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Kama
09-13-05, 05:46 AM
Hi guys,

I'm wondering ... I see people having problems with their 6800 card and nforce3 mobo, and as a matter of fact I already have the same kind of freezing problem with my 5900 / nforce3 system. :confused:
Perhaps I should avoid a 6800, but what about a 6600? Is it only the 6800 suffering from the freezing problem on nforce3 motherboards?
I just don't want to end up with the same problem all over again ... :(

Just as a sidenote: will a 5900xt -> 6600 be worth it in your opinion? Or should I look for a 6600GT/6800LE at the least?


Tnx :)

Daneel Olivaw
09-13-05, 06:05 AM
I can't speak for the 6600, but my 6800LE at stock has the same raw power as my 5900xt OCed to 460/770. By raw power I mean for example running old DX7-DX8 games. However it is substancially faster in DX9 (PS2-PS3) games such as Far Cry, Painkiller (1.61), ... Because of shading power in some situations the 6800 is 4x faster (in game, some cases went from 12fps to 40+fps with the exact same settings).

And 6800LE are the same price as 6600GT. And I'm not sure which of the two is the best buy. I think I should have gone with the 6800nu. Not sure about that either.

Kama
09-13-05, 06:28 AM
[...]And 6800LE are the same price as 6600GT. And I'm not sure which of the two is the best buy. I think I should have gone with the 6800nu. Not sure about that either.

I just looked at some prices and this is what I see atm (avg):
125~150 euro: ati 700pro (rare), 6600 (vanilla!), 6800LE
150~200 euro: 6600GT

The 6800LE looks good, but I don't want to end up with that freezing problem again ... The 6600GT is a bit too expensive for me right now, but I can wait a month though.

And, yeah, it is the performance increase in Dx9 games I'm looking for. Just a card that can serve me for a year or so. 1024*768 medium/high details, some AF, no AA will be fine. The 5900xt just cannot do that anymore unfortunately.

KickAssCop
09-13-05, 07:21 AM
Get something like 6800 non ultra, if you really want bang for buck. A 6600GT performs on par with 6800LE and beats it in most cases, but 6800LE can be unlocked (if you are lucky). Overall, I would say wait a bit and get nothing less than a 6800NU, because newer games will be needing more and more power.

P.S. I installed a 6600GT in an nforce 3 250 gb mobo yesterday and it ran dandy. No issues.

Kama
09-13-05, 08:04 AM
A 6800nu? Not a bad suggestion actually,
but the same as for the 6800le: I don't want to take a risk in getting that freezing problem again, and so far I haven't seen people with 6600/6600GT getting them? :)
Besides, I'll only need a card for a year or so and my performance requirements aren't that high anyway. A 6600GT will do just fine I guess.

Hmmm after looking at some benchmarks I should not even bother with the upgrade 5900->6600.

edit: 128MB onboard memory for a 6600GT is enough, right?

-sell your mobo
-buy a mobo with a via chipset
-sell your 5900
-buy a 6800/6800gt

:)


- MoBo has a crappy onboard NIC (can't play games online: lag + high ping)
- the 5900xt only overclocks to ~ 410/800

That'll not even get me a new MoBo :p

john19055
09-14-05, 02:41 PM
I don't have a plain 6800 but I have a nforce3 motherboard and a 6800ultra and I have no problems with a n-force3 M.B and a 6800u.

j0j081
09-15-05, 04:07 AM
a lot of the freezing only occurs if you OC too much. my setup is working fine as below.

Kama
09-15-05, 04:59 AM
a lot of the freezing only occurs if you OC too much. my setup is working fine as below.
Are you sure about that?

My 5900xt has it on stock frequencies as well. I can overclock it, but no increase or decrease of the freezing. If I voltmod it (1.5v) I can overclock it to 450/800, but still, no increase or decrease. Running it at 'low power 3d'; still no difference. Winter or summer, again no difference.
Some games are totally fine (bf2 for instance), but some others (Unreal2) are nearly unplayable. Most games are in the middle though: just one freeze or so per time.
Maybe it is different for the Geforce6 series but in short it is the same problem: screen freezes, sound continues, 5~7 seconds later, sound loops, screen unfreezes and the game continues like nothing has happened.
Something related to the GeforceFX continued into the Geforce6 series apparently ... that is how I see it (but I'm not an expert).
By the way, I had this problem also with my old MoBo, a K7S5A (SiS chipset).

