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Geebs
08-13-05, 03:34 PM
Hi Guys,

I was wondering if the 7800GTX is the top of the line card for this product cycle, or will there be an Ultra version released as soon as I purchase 2 GTX's?

TIA,


Geebs
LiquidX
08-13-05, 03:40 PM
Supposedly the GTX is the "top of the line" but I really dont think anyone knows. I personaly feel Nvidia has something up there sleeves if ATI releases something better but with two GTX's in SLI I doubt you would care so I would go ahead and get them. :cool:
Geebs
08-13-05, 03:47 PM
Thanks for the reply, LiquidX,

I was going to get them anyway, but i just wanted to see, as I would be really annoyed if they release another higher end card a month or two after spending $1,140 on video cards. Not to mention the fact that my wife would kill me, then divorce me...
angshuman
08-13-05, 03:55 PM
I was wondering if the 7800GTX is the top of the line card for this product cycle, or will there be an Ultra version released as soon as I purchase 2 GTX's?

I believe Murphy's Law will be applicable here. If you stay away from buying the GTX's, an Ultra will never be released. The moment you buy a pair, you'll see an Ultra announced within a couple of days. Never fails.
Geebs
08-13-05, 03:59 PM
I believe Murphy's Law will be applicable here. If you stay away from buying the GTX's, an Ultra will never be released. The moment you buy a pair, you'll see an Ultra announced within a couple of days. Never fails.

LOL... so true
SH64
08-13-05, 04:08 PM
Yep i too believe in Murphy's Law .. so i would encourage everyone to get the GTX while its hot :D
rohit
08-13-05, 04:51 PM
I was going to get them anyway, but i just wanted to see, as I would be really annoyed if they release another higher end card a month or two after spending $1,140 on video cards. Not to mention the fact that my wife would kill me, then divorce me...
So u mean 1st divorce you, n then kill you. doesnt make sense killing you before the divorce.
anyways, if possible, wait till the r520 launches.
then it would be clear if an ultra is around somewhere or no..
The Boatman
08-13-05, 06:08 PM
Well if she divorced you then killed you she wouldnt get the massive insurance policy she's just taken out ;-)
MUYA
08-13-05, 06:26 PM
wrong section of the forum
Graphicmaniac
08-13-05, 09:42 PM
If there will be an ultra and i should guess the day of release i will say 11th october :D
SH64
08-13-05, 09:51 PM
If there will be an ultra and i should guess the day of release i will say 11th october :D

Nah i believe its the 13th .. i mean 13 has always been the number of optimism , right ? :p
Subtestube
08-13-05, 10:05 PM
I'd guess at "no", with the corrollary that if ATi get the R520 to sale in September, that may change. Basically, if they only have widespread availability in early october, NVidia can wait until December, and just release a refresh part, rather than rushing something faster to market immediately. In any case, Enthusiast is a relatively small part of the market - the real issue for nV as I see it is whether or not ATi can get a powerful mid-level part to market at a good price very soon.
bkswaney
08-14-05, 03:13 AM
The GTX is the Top Of The Line this year.

From looking at the newest benchmarks I would
say there will be no new release this year.
Current CPU's will not allow any more performance.
Just look at the GT and GTX benchmarks.

With nvidia letting it's partners clock the
GTX and GT to what ever they want there
is no need for an ultra.
An ultra would have been a 500+ Mhz core 7800.
Well, NV partners already have the 7800 maxed
out on clocks as it is.

I cannot wait to build my new rig.
Dual 7800GT's are going to rock with
a dual core CPU. :D :D :D


New rig specs. :D
AMD Athlon 64X2 3800
DFI lanparty SLI mobo
1 gig ram
Dual 7800GT's
200+ gig of storage
Koolance water cooling
SH64
08-14-05, 05:04 AM
New rig specs. :D
AMD Athlon 64X2 3800
DFI lanparty SLI mobo
1 gig ram
Dual 7800GT's
200+ gig of storage
Koolance water cooling

No more Intel ? ;)
NoWayDude
08-14-05, 05:51 AM
Dave Bauman interview with JHH

So where to do you see 90nm now then?

We're taping out a whole lot of 90nm chips.

I'm thinking that you'll be going to TSMC's 90nm process; what's the relationship with IBM at the moment?

Yes, we're using 110nm and 90nm at TSMC. The relationship with IBM is fine, its just that we've known for a long time that they'll be reducing the amount of foundry work they do. So we've been moving the majority of our foundry business to other partners - primarily TSMC, some UMC and some Charter. UMC and Charter have really good low power processes so we tend to give them the mobile business, but they also have decent generic high speed logic.
Link:http://www.beyond3d.com/interviews/jhh/index.php?p=02

Now, this can mean midrange products, or also a possible (very unlikely) Ultra.
But with the constrains of faster ram for the GPU'S and that most games are becoming CPU botlenecked (F.E.A.R and upcoming games may be diferent), i doubt an Ultra will surface, at least for the time being.
retsam
08-14-05, 09:30 AM
jen said in nvidia's quarterly report that they only taped out two 90nm processors.... most likly 7600's
Raje
08-14-05, 06:51 PM
I too think that NVIDIA has something up their sleeves.

Not just because I am being hopeful, but because a competitive company like NVIDIA would do something like that. It makes sense. If I were running NVIDIA I would do something like that. Jen-Hsun would probably do such a thing.

I am properly possitioned to take advantage if they do ;)

I only bought one 7800GTX, which is enough for the games I play now. I am building the girlfriend a new computer this holiday season, which could very easily contain an NVIDIA 7800GTX for "free" if NVIDIA releases something faster. (duel)
nutball
08-14-05, 09:43 PM
It would make no sense for NV to have anything "up their sleeves" on the high-end than in overclocked 110nm G70. G70 has enough headroom on 110nm to cope with anything that R520 could throw at it, especially this late in the cycle (NV have had *how* many weeks to cherry pick and speed bin?).
bkswaney
08-15-05, 12:15 AM
No more Intel ? ;)

I was thinking about getting a 830D but
have changed my mind because of gaming.
The intel dual core would be fine for most apps
and all but suxs in gaming so AMD it will be. ;)

I've been using intel now since the P4 1.8 so it's
time for a change again.
I switch back and forth. :D

AMD is the leader right now so it's a no brainer. :)
JPack
08-15-05, 02:54 AM
I find it hard to believe nVidia's top of the line card will be a single-slot, 256 MB card.

There's got to be an Ultra or a 512 MB card waiting to be released. Look at the Quadro 4500....
Kojiro
08-17-05, 02:01 AM
When the r520 appears, a 7800 GTX Ultra Edition may surface. The Ultra specification did not catch on. But Platinum Edition worked well for ATI.

So to please fans and to not totaly abandon the new GTX degsination. The 7800 GTX is Nvidia's Flag ship card. But if need be they can release a double sloted 7800 GTX Ultra Edition. This card could sport the additional 50mhz found on Ultra cards, which will put it at 480Mhz. But as last year, users have been buying 6800 GT and OCing it to ultra speeds, and to the fact that
with current GPU horsepower so high, a mere 50Mhz is probably not going to make very much of a difference. So expect a very high performance cooler and clock speeds 60 to 80 Mhz over GTX.
TimeOut
08-17-05, 05:22 PM
When the R520 appears, nVidia will release the 7800 Ultra with GPU @ 500Mhz clock, 512Mb RAM @1300 or more Mhz.

That's my bet.
Redeemed
08-17-05, 06:31 PM
When the R520 appears, nVidia will release the 7800 Ultra with GPU @ 500Mhz clock, 512Mb RAM @1300 or more Mhz.

That's my bet.

Yeah, I second that. They'll need to. If the R520XT CF is going to have a gpu speed of around 600Mhz and 1300Mhz memory (512mb might I add), then a mear 50 to 80Mhz speed bump ain't gonna' help the GTX much.

In all honesty, I believe that nVidia has a fully functional 32-pipe product locked up in the garage just waiting for the R520 to be released. If they do, then it's clock speed might be close to that of the GTX, but with faster memory speeds I'd imagine.

AND... POSSIBLY 90nm. The 90nm is on my "doubtful" list though. ;) :D :D

I don't think nVidia wants to risk another GFFX series fiasco... as ATI is currently under going. ;) :D :D
Graphicmaniac
08-17-05, 07:18 PM
gt 400*20= 8000
gtx 430*24= 10320
= +2320
so ultra should be 12640
with a 24 pipe will be 525Mhz
with a 28 pipe will be 450Mhz
with a 32 pipe then will be to 400Mhz, but then they need improve also vertex pipe number.

i hope in the 24 pipe 525 anyway :P
bkswaney
08-18-05, 03:41 AM
gt 400*20= 8000
gtx 430*24= 10320
= +2320
so ultra should be 12640
with a 24 pipe will be 525Mhz
with a 28 pipe will be 450Mhz
with a 32 pipe then will be to 400Mhz, but then they need improve also vertex pipe number.

i hope in the 24 pipe 525 anyway :P


IF ATI's 520 is only 20 pipes as has been rumored a while now they will need a 600 core 1400 memory to beat a 7800GTX clocked around 490 or so.
I on the other hand think it will be a 24 pipe card clocked at 600/1400.

Nvidia will respond with a 550+ core clocked 78xx with 1400 memory.
So I see your 525+ 24 pipe as most likly correct. ;)