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leekirlew
09-26-05, 03:28 PM
Its sli and pci express goodness for the 754!

No, its true!

Have a look here:

http://www.epox.com.tw/eng/products_content.php?ps=375

I was just thinking of ditching my processor, motherboard and gfx card to get on the pci express route with a 7800GT, timing couldn't have been any better!!

superklye
09-26-05, 10:15 PM
It's too bad the HTT is still only 1600MHz and there still isn't dual channel memory support. They could feasibly add it to the chipset, like the nFORCE2 boards, couldn't they?

anzak
09-26-05, 11:01 PM
OMFG! OMFG! It is true!

...

How did you survive under that rock for so long? These have been out forever. Hell, I've personally had mine a month. I regret getting this POS ECS board. Should have paid a little more and went DFI, but yeah.

It's too bad the HTT is still only 1600MHz and there still isn't dual channel memory support. They could feasibly add it to the chipset, like the nFORCE2 boards, couldn't they?

Despite these limitations the S754 still owns the Athlon XP and is on par with same speed S939 processers in 90% of apps.

superklye
09-26-05, 11:25 PM
Despite these limitations the S754 still owns the Athlon XP and is on par with same speed S939 processers in 90% of apps.
No, I know it destroys the AXP, I wasn't arguing that. I was just asking if they could implement an onboard memory controller like the nFORCE2 had.

I know running the HTT over 2000MHz on 939 boards can cause extreme instability, but can these OC to 2000MHz and remain stable?

CaptNKILL
09-27-05, 12:20 AM
No, I know it destroys the AXP, I wasn't arguing that. I was just asking if they could implement an onboard memory controller like the nFORCE2 had.

I know running the HTT over 2000MHz on 939 boards can cause extreme instability, but can these OC to 2000MHz and remain stable?
I think you mean 800Mhz on S754 and 1000Mhz on S939... im pretty sure it isnt doubled.

And I guess this is good news, but I wish they would just switch everything over to socket 939 all together so we have Semprons and Sempron 64s on this socket. Working at a computer shop, this would simplify things a lot. Its kind of anoying to not know what to tell a customer if they ask about upgradeablity of the new Sempron system we built for cheap. Theres simply no future upgradability for the socket, so if you get a sempron now, dont expect to upgrade. Ever. Maybe to a 3200+ Athlon64, but anything faster will be impossible to find next year.

superklye
09-27-05, 12:26 AM
I think you mean 800Mhz on S754 and 1000Mhz on S939... im pretty sure it isnt doubled.
It sends back and forth and at the same time, so it's effective speed is 1600MHz and 2000Mhz...just like DDR.

seeker010
09-27-05, 12:30 AM
It sends back and forth and at the same time, so it's effective speed is 1600MHz and 2000Mhz...just like DDR.
not sure about ht links, but I'm pretty sure for ddr, it uses the rising and failing states to send data instead of just rising.

superklye
09-27-05, 12:46 AM
not sure about ht links, but I'm pretty sure for ddr, it uses the rising and failing states to send data instead of just rising.
I know how DDR works, I was using it as a parallel. HTT sends and receives data at the same time so it has an effective speed of 2000Mhz/1600MHz, just as DDR400 is running at 200MHz but since it sends on the up and down, it's effectively 400MHz.

CaptNKILL
09-27-05, 01:04 AM
I know how DDR works, I was using it as a parallel. HTT sends and receives data at the same time so it has an effective speed of 2000Mhz/1600MHz, just as DDR400 is running at 200MHz but since it sends on the up and down, it's effectively 400MHz.
Interesting... I never really took that into account. Ive never seen anyone else anywhere double them like that, so I was just a bit confused. Seems a bit easier to just leave it at 800\1000 when talking about CPU speeds though, since thats how its displayed and advertised most of the time.

superklye
09-27-05, 01:23 AM
Interesting... I never really took that into account. Ive never seen anyone else anywhere double them like that, so I was just a bit confused. Seems a bit easier to just leave it at 800\1000 when talking about CPU speeds though, since thats how its displayed and advertised most of the time.
Meh, I've seen them as 2GHz or 1.6GHz more often than not, and a lot of times with both speeds...i.e. 800Mhz (1.6GHz).

j0j081
09-27-05, 02:52 AM
Did you know if your mobo's bios supports it you will be able to run turions on your socket 754s?

CHEVYMAN_02
09-27-05, 08:38 AM
I am pi**ed because i just upgrade to PCIE and i got the ECS when something told me to wait but i didn't.

SigmaOrionis
09-29-05, 06:41 AM
I know a very good upgrade option for people with Semprons. How about a 3400+ Newcastle at 2.4 GHZ. I think that might be a decent upgrade from a Sempron.:)

911medic
09-29-05, 07:29 AM
It's too bad the HTT is still only 1600MHz and there still isn't dual channel memory support. They could feasibly add it to the chipset, like the nFORCE2 boards, couldn't they?Most s754 boards can be OC'd up to 1000HTT (2000MHz effective) stably--I know mine gets up to 960 and is only limited by my CPU not wanting to OC more. The Dual Channel DDR would be nice, but it's really not a HUGE performance increase with the low latency provided by the A64 on-die mem controller. Most benches I see show something on par with 3-5% difference.
The HTT isn't a big deal either, as you can decrease your HTT multi quite low before seeing any performance drop (down to like a 2x HTT multi).

superklye
09-29-05, 09:10 AM
Ah, okay. Thanks for the info. :)

anzak
09-29-05, 10:24 AM
Theres simply no future upgradability for the socket, so if you get a sempron now, dont expect to upgrade. Ever.

Nope, the sempron is staying on S754 as are the mobile A64s. AMD has also released a S754 Turon (I believe thats the name) which is on the 90nm process. The only problem is that most desktop mobos don't support it. Hopefully they will with future bios updates.

leekirlew
10-02-05, 09:09 AM
I survived under that rock cause I've got a life

Dazz
10-02-05, 03:50 PM
Yeah HT sends data at 1000MHz up and 1000MHz down. HT does not make too much of a diffrence from 1600 to 2000MHz. I was not expecting SLi for a 754 board Dual channel makes very little diffrence also. Unlike the P4.

rflair
10-02-05, 05:56 PM
Its good to see. And with the new Turion (mobile A64) CPU's, S754 gets 90nm and SSE3, one guy had one of these on a DFI board running 2.8GHz on air.

Still my next sysytem will be dual core and AMD's new socket.

Have to say my S754 system still kicks ass, at 2.5GHz with a 6800GT while not top of the line its more then capable and will live to see better days, probably give it to my brother, that won't be till next summer maybe winter.

CHEVYMAN_02
10-03-05, 01:50 PM
when are they suppose to come out?