I don't have a plain 6800 but I have a nforce3 motherboard and a 6800ultra and I have no problems with a n-force3 M.B and a 6800u.
Both have the same core I think, only @ different frequencies =) Good to know though.
Perhaps I should no really worry. It is only when people have problems that they tend to post on the net - and who knows how small that group actually is (compared to the group that doesn't have the freezing problem)?

Meh, i'll just take my chances and go for a cheap 6800nu or something (if not, a 6600gt then). ATI's 700pro is almost as silly for an upgrade as a 6600nu would be, and the 800pro is priced well above 200 euros anyway.

j0j081
09-15-05, 09:34 PM
well that is how it is on my setup, so i don't know. seem like everyone has a dif story.

uOpt
09-15-05, 10:15 PM
In my NF3 board I had a 5900XT and never had trouble. Then I bought the 6800Ultra with nothing else changed and the stutter started. Driver and BIOS updates would do nothing.

OWA
09-15-05, 10:37 PM
Are you sure about that?

Yes, there are a lot of us that don't have the issue. My current msi nforce3/ pny 6800U combo works fine. I also had another nforce 3 system that I recently sold to a friend and it also worked fine (it was a Gigabyte nforce3 board and an evga 6800GT). This isn't a recommendation, just letting you know that some people don't have any problems, some do.

Zerocool
09-15-05, 11:33 PM
If you do sell your mobo & card might aswell go PCI-E.

joshua7
09-16-05, 08:23 AM
Yes, there are a lot of us that don't have the issue. My current msi nforce3/ pny 6800U combo works fine. I also had another nforce 3 system that I recently sold to a friend and it also worked fine (it was a Gigabyte nforce3 board and an evga 6800GT). This isn't a recommendation, just letting you know that some people don't have any problems, some do.

I'd say that with a nf3/6800 there is a chance for the problem to occur, with Via and 6800 there is not.

OWA
09-16-05, 10:24 AM
is your videocard overclocked?
I'll have to check once I get home to report the speeds I'm using on the Ultra. With the 6800GT, it was definitely overclocked since I ran it at the stock 6800U speed. The PNY 6800U came overclocked a little out of the box and I can't remember if I went any higher or not at the moment. I'll check tonight.

Edit: 6800U is running at 425/1200.

I'd say that with a nf3/6800 there is a chance for the problem to occur, with Via and 6800 there is not.
I think that's a pretty good way of phrasing it.

Kama
09-17-05, 05:02 PM
Yes, there are a lot of us that don't have the issue. My current msi nforce3/ pny 6800U combo works fine. I also had another nforce 3 system that I recently sold to a friend and it also worked fine (it was a Gigabyte nforce3 board and an evga 6800GT). This isn't a recommendation, just letting you know that some people don't have any problems, some do.
Yea I know, thanks. :)

I already have good airflow in my case and I'm not planning to overclock so chances are my system will be "freeze-free" if I decide to buy a 6800 (nu/le or whatever). For now a 6600GT is all I can afford anyway.

Daneel Olivaw
09-18-05, 07:34 AM
I don't understand, 6600GT and 6800LE/NU are the same price, why do you say a 6600GT is all you can afford?

6800NU
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1009366&CatId=0
189USD
6600GT
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1188781&CatId=0
189USD

The performance difference between the two won't justify upgrading from one to the other btw.

Kama
09-18-05, 09:10 AM
I don't understand, 6600GT and 6800LE/NU are the same price, why do you say a 6600GT is all you can afford?

6800NU
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1009366&CatId=0
189USD
6600GT
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1188781&CatId=0
189USD

The performance difference between the two won't justify upgrading from one to the other btw.

Typo, *oops* ... I meant the 6600, not the 6600GT.
A 6600GT is usually 20 to 50 Euros cheaper than a 6800 of the same brand though. Well, here in Holland (!) it seems to be anyway.

But I just spotted a 6800 (asus v9999/td, 128mb) for only 129 Euros! Dang, that's what an average 6600 costs here. :p

Daneel Olivaw
09-18-05, 12:05 PM
You're right, the 6600 standard is dirt cheap but not a move up from the 5900XT.

rohit
09-18-05, 07:08 PM
But I just spotted a 6800 (asus v9999/td, 128mb) for only 129 Euros! Dang, that's what an average 6600 costs here.
Well, Get it..
And Best of Luck (for no probs of stutt..)