So it was the liberals who commited voter fraud

[UDawg]

http://www.ac4vr.com/reports/072005/default.html

The truth comes out and liberals still suck

[Ninjaman09]

Damn I didn't realize how widespread it was. Yeesh, kinda scary. :eek:

However in many cases, it was fellow Democrats who reported the incidents, so you can't call them all bad, just Kerry's campaign staff and the guys they paid off. Still those guys totally suck.

[joltcola]

http://www.ac4vr.com/reports/072005/default.html

The truth comes out and liberals still suck

Other than alligations being thrown in both directions, I'm not sure how that page shows that a specific group comitted voter fraud, or where. I'm not sure where you get the idea there was a huge liberal movement to comit fraud. That website shows various issues brought up during the election day by Republicanss & Democrats.

Not to say that it was without incident. I've seen various reports and documentaries detailing various boarderline actions on both sides.

-- jolt

[oldsk00l]

Other than alligations being thrown in both directions, I'm not sure how that page shows that a specific group comitted voter fraud, or where. I'm not sure where you get the idea there was a huge liberal movement to comit fraud. That website shows various issues brought up during the election day by Republicanss & Democrats.

Not to say that it was without incident. I've seen various reports and documentaries detailing various boarderline actions on both sides.

-- jolt

Liberals still suck though.

[Acid Rain]

Liberals still suck though.A'cause my daddy said so. "Son, never trust a liberal. They is anti-Amerkan. They may live here, and they may want the same things you do, but hate them anyway, a'cause I said so. Remember that, boy, or I'll beat you silly."

Everybody tries to dig up dirt on the other side. If this forum had mostly liberal members, you'd see the same kind of whining about Republicans. The exact same kind of daily whining. I'm tired of it. We're all in the same boat, and we all just want to be happy. The enemy is elsewhere. Not here.

At least, that's the way I see it. There you have it. My weekly P&R dropoff.

[UDawg]

Other than alligations being thrown in both directions, I'm not sure how that page shows that a specific group comitted voter fraud, or where. I'm not sure where you get the idea there was a huge liberal movement to comit fraud. That website shows various issues brought up during the election day by Republicanss & Democrats.

Not to say that it was without incident. I've seen various reports and documentaries detailing various boarderline actions on both sides.

-- jolt
You didn't go into it that much did you. They show in their report actual cases of fraud and abuse. Democrats committed most of them. It doesn't deal with one single alligation. It deals with facts and court cases. LOL

[joltcola]

You didn't go into it that much did you. They show in their report actual cases of fraud and abuse. Democrats committed most of them. It doesn't deal with one single alligation. It deals with facts and court cases. LOL

Yes, I did read it. Again, most of it is about alligations being thrown out, and court decisions being over turned on the issue of people standing outside of voting locations for whatever reasons. If you're talking about stupid kids slashing tires, I don't see how that is an indication of wide spread fraud and abuse. And I don't see how that has to do with liberals at all. Its voting day bull****, the same as it all ways been. Welcome to America.

-- jolt

[Saint Lucifer]

Yeah, really. As a liberal, the only voter fraud I was involved with was summoning the dead to vote for me.

...They all voted for Herbert Hoover, though. I should have known better - he promised them all the brains and flesh they could feast upon if he won.

[UDawg]

Yes, I did read it. Again, most of it is about alligations being thrown out, and court decisions being over turned on the issue of people standing outside of voting locations for whatever reasons. If you're talking about stupid kids slashing tires, I don't see how that is an indication of wide spread fraud and abuse. And I don't see how that has to do with liberals at all. Its voting day bull****, the same as it all ways been. Welcome to America.

-- jolt
Well, at least you have your head in a nice little hole in the sand. ; )

http://www.ac4vr.com/reports/072005/indexofexhibits.html
Read the exibits with the PDF files.

[joltcola]

Well, at least you have your head in a nice little hole in the sand. ; )

http://www.ac4vr.com/reports/072005/indexofexhibits.html
Read the exibits with the PDF files.

