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UDawg
09-22-05, 01:26 PM
I heard this on the radio today and wished I thought of it but it is brilliant and spot on.

The aid response to hurricane Rita will be over-whelming and instant. At the same time President Bush will be criticized for his over-whelming and swift response. The reason why? Texas is a red state with lots of white people. The race card will be played again and the president will be bashed again for being a racist and favoring his home state. :p I love this prediction. Stay tuned for the actual response and be sure to pray for those who are displaced by hurricane Rita.

Tygerwoody
09-22-05, 01:29 PM
Where is Captain Obvious when you need him. :p


Hah, yea the media is so predictable. They'll have closeups on all the white people being saved, but also on all the white people who look like they are "looting". Then show closeups on the poor black people on rooftops doing nothing and not being saved.

Its going to be great :)

evilghost
09-22-05, 01:30 PM
Don't forget the fact he has assets in the "Oil Industry". That'll be played along with the race card.

I'm still hoping Rita moves just a little to the East.

BrianG
09-22-05, 01:33 PM
The left will be wrong. It's because Texas is large enough to be our own country. We know what to do and we are getting it done. Heh.

DiscipleDOC
09-22-05, 01:33 PM
Don't forget the fact he has assets in the "Oil Industry". That'll be played along with the race card.
Out of all the rhetoric I've heard about our President, this one has to be the silliest. How can he have assets in the "Oil Industry" and the price of gas is sky rocketing? This one makes no sense.

I'm still hoping Rita moves just a little to the East. I'm not. My girlfriend have relatives in Galvaston.

Tygerwoody
09-22-05, 01:34 PM
Hah UDawg... You know whats going to be even more funny?

South Park is SURE to have some kind of episode making fun of all of this. It never fails. They make fun of everything! :p

evilghost
09-22-05, 01:37 PM
Out of all the rhetoric I've heard about our President, this one has to be the silliest. How can he have assets in the "Oil Industry" and the price of gas is sky rocketing? This one makes no sense.

I'm not. My girlfriend have relatives in Galvaston.

By East, I mean NO. :)

I agree, it's crap, but look at the same asshats in OPEC who gouge the prices before there is any damage or cause for reduction in supply and a steady demand. You watch, I'm sure we'll see gas up in the $2.99's before there is any Rita storm-damage.

Ninjaman09
09-22-05, 01:40 PM
Hah UDawg... You know whats going to be even more funny?

South Park is SURE to have some kind of episode making fun of all of this. It never fails. They make fun of everything! :p
Yeah, when does the new season start anyway? I miss their coy political commentary, it really was great to put things in perspective. :D

oldsk00l
09-22-05, 01:42 PM
Then Mike Myers will be on camera going "well, no need to donate since we're already squared away, thank god Bush cares about white people" :D

DiscipleDOC
09-22-05, 01:45 PM
By East, I mean NO. :)

I agree, it's crap, but look at the same asshats in OPEC who gouge the prices before there is any damage or cause for reduction in supply and a steady demand. You watch, I'm sure we'll see gas up in the $2.99's before there is any Rita storm-damage.
You are right. These oil moguls was looking for any excuse to hike up the price of gas. I wish we were not so dependent on crude oil....

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Hey evilghost, I just noticed you are from birmingham! I'm 110 miles north of you in Florence, and I work in Decatur! ;)
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UDawg
09-22-05, 01:50 PM
Run Evilghost Run!!!!

evilghost
09-22-05, 01:56 PM
Lol @ UDawg :)

DiscipleDOC, yeah I noticed you were in Alabama. I love it here, awesome day, top down on the Jeep. I work off HWY 280.

DiscipleDOC
09-22-05, 02:00 PM
Lol @ UDawg :)

DiscipleDOC, yeah I noticed you were in Alabama. I love it here, awesome day, top down on the Jeep. I work off HWY 280.
UDawg is just mad because he's a registered sex offender, and he can't leave his state (Washington) to come to Alabama and stalk me! :afro2:

Yea...I went out for lunch and had my sunroof open. I love days like this! ;)

UDawg
09-22-05, 02:04 PM
UDawg is just mad because he's a registered sex offender, and he can't leave his state (Washington) to come to Alabama and stalk me! :afro2:

LOL! Dude you are dense. I have had my eye on your tail for some time now. I just cut my ankle off so the leg tracker would stay in my house. PFFT, wait till I get a hold of your pertty mouth.

Ninjaman09
09-22-05, 02:06 PM
You are right. These oil moguls was looking for any excuse to hike up the price of gas. I wish we were not so dependent on crude oil....

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Hey evilghost, I just noticed you are from birmingham! I'm 110 miles north of you in Florence, and I work in Decatur! ;)
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Oil prices are determined on the open market by commodities traders, not OPEC. Hikes in prices are a result of mass paranoia and supply concerns. They will definitely happen but it won't be OPEC's doing. In fact OPEC recently authorized all of its countries to increase their production quotas to allow more oil into the channel.

EDIT: My mistake, they haven't approved it yet, but here you go:

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/29/news/international/oil_opec.reut/
http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/17/news/international/bc.energy.opec.naimi.reut/?section=money_mostpopular
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050917/bs_nm/energy_opec_naimi_dc

An interesting thing to note in the second article is how it is difficult for suppliers to find buyers in the current market atmosphere. That certainly isn't their own fault! :p

Supply problems are not in the hands of oil suppliers but refinery capacity that was damaged by Katrina and which stands to be further damaged (speculatively) by Rita.

