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ZoSo
10-02-05, 10:00 AM
I'm looking to get a video card, I'm running an FX5900 w/128 now, and was wondering about how much difference there is between the FX6600 w/256 MB of RAM and the FX6800 w/128MB of RAM.
I don't want to spend too much cash on it because I plan to build a new system right after the new year, but this system will still be used.

Thanks

PaiN
10-02-05, 10:11 AM
I'm kind of in the same boat as I consider up-grading my #2 machine running a FX5700 128mb. I've been back and forth a hundred times and haven't been able to decide :)
I think if you have it narrowed to the two cards....you'd be best off going with the 6800-128mb

MidnightWatcher
10-02-05, 11:37 AM
The 6800 with 128MB of RAM will give you the best performance in most cases with today's games.

Sk8erian
10-02-05, 11:40 AM
Definitely go for the 6800 128mb. It's a faster card, despite having only 128mb. Despite the 6600 having 512mb, it won't do you much good with today's games.

Get the 6800.

Lfctony
10-02-05, 01:12 PM
The 6800 is the better choice, the extra MB are absolutely useless on the 6600.

ZoSo
10-02-05, 06:05 PM
Thanks everyone, I was leaning towards the 6800 and now it's definite.

anzak
10-02-05, 06:43 PM
The 6800 is the better choice, the extra MB are absolutely useless on the 6600.

No it isn't. On my friend's Radeon 9600XT which only has 128mb of memory setting battlefield 2 on high makes it stutter like crazy. The framerate is fine, but it doesn't have enough video memory. I prefer smooth gameplay over really high framerates, but thats just my opinion.

Is it a 6600GT? If so, its isn't that much slower framerate wise than the 6800. If its a plain 6600 then yeah, go for the 6800.

aZn_plyR
10-02-05, 07:47 PM
No it isn't. On my friend's Radeon 9600XT which only has 128mb of memory setting battlefield 2 on high makes it stutter like crazy. The framerate is fine, but it doesn't have enough video memory. I prefer smooth gameplay over really high framerates, but thats just my opinion.

Is it a 6600GT? If so, its isn't that much slower framerate wise than the 6800. If its a plain 6600 then yeah, go for the 6800.

my 6800U with 256mb of real useful ddr3 ram stutters like crazy too with texture on high :P so there... having a lot slower ram on a slower card will do nothing really..

anyways in this case... 6800NU 128mb no question.. the 6800>6600gt.. this is a regular 6600.. which is a lot slower than the 6600gt.. any more questions? lol

anzak
10-02-05, 08:23 PM
my 6800U with 256mb of real useful ddr3 ram stutters like crazy too with texture on high :P so there... having a lot slower ram on a slower card will do nothing really..

The reason battlefield 2 stutters is due to lack of video memory. Even a 256mb card isn't enough for it, think how bad a 128mb card would be.

MidnightWatcher
10-02-05, 08:32 PM
Bottom line is, the best performer overall will be the 6800.

Graphicmaniac
10-02-05, 08:57 PM
get a X800GTO, it eats them both.

MidnightWatcher
10-02-05, 09:44 PM
Get a X850XT, it eats the X800GTO.

mx125race
10-02-05, 10:01 PM
eh i like my 6600 256mb, and might get another for sli...its runs great for me. but i guess the 6800 is better. after overclocking a 6600 256mb, id go with it instead. ur choice though...

j0j081
10-02-05, 10:04 PM
Get a X850XT, it eats the X800GTO.
nah get two 7800gtx in SLI, eats the x850xt for breakfast lunch and dinner.

Lfctony
10-03-05, 11:52 AM
No it isn't. On my friend's Radeon 9600XT which only has 128mb of memory setting battlefield 2 on high makes it stutter like crazy. The framerate is fine, but it doesn't have enough video memory. I prefer smooth gameplay over really high framerates, but thats just my opinion.

Is it a 6600GT? If so, its isn't that much slower framerate wise than the 6800. If its a plain 6600 then yeah, go for the 6800.

Depends on the game though, BF2 is the exception to the rule. A 6600 is too slow for settings that use 256MB of video memory, like with high levels of AA/AF. In the case of BF2, fps are lower but you suffer less from stuttering. In almost all other games though, the 6800 is much more handy to have. You get my point.

msxyz
10-03-05, 12:08 PM
Get a <insert name of unreleased card here>: it eats everything for launch :p

No seriously, if you're on tight budget and you cannot upgrade often, I would save a little more money and wait until you can afford a 6800 with 256MB. While it's true that 256MB on a 6600 are pretty useless, with 128MB on a 6800 you'll end up to be limited as well in some of todays games (bf2, CoD2) and in many more to be released in the following months.

