory is a good suggestion-thanks sandeep.

Clay-I've been looking at the 6800GT-just wonder how long before I'll have to update the cards.

Rogo

keith33
07-26-05, 10:37 PM
The 6800GT is currently in the upper part of your price range (some on Newegg have $50 rebates taking them down to ~$300...might have qty limit though). That is what I would recommend.

I agree with Clay, it's the best bang for the buck high end card out right now. My local gaming cafe uses 6800 vanillas and even they can max most games at lower resolutions. And they use P4 3.0ghz, you should be able to hit 1600x1200 maxed out with low AA and AF in everything except BF2.

You won't have to change it for at least 1 and a half years. Or you could wait for a lower end 7800 part to come out.

Rogozhin
07-26-05, 10:44 PM
That's what I was thinking too Keith-I've just not upgraded my home rig for some time and haven't used a Nvidia card since the G4ti4600.

I've been an ati user for a long time but I think it's about time I take a leep into the abyss. :D

Thanks
Rogo

keith33
07-26-05, 10:59 PM
You'll find Nvidia drivers much easier to work with, and I'm sure that's important when working with so many computers at once. Also the profiles in the drivers will allow you to choose optimal settings for each game on each workstation before a user logs on. For your upgrading path, try talking to eVGA about getting an extended Step-Up program because you're buying so many of them at once. It might be worth it. Good Luck!

Clay
07-26-05, 11:00 PM
I would agree with keith33 on the lifetime you could estimate for the 6800GT considering the gaming needs you specified...18 months or so should be fairly realistic. There will obviously be cutting edge games at that time that may exceed the capabilites of the card by then but probably not too many.

Rogozhin
07-26-05, 11:48 PM
Thanks Keith and Clay!

I'll be contacting EVGA here soon. Is the step-up program their upgrade program? I am thinking I might want to pursue an agent dealership with them because we'll be running a pc store alongside the cafe and cellular shop.

18months would be perfect-you guys are great thanks for all the suggestions.

Rogo

jAkUp
07-26-05, 11:58 PM
Definetely a 6800GT :)

Rogozhin
07-27-05, 12:03 AM
Thanks Jakup-I'm pretty sure I'll go that route!

Rogo

tristancarton
07-27-05, 12:10 AM
just wanted to bop in and say those are killer rigs for a gaming cafe. wish we had something like that around where i live. an a64 and 6800gt will last you quite a while.

Rogozhin
07-27-05, 12:25 AM
tristancarton

Thanks man-we're using the cafe as a filler for the building and there isn't a gaming cafe within a 150 mile radius of where we are (though the town is rather small).

We're hoping it takes off and will be charging relatively low rates.

And i know it beats the hell out of the gaming/internet cafe in downtown St.Petersburg Russia!

Rogo

anzak
07-27-05, 01:12 AM
Well leave it to me to disagree with everyone. I say the X800XL. It performs on par with the 6800GT and cost less. The X800XL also runs cooler which is always a good thing for PCs that will get extensive use.

Asus X800XL @ Newegg - $280 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121530

Leadtek 6800GT @ Newegg - $319 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122209

Thats a $39 difference so multiply that by 12 and you have $468.

tristancarton
07-27-05, 01:47 AM
sm 3.0 may not be important right now but it will be in the future. i agree that the x800xl is prob a better card right now but he wants/needs cards that will last a long time. due to no 3.0, i think this cuts out most of the 9800/x800 ati line.

don't get me wrong when i say pick the 6800gt. my bets are the x800xl will still run games 18 months from now however the 6800s may run them better and that is why he should stay with a 6600/6800 based card.

I say the X800XL. It performs on par with the 6800GT and cost less. The X800XL also runs cooler which is always a good thing for PCs that will get extensive use.

jAkUp
07-27-05, 02:49 AM
Yea, if its a lan cafe, it will probably be there for a long time.

wshadow
07-27-05, 02:55 AM
6800gt
80gb hdd
1gig ram (3200)
dvdrom
basic motherboard
basic case
3200+ a64 :)

anzak
07-27-05, 02:57 AM
sm 3.0 may not be important right now but it will be in the future. i agree that the x800xl is prob a better card right now but he wants/needs cards that will last a long time. due to no 3.0, i think this cuts out most of the 9800/x800 ati line.

To be honest, I doubt that the NV40 will be able to handel the SM3.0 only effects we will be seeing in future games. The SM3.0 support is useless if the card isn't fast enough to take advantage of those features. HDR already takes fps down to nearly unplayable levels even at low resolution.

If you want future proof (18+ months) go all the way with the 7800GTX
If you want a card to last lets say, 12 months go with the X800XL

Downside
07-27-05, 09:42 AM
Between the x800xl and 6800gt, I'd look at whatever one made the least noise.

Having a bunch of computers all sitting in an open space within a few feet from each other, your going to need to worry about noise.

