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overheat
10-03-05, 10:40 AM
Are you a little nervous that maybe the X1800 XT rape the 7800gtx
I am a little, I hope that their almost even in performance.
|MaguS|
10-03-05, 10:42 AM
I honestly could care less, Im happy with what I got.
overheat
10-03-05, 10:44 AM
the only reason Im nervous is because with taxes it cost me almost 1600$ canadien dollars for 2 7800gtx (1,371.60 us) and would feel a little rip off if the x1800 xt was a lot faster.
Ninjaman09
10-03-05, 10:44 AM
Yeah, I really don't care. I don't see what the big deal is. If your card is fast enough to play games at an acceptable (to you) level of detail, then what does it matter? The only vested interest I have in the R520 is that it will advance 3D graphics and in that regard I'm rooting for it. But I'm not gonna freak out and sell my GTXs or anything.
|MaguS|
10-03-05, 10:46 AM
the only reason Im nervous is because with taxes it cost me almost 1600$ canadien dollars for 2 7800gtx and would feel a little rip off if the x1800 xt was a lot faster.
2x7800GTX is far better then anything that ATI can deliver. If you want to go crossfire, it will cost you far more then going SLi.
It doesn't make any sense to hope a newer card is slower or the same as an older one. We should all want every new card to be faster. Even if it's not worth the upgrade for us yet, or we just don't have the $$ to go ahead and get it. It still doesn't change the speed of your current card.
All it brings is good competition, and forces the other company to come up with a better card next time. In the end that is going to be a really good thing for us.
The big two companies in graphics trying their hardest to better their competitor just means we all end up with really fast & advanced cards.
I hope the R520 is waaaay faster than the G70 and I hope the G75 (or whatever the next will be) is waaay faster than the R520 and so on and so on. It's all good for us in the end.
Ninjaman09
10-03-05, 10:58 AM
2x7800GTX is far better then anything that ATI can deliver. If you want to go crossfire, it will cost you far more then going SLi.
Yep, and be prepared to wait - R520 Crossfire isn't going to be available for a WHILE.
Yep, and be prepared to wait - R520 Crossfire isn't going to be available for a WHILE.
How long? Do you have any information or links you could share? I haven't heard anything about it yet.
sytaylor
10-03-05, 11:11 AM
Why do you think it's taken ATI so long to launch? nVidia really raised the bar with the last two products. No question the X1800XT is gonna be very close to if not in some circumstances better than the 7800GTX, but by this point GTX owners have had their card in their machines for months.
Ninjaman09
10-03-05, 11:15 AM
How long? Do you have any information or links you could share? I haven't heard anything about it yet.
Blarg, I can't find the article now. I read that it would be near the end of the year before we saw R520 Crossfire edition cards. And it wasn't the Inquirer. :D
Blarg, I can't find the article now. I read that it would be near the end of the year before we saw R520 Crossfire edition cards. And it wasn't the Inquirer. :D
Okay, thanks. I'm sure they will have to say something official about it on launch anyway. I doubt they will leave Crossfire information out. Let's just hope it's better than the crappy X800 Crossfire.
Are you a little nervous that maybe the X1800 XT rape the 7800gtx
I am a little, I hope that their almost even in performance.
Your fear is only one of bragging rights. Two 7800GTXs will be faster than the X1800XT. The thing you have to be comfortable with is that you are goetting your money's worth. In the time you have had the GTXs, versus the time wasted waiting on what appears to be another paper launch at ATI (10/5 for press, 11/5 for availability), have you gotten your money's worth of gaming?
That question is made even more difficult by the assumption that the Crossifire set up required to be faster than your GTX set up, will be as expensive, if not more, than what you paid. If, the impossible if, the X1800XT PE were to be faster than the dual GTX set up you have and have had for many months, have you gotten the $800 canadian (assuming the X180XT will be $800 canuck at release in the Great White North) worth of gaming out of your system from the time you bought to the time you could buy an X1800XT? See what I mean?
It is the same thing you have to deal with when buying hardware at release. You know the price will drop, but will you get your money's worth in that time.
Now on to that IF, we all know that the odds of the X1800XT beating an SLI GTX or even 7800GT are pretty much slim to none.
Lfctony
10-03-05, 11:40 AM
Bah, why should I be worried? My card's speed remains the same whether the X1800XT is slower or faster. People that pay attention to bragging rights might care, but I don't. :)
superklye
10-03-05, 11:41 AM
the only reason Im nervous is because with taxes it cost me almost 1600$ canadien dollars for 2 7800gtx (1,371.60 us) and would feel a little rip off if the x1800 xt was a lot faster.
I think people seem to forget that at the high end of the high end, if one card is a little (or hell, a LOT) faster than the other: it really doesn't matter. Both cards are insanely fast and both play games great, one just gets a few more frames/sec that you probably can't even notice anyway.
Let's just say that a 7800GTX gets 40FPS in FEAR. So if the X1800 XT get 60...does it REALLY matter? Can you really see those extra 20 frames? I know what people are going to say to argue this, but that's not the point. The point is that either card rocks, one is just faster and the extra speed doesn't really do much good now anyway.