Once again, there are alligations on both sides on a legal level between groups identified as supporters of, or direct representatives of Republican or Democratic parties. There is no indication of a wide spread "liberal" attempt at creating an unfair voting outcome. The reports, and the "evidence" show isolated incidents involving both sides. If you wanna get all hyped up about fraud/abuse, go take a look at this (http://www.ac4vr.com/reports/072005/exhibitO.pdf) one. Where it seems the Republican party in the area was trying to prohibit examination of the ballets after counting, covering up for suspected fraud.

-- jolt

[oldsk00l]

Once again, there are alligations on both sides on a legal level between groups identified as supporters of, or direct representatives of Republican or Democratic parties. There is no indication of a wide spread "liberal" attempt at creating an unfair voting outcome. The reports, and the "evidence" show isolated incidents involving both sides. If you wanna get all hyped up about fraud/abuse, go take a look at this (http://www.ac4vr.com/reports/072005/exhibitO.pdf) one. Where it seems the Republican party in the area was trying to prohibit examination of the ballets after counting, covering up for suspected fraud.

-- jolt

umm

"allegations"
?????
those are exhibits of evidence, and the liberal offenses are pretty damned significant, moreso than the repub's...

[joltcola]

umm

"allegations"
?????
those are exhibits of evidence, and the liberal offenses are pretty damned significant, moreso than the repub's...

Take a look at the overview, and the reports on the cases. Many were thrown out by court because of a lack of evidence. Also, most of these reports do not seem to cover the majority of cases that are brought up in court. These seem to be covering only certain areas. To say that the democrats did all this evil through out the election is exagerating ,and digging for the chance to point fingers. To say that the democrates did more wrong than the republicans, and that is okay, is missing the point. The fact that such practicies are occuring at all is tradgic. The idea behind such measures is old rooted within american politics and it something that needs to be expired. People need to get off this "my party is better than your party" or "your ideology is stupid and mine is the best" trip. Wake up and realise that our own political system as it stands is apart of the problem.

-- jolt

[UDawg]

Take a look at the overview, and the reports on the cases. Many were thrown out by court because of a lack of evidence. Also, most of these reports do not seem to cover the majority of cases that are brought up in court. These seem to be covering only certain areas. To say that the democrats did all this evil through out the election is exagerating ,and digging for the chance to point fingers. To say that the democrates did more wrong than the republicans, and that is okay, is missing the point. The fact that such practicies are occuring at all is tradgic. The idea behind such measures is old rooted within american politics and it something that needs to be expired. People need to get off this "my party is better than your party" or "your ideology is stupid and mine is the best" trip. Wake up and realise that our own political system as it stands is apart of the problem.

-- jolt
This isn't finger pionting and it isn't allegations. It shows the facts. Of the 4 worst states 3 were blue states 2 were red. You also have the Kerry campaign involved in voter suppression. This whole study does clearly state what was fact and what was allegation. You will also note that many of the allegations were made by democrats and then were thrown out.

The group is non-bias. The two directors are one a Republican and the other a Democrat who worked for the DNC. You are really trying your hardest to soften this with nothing more than nonsence. Facts are stubborn things.

No one is saying that republicans where angels but what we are saying is that just as this report shows, it was the democrats who perpitrated more of the voter fraud. Look what the democrats did in Seattle alone. You are making the argument that because there were some Republicans who did some fraud that it some how equals out.

You will also note that it was DNC operatives who slashed tires at a republican office. It was the supporters of the dems who were also violent by shooting out windows of republican offices ect.

[joltcola]

You are making the argument that because there were some Republicans who did some fraud that it some how equals out.

Maybe you missed something...

To say that the democrates did more wrong than the republicans, and that is okay, is missing the point. The fact that such practicies are occuring at all is tradgic. The idea behind such measures is old rooted within american politics and it something that needs to be expired. People need to get off this "my party is better than your party" or "your ideology is stupid and mine is the best" trip. Wake up and realise that our own political system as it stands is apart of the problem.

