the GeforceFx likely priced to $300?

[Nv40]

no way..it should be only the opinions of the
author of the Cpl coverage .

here is the 5 days coverage of the CPL winter 2002 event ,
where Nvidia and Intel where the biggest sponsors there ..



http://www.avault.com/events/p4we2k2/index.asp?p=day1


with some interviews and screenshots of the PNY Nvidia booth.


http://www.avault.com/events/p4we2k2/avscreenshot.asp?pic=cplwc2k2&num=68


first retail cards of the Nv30 are
expected somewhere January/February .
its going to be a Great year for gaming :)

[netape]

"Benchmarking for the product will happen just before the product ships." :mad: *throws the monitor out of the window* :mad:

EDIT: IMO, there's no way it's priced around 300 $ that's just impossible.

[Uttar]

Well, if yields *are* at 70% at TSMC, something like $329 for the regular seems possible. But for the ultra, certainly not.
Or maybe nVidia wants to make ATI panick ;)


Uttar

[nick800]

"its going to be a Great year for gaming"

every year is a great year for gaming =o)

[nutball]

Originally posted by Uttar
Well, if yields *are* at 70% at TSMC, something like $329 for the regular seems possible. But for the ultra, certainly not.
Or maybe nVidia wants to make ATI panick ;)
Uttar

Assuming 1GHz DDR-II memory is readily available in large quantities, and that MSI can knock out the 10-layer PCBs at higher yield than ATi managed with it's troublesome 8-layer design...

[Uttar]

Originally posted by nutball
Assuming 1GHz DDR-II memory is readily available in large quantities, and that MSI can knock out the 10-layer PCBs at higher yield than ATi managed with it's troublesome 8-layer design...

Remember the regular GFFX is expected to use 800Mhz DDR-II, not 1Ghz one. Also, it'll like have less than a 10 layer PCB. Still about 8 or 9 probably.
But yeah, $329 is probably too optimistic. What about $349? :)


Uttar

[nutball]

Originally posted by Uttar
Remember the regular GFFX is expected to use 800Mhz DDR-II, not 1Ghz one.

That I can believe.


Also, it'll like have less than a 10 layer PCB. Still about 8 or 9 probably.


That I can't understand (fully). Actually why does GFFX require a 10-layer PCB anyway? Presumbly the daftly high clock speed of the memory bus? I can understand by R9700 needs it, routing a 256-bit memory bus can be an interesting topological problem. From this point one might naively assume that a 128-but bus would require a less complex PCB.

So I guess it's just to reduce the interference between the lines on the bus running at such high clock-speeds???

Given that one might assume that a simpler PCB would be possible for lower clocked memory cards. On the other hand that means you're then making two variants, so the economies of scale won't work so well...


But yeah, $329 is probably too optimistic. What about $349? :)


Well $349 will translate to £349 here, which translates to about $525. So if you're asking what I'm going to have to pay for a GFFX, then I'd love to pay $349, but doubt I'll get the chance :D

[Uttar]

Originally posted by nutball
On the other hand that means you're then making two variants, so the economies of scale won't work so well...

Well $349 will translate to £349 here, which translates to about $525. So if you're asking what I'm going to have to pay for a GFFX, then I'd love to pay $349, but doubt I'll get the chance :D

That's exactly what happened with the GF4. The Ti4200 had a 6 Layer PCB while the Ti4400/Ti4600 had a 8 Layer PCB IIRC.

I feel your pain for the high price tag in UK. Living in Belgium, prices for GPUs are also significantly higher than in the US :( I certainly won't pay $349 either.


Uttar

[gstanford]

Originally posted by netape
"Benchmarking for the product will happen just before the product ships." :mad: *throws the monitor out of the window* :mad:

EDIT: IMO, there's no way it's priced around 300 $ that's just impossible.

Where in this article are people getting the pricing info from please? I've got an ATi supporter or two on another forum that continually harp about nVidia prices - I'll enjoy force feeding them a link to this info/rumor :D

[netape]

Originally posted by gstanford
Where in this article are people getting the pricing info from please? I've got an ATi supporter or two on another forum that continually harp about nVidia prices - I'll enjoy force feeding them a link to this info/rumor :D

Here (http://www.avault.com/events/p4we2k2/index.asp?p=geforcefx)

[druga runda]

While on prices R9700, non pro can be had for as little as £200 these days :eek:
(that is including VAT)
And it will be overclockable using some third party bios soon.

