Catholic Church no longer swears Bible to be all true

[UDawg]

I was educated by nuns and Jesuit priests growing up in catholic schools.
They taught me that what's important about the Bible is the meaning and lessons of Jesus, not the stories that contain them. These stories have been re-written, edited, translated, and changed by many kings and countryies over 2 millenia.
Most of those stories were exaggerated to make them more exciting and easier to understand for the mostly illiterate and simple people ancient times. You want people to come see your movie, you gotta have special effects, right? Same with getting people to join your religion.
For example, the Parting of the Red Sea. The Isrealites crossed the swampy area on foot during low tide. When the Egyptians followed several days later, the tide had risen, Egyptian horses became stuck in the mud, and the area had become flooded and unpassable. Thus the Isrealites escaped thanks to nature and God.
Another example, The Multiplication of Loaves. Some people in the crowd are too poor to have food, some are rich and bring more than they need. Jesus asks one of them to share what food she brought. By his example, those in the crowd who had lots of food stashed away shared it with the poor. Thus there was plenty for everybody.
It's the lesson that matters, not the magic. That stuff's for the lil kids.
Then I shall remain a lil kid. :)

[Jazzy jeff]

I was educated by nuns and Jesuit priests growing up in catholic schools.
They taught me that what's important about the Bible is the meaning and lessons of Jesus, not the stories that contain them. These stories have been re-written, edited, translated, and changed by many kings and countryies over 2 millenia.
Most of those stories were exaggerated to make them more exciting and easier to understand for the mostly illiterate and simple people ancient times. You want people to come see your movie, you gotta have special effects, right? Same with getting people to join your religion.
For example, the Parting of the Red Sea. The Isrealites crossed the swampy area on foot during low tide. When the Egyptians followed several days later, the tide had risen, Egyptian horses became stuck in the mud, and the area had become flooded and unpassable. Thus the Isrealites escaped thanks to nature and God.
Another example, The Multiplication of Loaves. Some people in the crowd are too poor to have food, some are rich and bring more than they need. Jesus asks one of them to share what food she brought. By his example, those in the crowd who had lots of food stashed away shared it with the poor. Thus there was plenty for everybody.
It's the lesson that matters, not the magic. That stuff's for the lil kids.

Another fine example of a Catholic who doesn't believe the Bible!

[CybrSage]

Another fine example of a Catholic who doesn't believe the Bible!

Yet adds items to it:

Mary was not a virgin anymore after she gave birth to Jesus...Jesus had a brother.
Mary died like everyone else, she did not ascend into Heaven.
Mary was not perfect, she sinned...she even says as much in the Bible.
Peter was not a priest, he was a revolutionary.
The Bible calls the prohibition of marriage a "doctrine of demons", yet Priests are forbidden to marry.

[Ghosthunter]

I was educated by nuns and Jesuit priests growing up in catholic schools.
They taught me that what's important about the Bible is the meaning and lessons of Jesus, not the stories that contain them. These stories have been re-written, edited, translated, and changed by many kings and countryies over 2 millenia.
Most of those stories were exaggerated to make them more exciting and easier to understand for the mostly illiterate and simple people ancient times. You want people to come see your movie, you gotta have special effects, right? Same with getting people to join your religion.
For example, the Parting of the Red Sea. The Isrealites crossed the swampy area on foot during low tide. When the Egyptians followed several days later, the tide had risen, Egyptian horses became stuck in the mud, and the area had become flooded and unpassable. Thus the Isrealites escaped thanks to nature and God.
Another example, The Multiplication of Loaves. Some people in the crowd are too poor to have food, some are rich and bring more than they need. Jesus asks one of them to share what food she brought. By his example, those in the crowd who had lots of food stashed away shared it with the poor. Thus there was plenty for everybody.
It's the lesson that matters, not the magic. That stuff's for the lil kids.



I agree with that right on!