MrBalls
10-03-05, 08:01 PM
Wow, good thing I searched, this was my question as well!

One point to make as far as my situation goes, I'm gaming on a Samsung DLP. Maximum resolution is 1280x720. First.. whats the equal resolution for a non-wide screen set up? Does anybody know?

Secondly, I realize that's a pretty "low" resolution especially in terms of next generation vid cards. So what I'm really looking to do is upgrade from my 5900NU (flashed to a 5950 yada yada, but only with 128 megs), so that I can enjoy running all the nice features and options, shaders, 4xAA and all the rest of the sweetness.

In that situation, is the 6600GT going to meet my requirements just fine or do I need the extra pipes and memory bandwith of the 6800NU? Also, from what I can tell, there's 6600GTs with 256M but those are more expensive than the 6800NU. Is there a point to that, or is it just to make people think more memory = better performance?

Finally.. somebody mentioned a 6800 with 256. Is that available? For a NU?

Thanks!
:afro2:

slick
10-03-05, 08:13 PM
Get a X850XT, it eats the X800GTO.

Get a X800GT02, which costs $200 and easily unlocks and overclocks to an X850XT.

Better yet, wait for the X1600 series.

anzak
10-03-05, 08:18 PM
How much are you willing to spend? Out of the two the 128mb 6800 is better, but you will probably run into memory issues in the near future with games like FEAR on the way.

If you can find a cheap 256mb X800GT or X800 then go for that. If not, then get the 128mb 6800.

MidnightWatcher
10-03-05, 08:27 PM
Do you want AGP or PCIe?

MrBalls
10-03-05, 08:52 PM
Whoops! Sorry guys, I'm AGP only here, don't feel like its the time to do a full system upgrade just yet. My 3.2 PIV seems just fine for right now.

As far as willing to spend, I'm looking for bang for the buck and budget minded, so $200 is my tipping point. As far below that as I can get.

Actually, since it was mentioned, the reason why I want a new card is to play FEAR. Just downloaded the demo finally and it was awesome. But I could definately tell the age of my 5900NU. The effects (explosions) weren't up to par, there was shadow clippings (kinda like they stayed there when they weren't supposed to.. like the gpu was having problems constantly drawing and re-drawing them), and then I just had some stuttering issues with the demo as well.

It was definately slowing down in parts, kinda a dead giveaway that something was going to happen.

But, like I said, I am resolution limited here and don't see myself increasing that limit in the near future (Not going to go buy a new 48" monitor any time soon). So I just want to be able to turn on everything and get it running nice and smooth. (All for under $200) :p

If there's another card I should be looking at, cool. But I'm shying away from ATI cards (which is why I asked on here and not Rage3D), because I've only had issues with a 9600XT I had a while back.

MrBalls
10-03-05, 09:14 PM
Also.. So far the only 6800NUs I can find with 256MBs are PCI versions. It also seems that the PCI versions get not only 256MBs but they also use DDR3 instead of just DDR?

Is that correct? That seems like a huge difference then between the two... :(

anzak
10-04-05, 12:11 AM
Also.. So far the only 6800NUs I can find with 256MBs are PCI versions. It also seems that the PCI versions get not only 256MBs but they also use DDR3 instead of just DDR?

Is that correct? That seems like a huge difference then between the two... :(

Both run at the same speed so it doesn't matter. The lack of memory is though.

Just get the 128mb 6800. At least it has the pixel pushing power to run it, hopefully the memory won't be an issue.

slick
10-04-05, 09:57 AM
Also.. So far the only 6800NUs I can find with 256MBs are PCI versions. It also seems that the PCI versions get not only 256MBs but they also use DDR3 instead of just DDR?

Is that correct? That seems like a huge difference then between the two... :(

The vanilla 6800's use DDR1 across the line, PCI-e or AGP. PCI-e versions have 256mb, but it is clocked 100mhz slower then AGP's (600mhz vs 700mhz). Most AGP 6800's can unlock the 4 extra pipes, can't do that on the PCI-e 6800's.

Your best bet would be the AGP 6800, they sell for ~$160 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Manufactory=&PropertyCodeValue=679%3A9573&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=696%3A9639&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&description=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&SubCategory=48&Submit=Property) (I would go with Leadtek). It still has pretty good performance on most games today, and if you're lucky you can unlock the pipes.