So that NV30 better be no more than 300£ at start, but will probably finish in that range. R300 could be bought for £300 and it was advertised as $400 card. So maybe even a bit below £300 if it is mentioned the debut price in US will be $350.

[gstanford]

Thank you.

Yes, I'm aware Ati is cheaper nowadays, but this guy has been at it like forever.

He claims nVidia is an evil greedy corporate monster, while ATi is a benevolent saint in comparison. They would never price their products the way nVidia does... Believe me I had fun when the 9700 Pro first launched and I'm off now for another dose of fun :D :D :D

Greg

[ASCI Blue]

nVidia is a coporate monster. They at some time decided that they should be the only video card manufacturer and attempted to use their status as being the 'best' (most popular) to achieve such a status. Anyone who truly is the best would have no competition because the people are voting with their wallets not because they think they deserve it.

Ah ASCI but they ARE the best and people ARE voting with their wallets because they sell the most! And you'd be right except that they still have competitors meaning that some people don't think they're the best. Is Microsoft really the best OS provider out there? Hell no but when people buy a new computer (think of the masses not the few who are selfie builders) it comes with Windows preinstalled, and there are only 2 desktop providers who do linux one is Wal-Mart (www.walmart.com) and the other I've forgotten.

And for the record I'm currently an ATi user but I intend to check out the baby GeForceFX when it's released since ATi still doesn't provide *good* linux support yet and for that matter no one but nVidia does.

[netape]

Originally posted by ASCI Blue
Is Microsoft really the best OS provider out there? Hell no

I think it is. With XP you can play games , you know?

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by netape
I think it is. With XP you can play games , you know?

there is no better consumer OS for x86 users yet. maybe if Apple releases 10.2 for x86 there would be some serious alternatives.

and quite frankly MS gets better and better with its latest OSes, there really is less and less to complain about.

but that's a topic for another thread.

[ASCI Blue]

I take it all you gents know that MS's next big project determines what you can do on your computers with that DRM crap. Yeah it keeps getting better and at the same time people can effectivly do less with their computers.

BTW linux can do games.

[legion88]

Originally posted by ASCI Blue
.

BTW linux can do games.

How about some good ones, though? ;)

[DaveW]

What, you don't like FreeCiv and XPilot?

[nick800]

DRM is to stop the illegal copying of music, video, and ebooks, so yes they're trying to effectively let you do less *ILLEGAL* stuff with your computer. Not that it really matters. You'll always be able to get the music and shows and movies and such you want for free if you really want em that way...

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by ASCI Blue
I take it all you gents know that MS's next big project determines what you can do on your computers with that DRM crap. Yeah it keeps getting better and at the same time people can effectivly do less with their computers.

BTW linux can do games.

Palladium is opt-in. maybe one day it won't be, but for now it is. that's all you really need to know.

you can just not turn Palladium on and do all your illegal stuff.

[Mandarb1]

"How about some good ones, though?"

http://nwn.bioware.com/downloads/linuxclient.html

I thought NWN was pretty good ;) And the Kohan games....

[lagadu]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
Palladium is opt-in. maybe one day it won't be, but for now it is. that's all you really need to know.

you can just not turn Palladium on and do all your illegal stuff.
it's the first step
1 - first make it get in people's computers with the option to turn it on/off
2 - then increase the things it does and start to add up stuff that needs it on to run
3 - due to needing it on for (now) lots of things, most people leave it on, it still survives because it's "opt-in" for now, but without it most systems would be of little use
4 - since 99% of the users cannot live with it turned off, they just force it on and it's too late to go back.

it's obvious that they are trying to "sneak" palladium in like a feature and make it grow to this point in time.

[ASCI Blue]

Originally posted by DaveW
What, you don't like FreeCiv and XPilot?

I've never played Xpilot (I like defendguin tho but it's hard to play one handed another story for another day), and I like FreeCiv but have to learn how to play it single player.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by lagadu
it's the first step
1 - first make it get in people's computers with the option to turn it on/off
2 - then increase the things it does and start to add up stuff that needs it on to run
3 - due to needing it on for (now) lots of things, most people leave it on, it still survives because it's "opt-in" for now, but without it most systems would be of little use
4 - since 99% of the users cannot live with it turned off, they just force it on and it's too late to go back.

it's obvious that they are trying to "sneak" palladium in like a feature and make it grow to this point in time.

they aren't going to get away with it. one way or another.

[netape]

Originally posted by ASCI Blue
and I like FreeCiv but have to learn how to play it single player.

*Playing Civ III* :D:p