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mario64
07-27-05, 02:18 PM
I have a perfectly good P4 3.4GHz system with an ATI X800XT: PE. My original plan was to go with ATI again this round since they are the only one releasing an AGP part. But seeing as how R520 is now slated for *possible* Sept release I'm considering going with a 7800GTX and a new AMD-based system.

So...my question is which AMD cpu will give me performance equal to or better than my current system? I do not want to lose performance. I'm thinking of a Venice core A64 with an nforce 4 board but which one? :-)

Thanks,
Mario64

Absolution
07-27-05, 03:29 PM
how much money are you willing to spend?

dfi amd msi nforce4 in my experience are both excellent (epox asus and a few others are also good)

superklye
07-27-05, 04:08 PM
Get a 3000+ Venice core and OC it as though your life depended on it.

Banko
07-27-05, 04:22 PM
Well a 3200+ will outperform your P4 in games, but video encoding wise your P4 will be faster. So it really depends on what is more important to you. If its games I would just get either a 3000+, 3200+ Venice and overclock them.

Riptide
07-27-05, 04:39 PM
Since overclocking is always a crap shoot I wouldn't bank on it. Chances are good you'll be able to overclock but it's not a guarantee. IMO the 3200+ (@ stock) will not significantly outperform the 3.4GHz in games, at least not noticeably anyway. If anyone disagrees show me the benchmarks/reviews please. The 3500+ would maybe be a better choice if you really want a bit of a boost out of this.

Regarding the motherboard the DFI NF4 seems real popular.

mario64
07-27-05, 04:45 PM
Thanks all. My goal is to make the switchout using the least amount of $$$ while maintaining (hopefully gaining) performance -- especially given that the GTX will cost a lot by itself. :-)

Mario64

Riptide
07-27-05, 04:52 PM
I saw a 7800GTX for $475 today. Dell has it right now for that price.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=932663
know the Dell Home offer really torqued a lot of people off with delivery issues, but if anybody wants to try to get the card from Dell again...

The Dell Small Business site has the card for 20% off of $667 = $533.60

Toss in this $60 coupon = X4XF13ZVZ$RX48

$473.60 + tax, tags, and doc fees (where applicable).

I mocked up an order and it even gave me free next-day shipping. (Didn't order it because my box ain't ready for this jelly.)

ViN86
07-27-05, 04:59 PM
3200+ venice is the way to go imo. i have a winchester (also 90nm process) and it OC's like a dream. i can hit 2.5GHz+ (havent tested its full potential yet)

as was said before though, it wont beat the encoding performace intel offers. for gaming however, its a very nice chip :D

keith33
07-27-05, 05:57 PM
You should seriously get at least a 3700+ SD if you want to FEEL the performance difference. You can't count on chips to just overclock out of the box because you're f*ked if they don't oc well. Personally, I wouldn't make the switch until you could afford either a dually X2 or a San Diego 4000+ but that's just me, I don't upgrade unless I can notice it.

Gator
07-28-05, 12:32 PM
I got this bench from Tom's or Anand not long ago. Comes in handy for just such a thread ;)

http://www.jcoolradio.com/ut/a64bench.png

Dudes__Geof_
07-28-05, 12:33 PM
I suggest, just the same as some others, a 3200+, a venice would probably be a better choice over the winchester

personally i have a winchester 3000+ and its hitting speeds of 2.3 from 1.8ghz stable and I know it can go even more (up to about 2.6ghz ~)

with my 3000+ running at 2.2ghz with 1024mb of ddr400 ram I've been able to beat Intel 3.2ghz's (and even running up to 3.6ghz overclocked)..

you can always save some money by getting a 3000+ instead of a 3200+ because both have just about the same potential for overclocking as the other, imo

PaiN
07-28-05, 12:49 PM
I really have tried not to chime in.......but I can't
mario, I did what your about to do and will regret it for a long time, maybe forever
I upgraded from a 3.2EE \ AGP 6800GT to a A64 setup.....I opened a can of worms that cost me months of fustration, aggrivation and untold dollars.
I am happy with this setup...but not what I went through to get it. Your current P4 \ X800XT will be more than enough to play any games coming out through "06".
Then you might start to consider a major platorm change.....that will be a noticable performance upgrade.
just mo

Gator
07-28-05, 12:52 PM
I really have tried not to chime in.......but I can't
mario, I did what your about to do and will regret it for a long time, maybe forever
I upgraded from a 3.2EE \ AGP 6800GT to a A64 setup.....I opened a can of worms that cost me months of fustration, aggrivation and untold dollars.
I am happy with this setup...but not what I went through to get it. Your current P4 \ X800XT will be more than enough to play any games coming out through "06".
Then you might start to consider a major platorm change.....that will be a noticable performance upgrade.
just mo

PaiN makes a good point. A64 is great, but your P4 3.4ghz is certainly not slow. Maybe you should hold off for awhile. The only way A64 really seems worth it for you is if you do a HUGE leap, like an A64 X2 4800 or FX57... or if you are lucky enough to overclock the hell out of a Venice.

