Elective Office

[JOEBIALEK]

One of the ambitious proposals put forth by former Vice-President Al Gore was the "re-invention" of government. While the Clinton Administration may have made some progress towards promoting greater efficiency, the result was that government actually grew in size mainly because of bureaucratic self-perpetuation. No one in the United States would disagree that the reduction of government waste should be given top priority. However, before tackling such a problem, one must examine the root causes and not merely treat the symptoms.

When our founding fathers wrote the Constitution, they deliberately left out the "structural path" of elective office but were very clear on names of offices, branches of government, duties of elected officials etcetera. However, what they failed to foresee was the need for elective offices to follow a required path. For example, take the leader of the executive branch; if a person wants to be elected president of the United States, they must first serve as mayor of a city, commissioner of a county and then governor of a state. The two-term limit (eight years) should also be extended to include these lower chief executives as well.

The legislative branch should have a similar path. If one wants to be elected United States senator, they must first serve as a U.S. congressperson from that state. Before serving as a congressperson, they must serve as a councilperson of a city, representative of a state and then as a state senator. The two-term limit should apply here as well.

As for the judicial branch, a United States supreme court justice must serve as a municipal court judge of a city, common pleas court judge of a county, circuit court or district court judge of a state, appeals court judge and state supreme court judge. The two-term limit would apply here also.

Furthermore, the education of these candidates to-be should entail the equivalent of earning a bachelors degree, masters degree and a doctorate in philosophy degree. These degrees must be earned prior to running for elective office. Besides providing a focused academic training it will promote a greater maturity in our candidates before they experience the rigors of their first elective office.

Few could doubt that this path would provide good practical training for those seeking higher office while at the same time establishing a track record that voters could more easily analyze and understand. The two-term limit would allow greater participation because the office would be wide open every eight years. This would force the elected official to properly execute his/her duties and not be as influenced by the various special interest groups.

Government today is often seen as part of the problem rather than a solution to the problem. Perhaps if the United States would consider a path of development for its "philosopher kings" public trust would return and something may actually get done.

[saturnotaku]

Will you please do this forum a favor and go away? Nobody cares what you have to say.

[UDawg]

One of the ambitious proposals put forth by former Vice-President Al Gore was the "re-invention" of government. While the Clinton Administration may have made some progress towards promoting greater efficiency, the result was that government actually grew in size mainly because of bureaucratic self-perpetuation. No one in the United States would disagree that the reduction of government waste should be given top priority. However, before tackling such a problem, one must examine the root causes and not merely treat the symptoms.

When our founding fathers wrote the Constitution, they deliberately left out the "structural path" of elective office but were very clear on names of offices, branches of government, duties of elected officials etcetera. However, what they failed to foresee was the need for elective offices to follow a required path. For example, take the leader of the executive branch; if a person wants to be elected president of the United States, they must first serve as mayor of a city, commissioner of a county and then governor of a state. The two-term limit (eight years) should also be extended to include these lower chief executives as well.

The legislative branch should have a similar path. If one wants to be elected United States senator, they must first serve as a U.S. congressperson from that state. Before serving as a congressperson, they must serve as a councilperson of a city, representative of a state and then as a state senator. The two-term limit should apply here as well.

As for the judicial branch, a United States supreme court justice must serve as a municipal court judge of a city, common pleas court judge of a county, circuit court or district court judge of a state, appeals court judge and state supreme court judge. The two-term limit would apply here also.

Furthermore, the education of these candidates to-be should entail the equivalent of earning a bachelors degree, masters degree and a doctorate in philosophy degree. These degrees must be earned prior to running for elective office. Besides providing a focused academic training it will promote a greater maturity in our candidates before they experience the rigors of their first elective office.

Few could doubt that this path would provide good practical training for those seeking higher office while at the same time establishing a track record that voters could more easily analyze and understand. The two-term limit would allow greater participation because the office would be wide open every eight years. This would force the elected official to properly execute his/her duties and not be as influenced by the various special interest groups.

Government today is often seen as part of the problem rather than a solution to the problem. Perhaps if the United States would consider a path of development for its "philosopher kings" public trust would return and something may actually get done.
I think we should have a government of the people, by the people and for the people, not a professional political class as we have now. What you are proposing is not efficiency but more of the same thing we have now, just with more government rules attached to it. Your whole approch is the exact opposit of how I view government.

WRT to Clinton promoting greater effiency...where? This just wasn't the case.