[UDawg]

Yet adds items to it:

Mary was not a virgin anymore after she gave birth to Jesus...Jesus had a brother.
Mary died like everyone else, she did not ascend into Heaven.
Mary was not perfect, she sinned...she even says as much in the Bible.
Peter was not a priest, he was a revolutionary.
The Bible calls the prohibition of marriage a "doctrine of demons", yet Priests are forbidden to marry.
I don't see any reason to beat up on Catholics.

[Jazzy jeff]

I dont want to sound like I am Catholic bashing, but the Roman Catholic church has passed on so many untruths down through the ages that it's hard to be nice to them on this topic - i.e. downplaying the truths of the Bible; the credibility of Evolution; worshipping crosses, priests and saints; the Divinity of Mary; the infallibility of the Pope; never-ending torment in Hell and worst of all that you have to earn your Salvation by doing good works. Only the Bible reveals these untruths for what they are, and in today's world it's considered little more than a fairy-tale.

[UDawg]

I dont want to sound like I am Catholic bashing, but the Roman Catholic church has passed on so many untruths down through the ages that it's hard to be nice to them on this topic - i.e. downplaying the truths of the Bible; the credibility of Evolution; worshipping crosses, priests and saints; the Divinity of Mary; the infallibility of the Pope; never-ending torment in Hell and worst of all that you have to earn your Salvation by doing good works. Only the Bible reveals these untruths for what they are, and in today's world it's considered little more than a fairy-tale.
I agree with you. At the same time we have enough division with in Chiristianity, we don't need the extra bashing of the Catholic church.

[CybrSage]

This entire thread is about how the Catholic Church says the Bible is no longer the truth, that we should pick and choose what we like in it and disregard the rest.

Seems a bit of bashing is needed!

[UDawg]

This entire thread is about how the Catholic Church says the Bible is no longer the truth, that we should pick and choose what we like in it and disregard the rest.

Seems a bit of bashing is needed!
Thanks captain obvious.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~joe14580/captain%20obvious.jpg

[CybrSage]

Ok, lets try to follow your logic:

CybrSage: Bash Catholics for saying the Bible is not true.
UDawg: Hey, no need to bash Catholics.
CybrSage: Um, why not, this is a thread about Catholics saying the Bible is not true, we should bash them for it.
UDawg: Thanks Captain Obvious.

OK, where did your train of thought derail and fall into the abyss. Personally, I think it was between the Don't bash Catholics and the Capt. Obvious.

Maybe I should bash Bush in a thread about Catholics debasing Christianity instead...would that be more on topic for you?

[DonB]

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[Jazzy jeff]

I have a study guide for you, it's called 'the Bible' - for stupid catholics who worship idols. You can pick one up at any book store, and you'll need at least a 3rd grade education to read it. Be warned; catholic doctrines and Bible doctrines are very different. Catholic doctrines exalt man, while Bible doctrines exalt God!!!!!

[DaveW]

Yes damn those evil Catholics... perhaps you other christian sects would like to declare a Jihad against them?

Really, if you christians can't stop arguing amongst yourselves as to whos the "real" christians and who isn't, how do you expect to convince non-christians that yours is the one true faith?

[Jazzy jeff]

Yes damn those evil Catholics... perhaps you other christian sects would like to declare a Jihad against them?

Really, if you christians can't stop arguing amongst yourselves as to whos the "real" christians and who isn't, how do you expect to convince non-christians that yours is the one true faith?

If you study history Catholics have killed more people for disagreeing with them than anyone else. And the great thing about this country is that I have the freedom of speech - so put that in your pipe and smoke it - atheist puke!

[Ghosthunter]

Yes damn those evil Catholics... perhaps you other christian sects would like to declare a Jihad against them?

Really, if you christians can't stop arguing amongst yourselves as to whos the "real" christians and who isn't, how do you expect to convince non-christians that yours is the one true faith?


Good point.

Plus if it were not for the Roman Catholic Church, Christianity more then likely would not be around today.

[DaveW]

so put that in your pipe and smoke it - atheist puke!

I'm not an atheist, christian puke!