As an addendum, OPEC does not actually drill the oil itself, nor is all of the world's oil drilled by the countries who own the land the oil reserves occupy. Oil fields are leased out to oil companies such as Exxon by countries, who charge the companies royalties. Oil production limits are placed on the countries as well in an effort to keep the market relatively stable. All OPEC truly does is set production quotas, which does have SOME effect on the price of oil, but not nearly as much as market forces and commodities traders.

oldsk00l
09-22-05, 02:18 PM
Which is where my real beef with oil co's is, refining capacity.

Rather than build new capacity, let's just keep half of our refineries inoperative for one reason or another to keep the prices jacked up.

That's where the gouging is coming from.

Ninjaman09
09-22-05, 02:20 PM
Which is where my real beef with oil co's is, refining capacity.

Rather than build new capacity, let's just keep half of our refineries inoperative for one reason or another to keep the prices jacked up.

That's where the gouging is coming from.
BINGO! oldsk00l is completely right. We aren't opening new refineries at all and we are operating old, failing ones as it is. Gasoline is expensive because of this. So get mad at greedy oil companies, not OPEC. :)

oldsk00l
09-22-05, 02:48 PM
BINGO! oldsk00l is completely right. We aren't opening new refineries at all and we are operating old, failing ones as it is. Gasoline is expensive because of this. So get mad at greedy oil companies, not OPEC. :)

From the oil co's perspective it makes sense anyway. There is no incentive to build new capacity because it lowers the price of your product to do so.

I know a guy who works for Exxon who informed me that refining now accounts for %65 of the cost of gas at the pump.

Ninjaman09
09-22-05, 02:51 PM
From the oil co's perspective it makes sense anyway. There is no incentive to build new capacity because it lowers the price of your product to do so.

I know a guy who works for Exxon who informed me that refining now accounts for %65 of the cost of gas at the pump.
Yes it is a poor business decision to invest in more capital for the purpose of lowering the price of your product.

DiscipleDOC
09-22-05, 02:53 PM
From the oil co's perspective it makes sense anyway. There is no incentive to build new capacity because it lowers the price of your product to do so.

I know a guy who works for Exxon who informed me that refining now accounts for %65 of the cost of gas at the pump.

65%? Wow. That's hiway robbery right there!

Clay
09-22-05, 02:57 PM
It's interesting to see the local and state governments in Texas taking action (using school buses to take those without transportation out of town, etc). As such, I doubt there will be a leg to stand on for simpleton finger pointing blaming the President of the United States since the local/state goverments are doing what their freaking supposed to do in the first place.

I still don't understand why Louisiana didn't do the same thing. It's common knowledge dating back centuries that hurricanes are a bad deal and not to be taken lightly...especially if your city is in a geographic sink hole.

Glad to see that Texas is being proactive and I hope there is no loss of life as Rita looks to be shaping up to really pack a punch.

bigC
09-22-05, 03:10 PM
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002.
Bush et al messed up the Katrina response, so he won't get fooled again with Rita, even if it means overkill. only right would try to slam their opponents in advance of something, trying to predict how the other side will react, and then post asinine threads such as this one. something to do with the simplicity of a child's mind ...

BrianG
09-22-05, 03:12 PM
It's interesting to see the local and state governments in Texas taking action (using school buses to take those without transportation out of town, etc). As such, I doubt there will be a leg to stand on for simpleton finger pointing blaming the President of the United States since the local/state goverments are doing what their freaking supposed to do in the first place.

I still don't understand why Louisiana didn't do the same thing. It's common knowledge dating back centuries that hurricanes are a bad deal and not to be taken lightly...especially if your city is in a geographic sink hole.

Glad to see that Texas is being proactive and I hope there is no loss of life as Rita looks to be shaping up to really pack a punch.
We even made allowances for people to bring pets with them. The fewer excuses people have to stay behind, the fewer people that will stay behind.

Again, Texas is far more organised. In fact, Austin metro area EMS groups ran a drill three months ago (yes, before Katrina) to test hurricane preparedness for evacuees and potential flooding scenarios.

It is going to be the true feeling of tragedy of Katrina when people realize just how poorly run and corrupt LA is...

BrianG
09-22-05, 03:23 PM
Bush et al messed up the Katrina response, so he won't get fooled again with Rita, even if it means overkill. only right would try to slam their opponents in advance of something, trying to predict how the other side will react, and then post asinine threads such as this one. something to do with the simplicity of a child's mind ...
Bush has nothing to do with how Texas is reacting to the threat of Rita. The original landfall prediction area already had plans for mandatory evacuation four days ago. The evacuation orders are coming from local and state officials.

You must not know Texas history. Two of the largest cities in the past have were nearly wiped off the map by natural disasters; Waco by a tornado, Galveston by a hurricane. Had it not been for those, the orders from the governor would be to head shelters in Waco, our largest city inland, evacuating the millions living in the thriving city of Galveston, with Houston a suburb. The 1900 hurricane in Galveston remains the deadliest storm in US History.

New Orleans beat the odds for far too long.

UDawg
09-22-05, 03:26 PM
Bush et al messed up the Katrina response, so he won't get fooled again with Rita, even if it means overkill. only right would try to slam their opponents in advance of something, trying to predict how the other side will react, and then post asinine threads such as this one. something to do with the simplicity of a child's mind ...
The president did not mess up the relief effort. I know you are in Canada so I will type slow.

Big bad Bush no make boo boo in NO. Govenor and mayor be liberal losers who are responsible. Constitution (good) say Big bad Bush cannot go into state with out okie dokie from liberal govenor.