[vampireuk]

http://www.vampireuk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pinko-dismal.jpg

[saturnotaku]

:rofl

Damn, I about lost it after seeing that pic.

:rofl

[Rakeesh]

The legislative branch should have a similar path. If one wants to be elected United States senator, they must first serve as a U.S. congressperson from that state. Before serving as a congressperson, they must serve as a councilperson of a city, representative of a state and then as a state senator. The two-term limit should apply here as well.

What, they have to be "political royalty" before they can take any other higher office? What is with you liberals and mandatory political elitism?

a doctorate in philosophy degree.

I could *maybe* see requiring a bachelors degree, but a doctorates...in PHILOSOPHY of all things? What, so you have to be conditioned politically before you are ever allowed to make political decisions? Sorry, but that has got to be among one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

[UDawg]

That is all we need, pholosophy morons running the country. This elitist way of thinking scares the hell out of me. Some ideas are so crazy that only a intellectual would believe in them.

[retsam]

For this paper i give him a "F"... you need some original thought other then following the thought process of you liberal instructors..by the way how many other forums have you posted this to JOEBIALEK... five .... ten....

[retsam]

here (http://news.bostonherald.com/talkBack/index.php?PHPSESSID=077a6034ca1cd73a6ceaf0152f6890 e8&action=profile;u=5743;sa=showPosts)
here (http://knoxville.wate.com/sound_off/index.php?PHPSESSID=5576d4d0229c6fd05da267eae5e63c 38&action=profile;u=301;sa=showPosts)
here (http://www.takingitglobal.org/connections/discuss/showthread.html?s=&goto=newpost&threadid=11899)

here yet again (http://forums.firingsquad.com/firingsquad/board/message?board.id=chris&message.id=1815#M1815)

ho hum (http://www.uclunion.org/discuss/index.php?act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=065aa3d6869956c2ac4098767a56c915&search_in=posts&result_type=posts)
ya ya ya (http://humaniststudies.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2651&highlight=#2651)

wow i must be bored!!..... notice its the first week of college ... he must have a paper due.. so he goes around the forums and has people analize his work ...

[Rakeesh]

Doesn't this count as spam? Or at least I would think anyways. All he ever does is cross post crap and then doesn't even engage in any discussion. Spammers behave in a similar manner.

[retsam]

good point...

[CybrSage]

Death to spammers!

[Sazar]

Maybe RUINED changed allegiances?

[sytaylor]

What a crap paper, to run for office you should be clinically sane and be successful enough to get people to vote for you.

[JOEBIALEK]

good points

[killahsin]

One of the ambitious proposals put forth by former Vice-President Al Gore was the "re-invention" of government. While the Clinton Administration may have made some progress towards promoting greater efficiency, the result was that government actually grew in size mainly because of bureaucratic self-perpetuation. No one in the United States would disagree that the reduction of government waste should be given top priority. However, before tackling such a problem, one must examine the root causes and not merely treat the symptoms.

When our founding fathers wrote the Constitution, they deliberately left out the "structural path" of elective office but were very clear on names of offices, branches of government, duties of elected officials etcetera. However, what they failed to foresee was the need for elective offices to follow a required path. For example, take the leader of the executive branch; if a person wants to be elected president of the United States, they must first serve as mayor of a city, commissioner of a county and then governor of a state. The two-term limit (eight years) should also be extended to include these lower chief executives as well.

The legislative branch should have a similar path. If one wants to be elected United States senator, they must first serve as a U.S. congressperson from that state. Before serving as a congressperson, they must serve as a councilperson of a city, representative of a state and then as a state senator. The two-term limit should apply here as well.

As for the judicial branch, a United States supreme court justice must serve as a municipal court judge of a city, common pleas court judge of a county, circuit court or district court judge of a state, appeals court judge and state supreme court judge. The two-term limit would apply here also.

Furthermore, the education of these candidates to-be should entail the equivalent of earning a bachelors degree, masters degree and a doctorate in philosophy degree. These degrees must be earned prior to running for elective office. Besides providing a focused academic training it will promote a greater maturity in our candidates before they experience the rigors of their first elective office.

Few could doubt that this path would provide good practical training for those seeking higher office while at the same time establishing a track record that voters could more easily analyze and understand. The two-term limit would allow greater participation because the office would be wide open every eight years. This would force the elected official to properly execute his/her duties and not be as influenced by the various special interest groups.

