Your US Government at Work...

[Tyr-Sog]

Of coarse you don't hear about it or read about it anywhere mainstream.

A while back the Supreme court passed the law where the city can confiscate your land for corporate america(home depots, cvs, hotels, etc) if its revenues benefits the city and area . So kindly though they'll pay you for it according to fair market value on your property. Sicking isn't it?

Well it gets worse...



http://fairfieldweekly.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:119000

Is our governemnet trying to send the country in to a revolt? This is just unreal.

[evilchris]

OMFG.....speechless, I am so pissed off after reading that.

[Am_I_Evil]

Of coarse you don't hear about it or read about it anywhere mainstream.


this was all over the news when it happened...

and right after it happened this happened: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45029

:D

[evilchris]

this was all over the news when it happened...

What was the outcome? Will the city get away with that ****? You should not be punished for using due process.

[Am_I_Evil]

What was the outcome? Will the city get away with that ****? You should not be punished for using due process.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8331097/

[Tyr-Sog]

I cannot wait for these governemnt officals(thugs) to piss off the wrong person(s) and all hell breaks loose.

We really need to wake up. We really need to start holding these "officals" accountable for all their wrong doings. We need to investigate them, catch them in the wrong and punish them. Question their laws. They're so out of control it's disgusting.

Of coarse nothing will ever be done though. We're to content with our happy full bellies, our material possessions and our decent living.

These officals are nothing more then thugs working for the best organized crime family. Makes me sick.

[netviper13]

I have a really strong feeling this will be one of those Supreme Court decisions that last for about two years before another appeal comes and the Court realizes how stupid the first decision was. It has happened more than once in the past couple decades, it will happen again.

[Tyr-Sog]

Being highly compensated for a road or a highways are one thing, for another dime a dozen corporate store, BS!

This shouldn't even have made it this far in the system..

The greatest individual freedom of a man is his own kingdom and no starbucks or Walmart should EVER take that away from him/her no matter what the ecnomical benefit it becomes for that city.

[Riptide]

I have a really strong feeling this will be one of those Supreme Court decisions that last for about two yearsLet's hope so netviper.
no matter what the ecnomical benefit it becomes for that cityAm I the only one that smells socialism in this decision?

"But if you just give up something of yours then we can ALL benefit!" :rolleyes:

[Zelda_fan]

Wasn't this posted here a while back?

[Riptide]

The decision itself yes. An example of the consequences no.

[brady]

Let's hope so netviper.
Am I the only one that smells socialism in this decision?

"But if you just give up something of yours then we can ALL benefit!" :rolleyes:

I can smell socialism on this decision a mile away. This is very disheartening, but mark my words...It is only going to get worse. :thumbdwn:

[evilchris]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8331097/

I know the decision, I'm just wondering if the residents will really get only year 2000 market value and then pay rent back.

My house right now is worth 500k, in 2000 it would have been like 185k. I live in San Diego. I'd be screwed if I got 185k for it since I owe 400k!!!

[Rakeesh]

This news is a bit old, but I think we need to remove a bit of legislative power from the supreme court.

The liberals wouldn't go for that though since that is practically their only real means of power at all.

[retsam]

This news is a bit old, but I think we need to remove a bit of legislative power from the supreme court.

The liberals wouldn't go for that though since that is practically their only real means of power at all.

that and its a step closer to communism/socialism ....

[Grrrpoop]

It's not a step closer to communism imo.. This is just capitalism taken to an extreme and given a socialist excuse to soften the blow. The motivation for siezing the property is for the companies involved to make a lot of money and pay a lot of taxes. Benefit to the community is secondary.

It's amazing that they can do this.

[Ninjaman09]

It's not a step closer to communism imo.. This is just capitalism taken to an extreme and given a socialist excuse to soften the blow. The motivation for siezing the property is for the companies involved to make a lot of money and pay a lot of taxes. Benefit to the community is secondary.

It's amazing that they can do this.
That's a pretty bad assessment of the situation and capitalism has nothing to do with it. Capitalism is open trade on a free market with private capital, this has nothing to do with that. It's completely anti-capitalist if anything. Government-mandated development != free trade.

[sytaylor]

I'm with ninja on this one, if the government had insisted that a government run building be built on these sites, that would be communism. If a company had legally bought the land off all owners without infringing their rights that would be capitalism. What we have is a horrible fudge called socialism.