I'm not defending democrats necessarily, but I am shooting down the idea that there was some huge "liberal" front of voter fraud. And that this is all a one sideded situation brought on by democrats. Like I said, politics are ugly, and it becomes a fierce stand off. To have an election process that involves threats and people feeling like they have to protect themselves by packing a gun is defeating to the principals that we think this country is grounded on.

-- jolt

[Ninjaman09]

I'm not defending democrats necessarily, but I am shooting down the idea that there was some huge "liberal" front of voter fraud. And that this is all a one sideded situation brought on by democrats. Like I said, politics are ugly, and it becomes a fierce stand off. To have an election process that involves threats and people feeling like they have to protect themselves by packing a gun is defeating to the principals that we think this country is grounded on.

-- jot
Dude the report was pretty clear. Accusations from Democrats against Republicans turned out to have no evidence or basis. Accusations against Democrats ended up in arrests and there was tons of evidence against them. It's pretty clear that Kerry's campaign involved a lot of tampering and fraud.

[Demigod]

I must say I find all this most amusing. On the one hand we have the largest "Democracy" in the world with some of the largest reports of vote fraud, on both sides, and second that the so called librals of america are still more conservative and right wing than most parties in europe.

Isnt J Carter chairing a commision or somthing to invertigate ve reform in the US?

[evilchris]

Jimmy Carter is an idiot and was the worst President in US history. He oversaw the birth of modern terrorism with his wimpy policies.

[UDawg]

Dude the report was pretty clear. Accusations from Democrats against Republicans turned out to have no evidence or basis. Accusations against Democrats ended up in arrests and there was tons of evidence against them. It's pretty clear that Kerry's campaign involved a lot of tampering and fraud.
Exactly. I sat down last night and read a bunch of the PDF files. This is nothing new. The dems have always committed voter fraud far far more than republicans. Shoot, in Seattle alone we had more people voting than there were registered voters by a good margin.

[Ninjaman09]

Exactly. I sat down last night and read a bunch of the PDF files. This is nothing new. The dems have always committed voter fraud far far more than republicans. Shoot, in Seattle alone we had more people voting than there were registered voters by a good margin.
Oooh, like in Black Sheep. :D

[joltcola]

Dude the report was pretty clear. Accusations from Democrats against Republicans turned out to have no evidence or basis. Accusations against Democrats ended up in arrests and there was tons of evidence against them. It's pretty clear that Kerry's campaign involved a lot of tampering and fraud.

Voter Fraud Charges Out West (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/14/politics/main649380.shtml)

a "glitch" in voting machines... (http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/983)


Oh yeah and..

Monday's testimony to a U.S. House Committee by Mark F. (Thor) Hearne, the leader of the American Center for Voting Rights (ACVR) -- who also happens to be the National Counsel for Bush/Cheney '04, Inc. -- has just been added to the website of the "non-partisan", tax-exempt, one-week old "Voting Rights" group.

In his testimony, Hearne failed to mention to the U.S. House members, either his connection to Bush/Cheney or his long roots in the Republican party going back to the Reagan Administration. The testimony was given last Monday to the U.S. House Administration Committee at hearings held on the Ohio Election problems. The hearings to which Hearne was invited were held just 3 business days after the ACVR suddenly appeared for the first time on the Internet...or anywhere else that we've been able to find.


After recently reporting that the newly-formed, tax-exempt, "non-partisan", "voters rights" group, calling themselves the ACVR, is apparently little more than a GOP front group run by Dyke (the 2004 Communications Director for the Republican National Committee), Mark F. (Thor) Hearne, II (the National General Counsel for Bush/Cheney '04 Inc.) and others, we sought to learn more about them.


So, is this really a non-partisian group? Is there a liberal conspiracy to comit voter fraud? Do we actually know what is going on in Washington D.C.? Do we know what is going on in our own country?

-- jolt

[UDawg]

Voter Fraud Charges Out West (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/14/politics/main649380.shtml)

a "glitch" in voting machines... (http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/983)


Oh yeah and..







So, is this really a non-partisian group? Is there a liberal conspiracy to comit voter fraud? Do we actually know what is going on in Washington D.C.? Do we know what is going on in our own country?