Government today is often seen as part of the problem rather than a solution to the problem. Perhaps if the United States would consider a path of development for its "philosopher kings" public trust would return and something may actually get done.


Somewhere along the lines you seem to have forgotten that this was the government of the common man. Somewhere along the lines the democrats forgot about JFK. Yet hail him as the savior of his party, but leave his politics at the door. His own brother often spits political mumbo jumbo that is at odds with what JFK practiced. That is the problem with the democratic party, my party, as I see it today. We no longer have any identity but rather political elites whom practice only political philosophies rather then practical theory.

[retsam]

JOEBIALEK

good points
umm we are calling you a spammer how the hell is that a good point ... your just trying to bring back a dead thread.....go away now ...

[vampireuk]

Or as I say in Britain, f*ck off and die.

I think the idiot should be banned, clearly he is doing some kind of school work and is relying on everybody else to do the work for him.

[retsam]

Permit me to introduce myself. My name is Joe Bialek and I was born on September 12, 1963 just 40 days before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. My family was originally from Cleveland, Ohio. It is the city of my current residence. I attended Padua High School in Parma, Ohio and went on to complete a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science and a Masters of Public Administration at the University of Akron. In 1993, I moved back to Cleveland and resided in my grandfather's house located in the neighborhood known as Slavic Village. This is where my grandfather immigrated from Poland and the house where my father was born. I then ran for city council against the incumbent who was elected in 1985. After work each day I would walk to each of the 9,000 registered households from April to August and seemed to make a positive impression among the voters. However two other candidates entered the race and I finished last. The strange thing about the results, however, was the disparity between the absentee ballots and the card-punched ballots. According to the absentee ballots, I lost by a 2-to-1 margin to the incumbent but won by a 16-to-1 margin over the other two candidates. But according to the card-punched ballots, I finished last by just 4 votes. I was so exhausted by the campaign that a recount was the furthest from my mind. In the general election, the incumbent retained his seat.

Shortly after the election, I was elected President of South East Clevelanders Together. The purpose of this non-profit group was to organize each of the twelve sub-neighborhoods located within Slavic Village (Ward 12) to address quality of life issues in an aggressive and systematic manner. Needless to say, it did not take long for our group to clash with the Councilman's housing group. Their primary objective was to build and rehabilitate housing without any real regard for the other issues affecting the residents and business owners. The councilman's father owns a large real estate company so I'll let you draw your own conclusion. Our funding was cut off from the City of Cleveland and efforts to raise money through foundations were sabotaged. Inevitably I was forced to use my own money to sustain the efforts of the organization. In spite of all the resistance, however, we were very successfull in organizing block clubs and civic associations as well as bringing pressure to provide solutions to the problems plaguing the community. All during this time, the councilman attempted to spin my intentions as simply an effort to prepare for a second council run. I did not run again in 1997 because I felt it would be more beneficial for the community if SECT continued to push for action rather than allow the entrenched councilman to ignore issues while his housing group pushed rehabilitations and new construction.

In 1999, I moved to the Old Brooklyn neighborhood of the city of Cleveland. I decided to withdraw from public life and shift my focus to reading philosophy, economics, sociology, religion, psychology and political theory. I also committed to writing a editorial piece once per month hence the reason for my monthly email and message board postings. I do this out of altruism and receive no compensation what so ever. My sole objective is to offer suggestions on how we may fine tune America and stear the United States in a positive direction. I know I've been guilty of posting to message boards and not returning to join in the discussion. But I have read most responses. Accordingly, I hereby commit to returning no sooner or later than 24 hours after my post to answer counter arguments. I'll only respond to intellectual contributions not insults or statements from those who treat message boards like their little fiefdoms. For those of you who would like to contact me, you may reach me at the email address listed below. Thanks and let us continue to "fine tune America".

Joe Bialek
Cleveland, Ohio
jgbialek@adelphia.net do i hear elitist!!

i really like this part

I do this out of altruism and receive no compensation what so ever.

[vampireuk]

Perhaps he actually lost because he is a annoying idiot who spends more time on internet message boards than doing the job.

[Ninjaman09]

I don't get why you guys respond to his posts. He comes in here every couple of months or so and does this.

[retsam]

I don't get why you guys respond to his posts. He comes in here every couple of months or so and does this. oh comon ...its more fun this way ...

[Ninjaman09]

Heh heh that's true. :D

[vampireuk]

The next post he makes asking for opinions I think we should reply with nothing but boobies.

[Ninjaman09]

I'm down.

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