Future games, it may be nice, but you can always get SLi. :)
I think it would be a major blow to ATI if they delayed this long and then released a card that was about the same speed or slower than the GTX. So, I guess I expect it to be faster and enough to notice it. The rule of thumb is that something needs to be at least 10% faster to notice it so I guess I expect it to be at least 10% faster than a GTX overall.
But, like others have said, it's nothing to really worry about. Our systems are still plenty fast. You can't be on top forever since there is always something else just around the corner that will be faster.
overheat
10-03-05, 11:55 AM
seriously....for the moment I did not have my money worth.........BUT in mid october and after, when the new game like fear, quake 4, black and white 2 etc will come out I guess I will see the value of my new system
Zelda_fan
10-03-05, 01:28 PM
Are you a little nervous that maybe the X1800 XT rape the 7800gtx
I am a little, I hope that their almost even in performance.
In all honesty I hope the X1800 does rape the 7800 series. I hope it gets 4x the performance. The faster the R520 is, the more options is gives me when I upgrade to my new computer.
At best I think it will be:
Unified Shader Model (WGF 2.0 ready)
1.5x the performance of the 7800GTX
never before seen GPU features
What I think it will be:
Not unified shader model
~same performance as 7800GTX
SM3.0 and that's it
Jesus christ, this happens every freaking time a new card is announced.
No card will "rape" another card.
It will be just like every other time in history, one will do better in some games, one will do better in others, then the other company will come out with a new one that does better in some other games, but not as good in others and then the first company will come out with another.
if you get your panties in a knot every time a new card is coming then I hope there is medication for it.
The 7800 gtx was and is king of the hill and before that, the 6800 gt was the card to have and the ultras were respected.
Ati will release something and guess what, nvidia will release something after that and so on and so on.
SlyBoots
10-03-05, 04:45 PM
Jesus christ, this happens every freaking time a new card is announced.
No card will "rape" another card.
It will be just like every other time in history, one will do better in some games, one will do better in others, then the other company will come out with a new one that does better in some other games, but not as good in others and then the first company will come out with another.
if you get your panties in a knot every time a new card is coming then I hope there is medication for it.
The 7800 gtx was and is king of the hill and has been for about a year now.
Ati will release something and guess what, nvidia will release something after that and so on and so on.
what alternate reality do you live in? FYI the 7800's have been out a little ove 3 months:p
Saintster
10-03-05, 04:59 PM
the only reason Im nervous is because with taxes it cost me almost 1600$ canadien dollars for 2 7800gtx (1,371.60 us) and would feel a little rip off if the x1800 xt was a lot faster.
The price to run dual 7800 gtx cards is absurd in the first place. I've been waiting for Ati to launch so I could make my decision. I am guessing it's close to that of a gtx but what is going to sway me is Image Quality,who has the better graphic quality for me it's what high end cards are about.
FraGTastiK
10-03-05, 05:07 PM
Anyone else noticed how ATi couldnt hide that they are feeling very bad about losing the 3DMark05 crown (174xx) for a long time now?knowing that their hardware is said to have more vertex processing power wich fits to have better 3DMark05 scores.
that really shows,considering they have LN2 containers on official X1800XT launch ceremony.IMO this is so unprofessional for a big company like ATi,resorting to extreme OCing right on the launch date to set 3Dmark scores.
usually OCers would independently go for that kind of thing in a week after launch.
and its more than obviuos that the OCers that they invited there are getting best of the best cores (cherry picked cards) ATi had time to test and pick up for this kind of job.
performance and IQ of the card is yet to be seen and we want it to be good for the sake of competition but resorting to these kind of desperate measures for a score on an official launch event is just a turn off for me.
hello ladies and gentlemen this is our cherry picked X1800XT and this is our LN2 container we are gonna show you some insane numbers right now,we have to have that 5 digit number for us right now,hang on.
Mudcrutch
10-03-05, 05:08 PM
my prediction --
1. ati will release the card and demo it to reporters/press using the loast coast demo from valve.
2. the single card and their crossfire configs will beat the 7800gtx's in carefully constructed tests probabably by a large margin.
3. ati will use their tests to promote their own card (like every other manufacturer does)
4. Weeks later 3rd party sites and gamers will conclude on their own that the 7800 series is a little bit better than ati's line.
5. atiers will stick to ati and nvidia fans will stick to nvidia because the difference is once again personal preference.
case closed.
Damage control before the card is even launched!:eek:
Just wait a few days and you can bash ATi and X1800 then.:angel:
In all honesty I hope the X1800 ... gets 4x the performance. The faster the R520 is, the more options is gives me when I upgrade to my new computer.
Maybe, maybe not. What if NVidia decides, in response to a highly competitive product, to pull some members of the team off of, say, G80, and devote resources to a product in response? That would delay the introduction of the G80, would it not?
I don't think that is likely, btw. NVidia seems like they know how to keep the corporate eye on the money-ball. If they feel they've wrapped the business for the rest of the year, presumably they can devote more attention to G80. It's also pretty clear where the 580 is going to fall, and that should get them hustling down the performance highway.
jmho,
-Dave
Vagrant Zero
10-03-05, 08:06 PM
It doesn't make any sense to hope a newer card is slower or the same as an older one. We should all want every new card to be faster. Even if it's not worth the upgrade for us yet, or we just don't have the $$ to go ahead and get it. It still doesn't change the speed of your current card.
Ya except the R520 isn't a "newer" card, it's a delayed card.
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