-- jolt
Yes it is non-partisan. I just told you who were the directors. Why would the democrat let the republican cheat on this? You are reaching so far it is sad.
Now you are broadening the argument to what is going on in DC. LOL This argument was old in the beginning. Especially since you linked to CBS. That was a brilliant stroke. Fake documents anyone? LOL.

The really pathetic thing is that he was on the radio and said he worked for republicans before. He was up front. The only thing you have is that he "failed" to mention. He NEVER HIDE it. That is what is so pathetic about what you are trying to do. I said he was a republican and that the other director was a DEMOCRAT! who worked for the DNC. Did you miss that? That is why this is a good non-partisan group. They have a Republican and Democrat director. They even higher democrat and republican workers to insure that the group will be fairly mixed. I guess if you can't move the facts then distroy the messenger.

You are really turning into a Zak or Drumphill here. Next time use a bigger shot gun to scatter your argument around a little further.

[Ninjaman09]

So, is this really a non-partisian group? Is there a liberal conspiracy to comit voter fraud?

-- jolt
No but it seems obviously that Kerry's campaign staff were involved in some pretty sordid affairs. As I said it was Democrats that exposed the wrongdoers so it isn't really fair to blame all of them for it. Just the ones involved.

[CybrSage]

So, is this really a non-partisian group? Is there a liberal conspiracy to comit voter fraud? Do we actually know what is going on in Washington D.C.? Do we know what is going on in our own country?

-- jolt

I will not believe it is true unless moveon.org says so. That group is the only truely non-partisan group out there.

[Acid Rain]

The hell with the topic. You guys never get anywhere with the con vs lib crap anyway:fu:. This seems like the perfect place to end this soon to be worthless thread, before it gets out of hand. This is for you, homey UDawg!:p

Shoot, in Seattle alone we had more people voting than there were registered voters by a good margin.Ah! I finally understand where you get your fiery attitude! Traffic. Worked there for years. Just trying to get to work or home in that place is infuriating. Daily. Everybody panics and slams the brakes if it rains, if it's too sunny or if someone got pulled over, not to mention their extreme phobia of tunnels and bridges. I went through an awefull lot of brake pads and a clutch in the twin turbo 300ZX I had at the time. Having a car like that makes a person even angrier with the incapable drivers.

An unattentive mini-van mom would spot a "scary" butterfly or something and slam the brakes as she tried to also chat on a cel-phone, read a magazine, discipline her bratty kids and drink her Starbucks, then I-5/405 would get backed up for hours for thousands of terrified "people".

Bah, I geuss it wouldn't hurt to be a little on topic, so here goes: They are probably all libs....and..cons...and they all probably...errr..probably all wanted to commit voter fraud..or something...

What a load of wimps. UDawg, you can officially be as big a jerk as you like.:) I totally understand now.

[DiscipleDOC]

The hell with the topic. You guys never get anywhere with the con vs lib crap anyway:fu:. This seems like the perfect place to end this soon to be worthless thread, before it gets out of hand. This is for you, homey UDawg!:p

Ah! I finally understand where you get your fiery attitude! Traffic. Worked there for years. Just trying to get to work or home in that place is infuriating. Daily. Everybody panics and slams the brakes if it rains, if it's too sunny or if someone got pulled over, not to mention their extreme phobia of tunnels and bridges. I went through an awefull lot of brake pads and a clutch in the twin turbo 300ZX I had at the time. Having a car like that makes a person even angrier with the incapable drivers.

An unattentive mini-van mom would spot a "scary" butterfly or something and slam the brakes as she tried to also chat on a cel-phone, read a magazine, discipline her bratty kids and drink her Starbucks, then I-5/405 would get backed up for hours for thousands of terrified "people".

Bah, I geuss it wouldn't hurt to be a little on topic, so here goes: They are probably all libs....and..cons...and they all probably...errr..probably all wanted to commit voter fraud..or something...

What a load of wimps. UDawg, you can officially be as big a jerk as you like.:) I totally understand now.

Can I please have my 30 seconds back that I spent on reading this garbage? What a moron. :rolleyes: