Intel to unveil "next-generation architecture" for Desktops!!!

[coldpower27]

:D
Here is some more new info to chew on. "lol" ;)

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25496

You took this from the Inquirer. :thumbdwn:

[nutball]

I was being facetious. :) The Itanium is so ridiculous that desktop application is completely out of the question.

Fair enough, LOL :afro:

[Superfly]

I love the idea of a radically different Architecture - anything to break the mold is good with me.

I cant wait for some official info.

[Redeemed]

Yeah, me neither. I haven't really been following up with Processor news- I've been focussing all my research energy into videocards, the PPU, and such:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2477&p=3

You'll notice that the majority of the posts in that thread were me. ;) Go to the Video forum at AMDZone and you'll see that I'd gotten a TON of viewers though!

I mostly utilize my computer for gaming. And I like to game with only the best of visuals. So, naturally this talk about Intel introing a completely new architecture for their next Processor based off of the Pentium M does sound intriguing. My only concern is prices. Ever since I can remember, Intel was always the more expensive alternative ( not referring to low end CPUs here, the mainstream/high end). Even in the Pentium, PentiumII and PentiumIII days they charged a lot for their chips. And I always remember AMD being the less expensive. Also, back then, they offered less performance.

Well, if AMD can ATLEAST be in the same ballpark as Intel with performance but still cost less- then I'll remain an AMD customer. If Intel's performance is so great that it justifies the extra cost, I'll go Intel. If not, then I remain a loyal AMD customer.

My main concern is price, and AMD usually always wins there.

[coldpower27]

Yeah, me neither. I haven't really been following up with Processor news- I've been focussing all my research energy into videocards, the PPU, and such:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2477&p=3

You'll notice that the majority of the posts in that thread were me. ;) Go to the Video forum at AMDZone and you'll see that I'd gotten a TON of viewers though!

I mostly utilize my computer for gaming. And I like to game with only the best of visuals. So, naturally this talk about Intel introing a completely new architecture for their next Processor based off of the Pentium M does sound intriguing. My only concern is prices. Ever since I can remember, Intel was always the more expensive alternative ( not referring to low end CPUs here, the mainstream/high end). Even in the Pentium, PentiumII and PentiumIII days they charged a lot for their chips. And I always remember AMD being the less expensive. Also, back then, they offered less performance.

Well, if AMD can ATLEAST be in the same ballpark as Intel with performance but still cost less- then I'll remain an AMD customer. If Intel's performance is so great that it justifies the extra cost, I'll go Intel. If not, then I remain a loyal AMD customer.

My main concern is price, and AMD usually always wins there.

Yeh, I would agree with that AMD's pricing has generally been lower then Intel's, but you also have to keep in mind, Intel is much more respected then AMD is outside of the enthusiast/gamer circles, and they put energy into marketing to making people aware of how great their products are, hence their ability to charge more for their products for increased profit margins. There isn't a real need for them, to beat out AMD in price/performance, as their main concern is maintain good profits, which they do as their financial figures show.
Though Intel is aware that if they continue, down the NetBurst road, there will come a point where they fall too behind AMD, hence the need of a new architecture.

You can't really directly compare AMD's and Intel pricing, due to the disparities in their reputations.

Though I myself am interested somewhat in how the Ageia's PPU and video card technology is coming along, such as G72 Minastream card, a possible 7800 Ultra, R520's final release, with Crossfire as well. Along with the entire R5xx line including the RV530 and RV515.

[rohit]

Yeh, I would agree with that AMD's pricing has generally been lower then Intel's, but you also have to keep in mind, Intel is much more respected then AMD is outside of the enthusiast/gamer circles, and they put energy into marketing to making people aware of how great their products are, hence their ability to charge more for their products for increased profit margins.
Well how bad AMD may be with the marketing part. their products speak up. thats what i am intrested in.
As for Intel's support. i once called up the Intel help-line here, complaining that the sh!t is running too hot, and the fan-speeed is unbearable. Well, i regretted.
coz the conclusions i got were:
1] the person i spoke to didnt know english. ( a female).
2] after speaking to some one, who knew english, things got worse.
- he said, the reason why my proc runs hot is i am not using a processor compliant motherboard. On explaing them its an ASUS mobo with compatible intel chipset, they said, all mobo makers (besides intel) make substandard mobo's. their thermal materials are of low quality. i had no words left.
3] on asking for a replacement, they said, as long as the product is in a working state, no replacement will be done.
i was shocked, so much for the Intel support.

[coldpower27]

Well how bad AMD may be with the marketing part. their products speak up. thats what i am intrested in.
As for Intel's support. i once called up the Intel help-line here, complaining that the sh!t is running too hot, and the fan-speeed is unbearable. Well, i regretted.
coz the conclusions i got were:
1] the person i spoke to didnt know english. ( a female).
2] after speaking to some one, who knew english, things got worse.
- he said, the reason why my proc runs hot is i am not using a processor compliant motherboard. On explaing them its an ASUS mobo with compatible intel chipset, they said, all mobo makers (besides intel) make substandard mobo's. their thermal materials are of low quality. i had no words left.
3] on asking for a replacement, they said, as long as the product is in a working state, no replacement will be done.
i was shocked, so much for the Intel support.

I am sorry to hear you had such a bad experience with Intel, from what I have read, you seems to have bought sometime in Early to Middle 2004, I guess. At the beginning of it's life Prescott Pentium 4, wasn't all that great, they didn't have much of a choice, they had to launch the product as is, and solve the heat and leakage problems on the go. It's better now that they have launch the Pentium 4 6xx Series, thought if you were buying your system for gaming the Athlon 64 is the better choice.

Yes, the fact that the Athlon 64 is a good product is fine for enthusiasts/gamers, as they are aware of it. Letting that speaking for itself though, isn't good enough for the average-Joe crowd. That's why I am glad I know what's going on, and I wouldn't buy NetBurst based technology.

Your experience is pretty shocking, but I wouldn't assume everyone who calls in get's that kind of response.

[coldpower27]

Coldpower27, You know so much about CPU's, why havent you upgraded as yet.. i jus wanna know.
So what assumptions can be made of AMD's k9 (if thry are moving to the k9 direction)?


Can you please tell me, what was it designed for (NetBurst). i made a huge mistake by buying 2.8e (prescott) and not 2.8c (Northwood). and in most cases the Prescott suked compared to northwood (Both suked, the fact that Prescott suked better), and the B**CH heated so much that i had to move to AMD. I am lovin the experience of AMD, so i'll stick to AMD in the future. hense i was concerned.
By any chance Turion will make it to the desktops?

Sorry I haven't addressed this post earlier. I will try to address what I can now.

Regarding upgrading, simply no money at the moment, plan to upgrade in middle to late 2006. Since I won't have time for gaming as I am a student in University, it won't be that big of a deal.

From what I have read, all K9 is, is a Quad Core K8, K10 supposedly is something new, but it seems quite far off for the time being hence very little is known. Though there were rumors awhile back of AMD moving away from this code name system to something else.

Northwood C didn't suck when it was competing against Athlon XP, but at the time frame you were purchasing it wasn't, with Prescott technology available. Right now for the 90nm generation I would suggest avoidng the P4 5xx Series, and going for the P4 6xx Series. And due to recent price cuts, The P4 5xx Series seems to be on the way out the door as the P4 6xx Series is either cheaper or costs the same.

NetBurst was designed with clockspeed scaling, to be used in conjunction with the marketing that MHZ is king. It did fairly well, until you reached the 90nm heat and leakage problems.

It's just that K8 tech is now competing against P7 (NetBurst), so I don't really expect Intel to win. Bring on P8!

Whether Turion will make it to desktops is pretty much unknown, all that's needed most likely is a BIOS upgrade, and somehow fitting a HSF on a processor that doesn't have the heat spreader, as the mobile parts don't. But with AMD marketing S754 as a budget platform, I am not sure if AMD will allow Turion to comprimise that. S754 Desktop Athlon 64's are on their way out now.

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[rohit]

you seems to have bought sometime in Early to Middle 2004, I guess. At the beginning of it's life Prescott Pentium4
Ah, yes i got it in May 2k4, the 2.8e prescott. I was actually trying for 2.8c (NW), but it seemed like Intel pulled out all the NW's and replaced with prescotts.
Was the worst descision ever, i didnt want to get it, but the Retailer said "Its Cheeeper to NW, and has extra 512Kb". Yes Greedyness led me into trouble, it O/C'd pretty well. but always was hot. though the Fan-speed didnt spin up till november.. it went crazy then.
AMD's arent bad in Marketing... coz here, they dont do any marketing at all. Yes its so bad. Right now, Intels Pentium D's are available since over a month. and the X2's launch is still due. AMD's new launch here are s754-3700+ and s939-4000+. so its kinda frustrating, since i wanna get the X2.
As i said earlier, even illiterates here know abt. intel, but not many educated enggineer's knw abt AMD.
and going for the P4 6xx Series
As for P4 6xx. i know a few people, who got it. the complain of Hi-fan speed with intel mobo's is still there. The thing is 6xx do run cooler when they are idle. But start HL2 and they roar. yes the Fan-Speed goes upto 5200 rpm. i knw it coz i knw many f00ls aka n00bs who have got it and they dont bother about Noise. Its warmer here, 33*C during afternoon on an avg day of the year.
Your experience is pretty shocking, but I wouldn't assume everyone who calls in get's that kind of response
Well, i guess many dont even bother to call. if they have problems, they simply throw the products back on the retailer's face. i was the only fool in this country, who bothered to call 'em, and actually complained on somehing they were completely clueless.
Well, next i sold off my p4 (I got a great buyer who bought it for almost what i had paid for it. only $20 less. so i was happy.)

AMD runs on 2400-2800 rpm on stock cooler while playing HL2 at temps around 47*C. at idle it stays 35. so im luvin it!
I hope, wish, pray for the K9 to keep up with the trend of retaining the performance crown!

Well, anyways, can you provide me with history of AMD/Intel, who came into the proc things initially. how did intel aquire such a huge market share.
yes i did googling, but didnt get much.. all i got was "AMD was 1st, but they had problems with their products and heat-related issues etc. they got doomed, and intel got a chance to fly"