Riptide
07-28-05, 01:01 PM
I agree w/PaiN as well.

Another thing worth noting here if it hasn't been already... Most games are not CPU limited if you play in reasonably high resolutions. 1600x1200 and higher are becoming more common than ever before and at those resolutions your video card is more likely to hold you back than your CPU. If you have a nice display this is something to consider.

anzak
07-28-05, 01:49 PM
I suggest, just the same as some others, a 3200+, a venice would probably be a better choice over the winchester

personally i have a winchester 3000+ and its hitting speeds of 2.3 from 1.8ghz stable and I know it can go even more (up to about 2.6ghz ~)

with my 3000+ running at 2.2ghz with 1024mb of ddr400 ram I've been able to beat Intel 3.2ghz's (and even running up to 3.6ghz overclocked)..

you can always save some money by getting a 3000+ instead of a 3200+ because both have just about the same potential for overclocking as the other, imo

:eek: Please make your sig smaller! It almost fills up my entire browser at 1280x960!

Dudes__Geof_
07-28-05, 01:54 PM
sorry about that, i just looked at it and was like holy crap...the sizing in this is diff than phpbb apparently O_o (which i am use to....)

zoomy942
07-28-05, 01:56 PM
PaiN makes a good point. A64 is great, but your P4 3.4ghz is certainly not slow. Maybe you should hold off for awhile. The only way A64 really seems worth it for you is if you do a HUGE leap, like an A64 X2 4800 or FX57... or if you are lucky enough to overclock the hell out of a Venice.


agreed. unless you get an "uber-pc" you are doing pretty damn well as you are. sure, you may get a 4% boost here 9% boost there, but like Gator said, it wont be worth the hassle.

tristancarton
07-28-05, 02:12 PM
add another to the list. wait for an agp 7800 or agp r520 to come out. one or both of the companies is bound to support us old school kids.

Dudes__Geof_
07-28-05, 02:39 PM
yeah, I'd suggest wait until end of next year until all the new goodies should have come out, and prices might have dropped

unless you're doing along the lines of what i did, intel celeron 1.8ghz to amd 3000+, don't get anything yet

mario64
07-29-05, 10:28 AM
Thanks again everyone for your input. I've come across another option that would only cost me $92. What do you think of this?

http://www.albatron.com.tw/english/it/mb/specification.asp?pro_id=148#

Mario64

Gator
07-29-05, 12:13 PM
Thanks again everyone for your input. I've come across another option that would only cost me $92. What do you think of this?

http://www.albatron.com.tw/english/it/mb/specification.asp?pro_id=148#

Mario64

Well here's the thing, sure it's only $92 but you'll be investing money into an older technology. It'll resolve your need for PCIE, but when you want a faster CPU in the future you'll be out of luck. At 3.4ghz, you probably already own one of the fastest available S478 CPU's available. Just remember that when you're ready for a faster CPU, you'll have to do the motherboard as well. If this is aceptable for you, then go for it. Also you may be able to sell your current motherboard on ebay and make most of the cash back :)

Personally... I would sooner wait and pray for a GF7 AGP version. I'm sure SOMEBODY will make one before the end of the year ;)

zoomy942
07-29-05, 12:48 PM
what i did was bite the bullet.

i had a nice pc already wtih a 3500+ and a 6800gt. i decided to switch over to pcie and sell my mobo and video card. i got 2 6600gt's and sli'ed them, but this is the same performace i had before. i only switched cause i will get pice cards from now on. my games run the same, but i wanted to future-proof myself.

if you are gonna switch, do it for future upgrades, not for better performance now.

Marcos
07-29-05, 01:11 PM
my question is: Why do you feel the need to upgrade?

mario64
07-29-05, 05:40 PM
my question is: Why do you feel the need to upgrade?
Answer: SM 3.0. I did without it last round. Not going to this time. Be it ATI or nVidia I want SM 3.0! :-)

Mario64

Dudes__Geof_
07-29-05, 06:15 PM
Best bet right now is nvidia, if you actually are going to get a motherboard and video card, but, by next year ATI will have probably gotten better video cards that are more worth it than nvidia, just a guess though..