[retsam]

It's not a step closer to communism imo.. This is just capitalism taken to an extreme and given a socialist excuse to soften the blow. The motivation for siezing the property is for the companies involved to make a lot of money and pay a lot of taxes. Benefit to the community is secondary what do you think they are doing in china right now. this is a step closer to communism..period!!!

According to Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post, as part of its tightening control of the media, the Chinese government recently ordered its media not to report how farmers fight to protect their lands from being illegally seized by local officials. As incidents of local officials robbing farmers’ properties with estate developers become more and more frequent, farmers are increasingly agonized. Since the Chinese government expressed their intention last year to protect farmers’ properties, illegally seizing farmers’ lands has been widely reported in China. sounds creeply familiar...


http://chinascope.org/magazine/cs2_10.html

[DaveW]

Yes, your city can legally bulldoze and entire neighbourhood to build a new Walmart.

This is why we have the 2nd amendment, folks! Put barricades at the end of your streets and arm yourselves. Any police department with a conscience would support the people defending their homes too.

[retsam]

i agree with you davew ...if this happened to me or one of my neighbors i would go and grab a gun and stand up for them ...this is something that shouldnt be happening in this day and age...

[joltcola]

I'm not sure where the idea of socialism or communism came into play on this one. This is greed on the part of the corporations. They wish to expand, and will lobby to change laws and regulations to suit their expectations. This isn't anything new, and there are already laws in various counties and cities allowing companies to move in if they can show how it would improve an community. Usually having to do with run down areas. Its politicians doing what they do best, bringing in more money and trying to convince the community that it is for their own good. Again, this isn't something new. When huge companies lobby and push for various regulation, and legislation changes, its the same thing we see here. More often than not, the average citizen loses. We just don't see the direct effect, and therefore shrug it off. Ignore it, and think it won't effect us. I'm glad to see people take note of such new development in such zoneing and buyout laws, but there are many other spectrums that we need to keep our eyes on, because we not just losing ground literally, we are losing ground in many different areas such as personal rights.

-- jolt

[Riptide]

I'm not sure where the idea of socialism or communism came into play on this one.It's being used as the justification. See my first post in the thread.

That said, I can also see the angle that this could be looked at as corporate welfare and the socialism angle is just being used as the excuse for it.

[Ninjaman09]

I'm not sure where the idea of socialism or communism came into play on this one. This is greed on the part of the corporations. They wish to expand, and will lobby to change laws and regulations to suit their expectations. This isn't anything new, and there are already laws in various counties and cities allowing companies to move in if they can show how it would improve an community. Usually having to do with run down areas. Its politicians doing what they do best, bringing in more money and trying to convince the community that it is for their own good. Again, this isn't something new. When huge companies lobby and push for various regulation, and legislation changes, its the same thing we see here. More often than not, the average citizen loses. We just don't see the direct effect, and therefore shrug it off. Ignore it, and think it won't effect us. I'm glad to see people take note of such new development in such zoneing and buyout laws, but there are many other spectrums that we need to keep our eyes on, because we not just losing ground literally, we are losing ground in many different areas such as personal rights.

-- jolt

Good post but can we avoid the pigeonholing "omgz the ev4l corporations" rhetoric please? It's awfully discrediting. There are specific companies and specific politicians to blame here, let's focus on them instead of making irrational blanket statements.

[Rakeesh]

I'm not sure where the idea of socialism or communism came into play on this one.

This is all in the name of socialism/communism/liberalism. What conservative or capitalist in their right mind would ever want this?

That basically says that if the community determines that they would rather dick you out of your privately owned property in the name of something that benefits everybody but you, and they act as though it is your duty to bow to their will in that respect.

How is this different from taxation?

Granted taxation is one thing, at lest you can earn more money to replace that money. Property is something completely different though. When that property is turned over, you have no further means of getting it back in this case. That said, this is much much further in the direction of socialism/communism/liberalism than taxation is.

And yes, I know it is a private company that is getting the benefit and not the public, but this ruling states that a private company may get the benefit provided it benefits the public as well. That in itself makes this entirely similar to communism.

Conservatives and capitalists want the opposite. They encourage you to excersize your private rights to your own private property, and you don't have to turn that private property over under any circumstances. The only way anybody can get it from you is if you give it freely, or if they offer you a price that you consider acceptable, neverminding the "fair market value" because in the end the real value of that property is in the eye of the beholder.