[UDawg]

Ok, lets try to follow your logic:

CybrSage: Bash Catholics for saying the Bible is not true.
UDawg: Hey, no need to bash Catholics.
CybrSage: Um, why not, this is a thread about Catholics saying the Bible is not true, we should bash them for it.
UDawg: Thanks Captain Obvious.

OK, where did your train of thought derail and fall into the abyss. Personally, I think it was between the Don't bash Catholics and the Capt. Obvious.

Maybe I should bash Bush in a thread about Catholics debasing Christianity instead...would that be more on topic for you?
Cyber, don't try to act cute with me. I'm not a liberal. ;)

My point was you stated the obvious. One person in this thread was starting to go after Catholics instead of discussing the topic. There is a difference.
Now stop being anal and trying to make up arguments where there isn't any or any worth arguing about.

Yes damn those evil Catholics... perhaps you other christian sects would like to declare a Jihad against them?

Really, if you christians can't stop arguing amongst yourselves as to whos the "real" christians and who isn't, how do you expect to convince non-christians that yours is the one true faith?
This is the exact reason why I said there isn't any need to bash Christians. Seeing this from a person who is not a Christian only strengthens my position but if you kids want to keep on fighting amonst your selves about whom are the real Christians then have at it.

[Jazzy jeff]

I'm not an atheist, christian puke!

So what are you then? You bash creation every chance you get, so your not a Christian. I guess your a Catholic, because their not Christians either.

[Ringthane]

So what are you then? You bash creation every chance you get, so your not a Christian. I guess your a Catholic, because their not Christians either.

If you're an example of a Christian, then count me out.

[Jazzy jeff]

Good point.

Plus if it were not for the Roman Catholic Church, Christianity more then likely would not be around today.

I seriously doubt it. The word Christian implies that Christ is the focus. Catholics worship his cross, his heart, his mother and his apostles, but they miss the mark when it comes to Jesus. If it weren't so sad it would almost be funny.

[Jazzy jeff]

If you're an example of a Christian, then count me out.

Blond bimbos couldn't be Christians if they wanted to.

[UDawg]

So what are you then? You bash creation every chance you get, so your not a Christian. I guess your a Catholic, because their not Christians either.
Are you Southern Baptist?

It is not for you to judge the condition of a persons heart.


Romans 2

1You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

Romans 2

17Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and brag about your relationship to God; 18if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself?

What you have done is the exact thing these two passages are talking about. First off your judgement on their salvation is sinfull. Secondly your arrogance is shamefull. While I agree that the practices they follow are extra biblical and not of God, it is not my place to say they are not Christians. I know many Catholics who believe in being reborn and there is a reformation in US Catholic churches. I hope you will reconsider your judgement of Catholics for your own sake.

It is a very different thing to say that those who do not believe in Christ as Messiah are not saved, because the bible says so and to say a person who believes in Christ is not saved because he may be going in a bad direction. This is the truth because we who are saved ALL go away from God in one form or another.

If you're an example of a Christian, then count me out.
I agree and I am a evangelical Christian.

[Ghosthunter]

I seriously doubt it. The word Christian implies that Christ is the focus. Catholics worship his cross, his heart, his mother and his apostles, but they miss the mark when it comes to Jesus. If it weren't so sad it would almost be funny.


I am not going to get it into it again..just google Constantine, Rome,

[Ninjaman09]

Are you Southern Baptist?
Hang on now, don't lump Southern Baptists in with this guy. While many of them are outspoken, I know quite a few who would never act like he does. He's just a raving lunatic, best ignored until he crawls back to whatever cesspool he was spawned from.

[UDawg]

Hang on now, don't lump Southern Baptists in with this guy. While many of them are outspoken, I know quite a few who would never act like he does. He's just a raving lunatic, best ignored until he crawls back to whatever cesspool he was spawned from.
I am not slamming Souther Baptists. I am asking if he is. The reason is that many Souther Baptists do believe Catholics are not Christians, more so than other denominations. It just helps me get a better perspective on his point of view. I am not saying only Souther Baptists think this. Many other denominations do also.