I've never heard the x800xl, but I can tell you that I wouldn't want 16 of my 6800gt's running the same room with stock cooling, one is definently enough.

The few fps difference between the two cards are really nothing to worry about. And I agree, worrying about shader 3.0 support is a bit of a non-issue.

ricercar
07-27-05, 12:51 PM
I think it's about time I take a leep into the abyss.
Didn't Neitzche warn, "Peer into the abyss and the abyss peers into you..."

I agree the 6800 GT should be a decent performer within your constraints.

sandeep
07-27-05, 01:16 PM
I think that a higher end proc would be more beneficial but the HD and memory is a good suggestion-thanks sandeep.
Rogo

Well, since there is no gaming cafe within 150 Miles you could take advantge of it from a business point of view.

I will not recommend such expensive CPU mate. Honestly, for gaming purpose, even a AMD Sempron 2.2Ghz which cost $70 will do a good job. All gamers want is atleast 30fps, and games are more graphics bound. Who cares about getting 130 fps with AMD 64 3700 when a Sempron 2.2Ghz will cut it easily.

Find out the prices between 6800GT and 6600 GT and decide yourself. You might make more profit with 6600GT. Those(6600GT) Graphcis card can run 1024*768 easily. By next year, even if you decide to sell the 6600GT for newer mid range cards, your economical(depreciation) loss might not be that huge compared to 6800GT.

Cheers
P.S Also consider when Longhorn releases, there will be new requirements. You don't wanna regret while going on an expensive route. Next year games based on Unreal 3 engine will use Dual Core processors, so AMD 64 3700 will be a bit of gamble when it comes to longivity.

rohit
07-27-05, 03:49 PM
Get a a64 3000+ newcastle.
msi mobo with ati rs480 chipset with integrated x300. (its very cheap)
512mb or 1gb of ddr.
since no asx and aa, 6600GT cheap & fast with 1280x1024 res. (makes more sense, get a midrange cheap gf 7 or r5xx series after a while, when required).

*people come to cafes and wanna play multiplayers. this will require more ram so 1gb is recomended. in multiplayers like source, hl2 deathmatch, aa, or asf doesnt matter, people want speed. 6600gt will keep the fps count to 60. thats wat matters.
Most of the cafe's here have the above config.

anzak
07-27-05, 04:10 PM
I was board so I did a little research on price/performance parts. If I were building the computers this is what I'd use.

MSI K8N NEO3-F (S754 PCIe) - $72
Athlon 64 2800+ - $122
CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB - $82
Gigabyte Radeon X800 256MB - $196 (before $30 mail-in rebate)

The Neo3 is a S754 nForce 4 board.
The 2800+ has quite a bit more cache than the sempron line and doesn't cost much more.
I'm using this ram. It's stable and cheap.
What makes this 12 pipe X800 so special is that its passively cooled which would greatly reduce the noise with 12 computres. It's also quite a bit faster than the 6600GT and only cost a little more.

I got all the prices from newegg.

rohit
07-27-05, 05:58 PM
MSI K8N NEO3-F (S754 PCIe) - $72
Athlon 64 2800+ - $122
CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB - $82
Gigabyte Radeon X800 256MB - $196 (before $30 mail-in rebate)

The Neo3 is a S754 nForce 4 board.
I thought of this neo3 board of msi, but then ruled out the mobo, coz its s754.
the future looks more of s939 products. suppose after a year, if he needs to change to dual-core, or faster cpu. s939 has wider options to s754.
so check this out http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130485 for $78.00

and yes x800 looks good. but then again its $200 (almost), and 6600GT is $130bux http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122206R leadtek 6600gt OEM.
so if he saves 40-50 bux per card, 50x12=600 bux. so IMO, get a 6600GT now, and upgrade to another mid-range card next year.

Rogozhin
07-27-05, 06:44 PM
Damn fellas-thanks for all the feedback!

My impressions are a bit varied but I'm thinking I will tone down the cpu (but I'm gonna stick with a 939 chipset, will consider MSI since I'm using the K8TNEO F2 right now) and maybe go with the x800xl-but I'm really itching for a change.

SM3.0 isn't going to mean much from what I've read (at least in the next 14 months).

We're also going to put in two 52 inch cheap RPTVs, four 32# CRTs and six xbox 360s when they are available in november (preordered). We have plenty of room! We're still figuring out how to charge for the 360 lounge but we think it's going to rock! Also have about $15000 into the sound systems for the rptvs and 360s, doing a hometheater buisness out the side.

Was wondering if any of you fellas have come across a gaming cafe/console cafe with fairly high end audio/visual and how much you had to pay per hour.

I am incontact with a few of the big cafes in sanfran and seattle but they don't deal with what we are.

I'm steering towards the 6800gt and x800xl

Thanks fellas.

Rogo