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Ninjaman09
10-07-05, 03:14 PM
That only applies if you believe it in the first place. Perception is reality. What else do we have to base our reality on? Any universal truth can be false if it is not believed in your own head. It is the victim of a given person opinion.
You are only saying that because the Flying Spaghetti Monster is manipulating your mind with His Noodly Appendage.
Ghosthunter
10-07-05, 03:24 PM
Are you saying that Christianity was made poppular by Constantine? ROFL!!! I always thought that JESUS made it popular. Oh well, you learn something new everyday.
Yes becuase up until 300 AD...Christianity was frowned upon and looked as a cult.
It had less then 10,000 followers, though exact number is unknown.
Constantine was the first Emporer to convert Christianity and paved the way for Christianity to spread through the Roman empire which led it to spread even further. Which btw Constantine was not a great Christian to begin with he had his son and wife killed after he converted but that another story.
Many historians feel Constantine really pushed Christianity for political reasons only.
The question is if Constantine did not do everything would Christianity still be around today? Or would it be considered a myth like Issis and other Roman and Greek gods? Truth is we will never know.
Constantine was the turning point for Christianity.
I hate to put a to put a further damper on the parade, but God says that it is not Him that sends a person to hell, but it's the choice of you not accepting Him that sends a person to hell.
Then God is a liar. If God is all powerful, then he can decide who goes to hell and who doesn't. There may be rules, but he can change the rules as he chooses. He could also erase everyone's memories of what the rules used to be so that nobody would know he was a hypocrit.
DiscipleDOC
10-07-05, 03:38 PM
Then God is a liar. If God is all powerful, then he can decide who goes to hell and who doesn't. There may be rules, but he can change the rules as he chooses. He could also erase everyone's memories of what the rules used to be so that nobody would know he was a hypocrit.
Nope. It makes Him righteous. He would be a liar if He makes a law, and change it for the sake of one human. God's only rule is for us to admit that we are all sinners, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, and you'll never have to worry about going to hell.
In the bible God is described as a Jealous God. Arent these traits he tells us not to have?
Nope. It makes Him righteous. He would be a liar if He makes a law, and change it for the sake of one human. God's only rule is for us to admit that we are all sinners, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, and you'll never have to worry about going to hell.
As long as you choose the *right* God and the *right* saviour to believe in. Most religions are mutually exclusive.
Whats worse? not believing in God, or worshipping the wrong one?
In the bible God is described as a Jealous God. Arent these traits he tells us not to have?
LOL nice new nick and avatar :D
DiscipleDOC
10-07-05, 04:41 PM
In the bible God is described as a Jealous God. Arent these traits he tells us not to have?
Your point? Because of that, you're not going to accept Him? Please. If you want to spend an eternity in a fiery, forever-tormenting place because you don't like the fact that He's a jealous God, then you really have problems, my friend.
You know, it seemsfunny that whenever we have these discussions, people that do not normally POST in the PR forum post here? Curious. :wtf:
Whats worse? not believing in God, or worshipping the wrong one?
They are equal.
DiscipleDOC
10-07-05, 04:46 PM
Most religions are mutually exclusive. I don't get where you're going with this.
Whats worse? not believing in God, or worshipping the wrong one?
God sees all sins as equally wrong. We as humans have put a value on what sin is tolerable and what sin is not.
We can go at this all day, and you still not believe. Believing is a choice, and if you're not ready to make this choice, then you'll always have questions. More power to you, bro.
Global truth. At 100 degrees, water boils. That is a fact that can not be argued.
I think it boils at a lower temperature in a vacuum. It also boils at a lower temperature if you add salt to it. But anyway...
Jesus has existed, and IS existing. That is a global truth.
Your comparing apples to oranges. If you doubt the boiling point of water you can boil some yourself and add a thermometer. You can't prove that Jesus's spirit is alive and well through experiment.
One belief is based on faith, the other is not.
Because you do not except this doest not make it any more true-r (:D), or not. God does not need an individual to believe in Him for Him to exist.
Neither does the flying spagetti monster. And just because that analogy pisses off christians, doesn't make the analogy any less accurate.
You can argue that a persons belief or lack of belief does not change the truth of something but only if the truth can be proven independant of personal belief. For example the true (approx) boiling point of water can be proven, regardless of what any personally believes it to be.
With religion though, there is no independant scientific or logical course you can turn to. You can't prove God exists, and you can't prove one religion over the other. Peoples religious opinions are based on their personal faith, and whats true to one person is false to another.
So you can't argue to a non-believer that you believe is as true as the boiling point of water. To you it is, but to others it is not. Religious belief is from a personal perspective, the boiling point of water can be proven to everyone regardless of their perspective.
Your point? Because of that, you're not going to accept Him? Please. If you want to spend an eternity in a fiery, forever-tormenting place because you don't like the fact that He's a jealous God, then you really have problems, my friend.
You know, it seemsfunny that whenever we have these discussions, people that do not normally POST in the PR forum post here? Curious. :wtf:
Ha nice way to answer the question.
God sees all sins as equally wrong. We as humans have put a value on what sin is tolerable and what sin is not.
Don't some people believe in different levels of hell? E.g. cheating on your wife is not as bad as murdering a bunch of people?
DiscipleDOC
10-07-05, 05:10 PM
LOL...Again, DaveW, just because you do not believe does not make Him not exist. If you want to dismiss it as whatever, than that's your perrogative. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise.
That's the beauty of my Lord and Saviour. He's not going to make you do something you don't want to do. If He did, then that WOULD make Him a liar. He stands at the door of your heart, knocking. You have to choose to let Him in. If you did, you would not be disappointed.
DiscipleDOC
10-07-05, 05:12 PM
Don't some people believe in different levels of hell? E.g. cheating on your wife is not as bad as murdering a bunch of people?
Dave, no disrespect, but I could care less what others believe. Jesus said that hell is a place of forever torment. Regardless of whatever "level" you're on, it seems to me that it is still a painful one.
I don't believe any of you exist. This is all a computer generated forum with bots posting for my enjoyment.
Saint Lucifer
10-07-05, 06:41 PM
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chardingLLNL
10-07-05, 07:12 PM
UDawg, Mr. Hunt:
We can argue this point until we are blue in the face, but people that want to live their lifestyle will still have their excuses. Romans 1:28 says:
I know that this quote has probably ticked some people off here, but it's too true. In fact, I know that my sig has made people email me and ask me to delete it, but I'm not...because it's the truth.
I've decided that I will not debate in this thread, because this is a circular argument.
Yes, your mention of a Micro$oft lamo b0rken pseudo-OS in your sig *is* pretty offensive. ;)
Yes, your mention of a Micro$oft lamo b0rken pseudo-OS in your sig *is* pretty offensive. ;)
you registered just to say that.... now that offensive :rolleyes:
Ghosthunter
10-07-05, 07:51 PM
Nope. It makes Him righteous. He would be a liar if He makes a law, and change it for the sake of one human. God's only rule is for us to admit that we are all sinners, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, and you'll never have to worry about going to hell.
Who cares about going to Hell...if what you say is true then I rather be in hell with the rest of us sinners...besides most of my family and friends will be in this supposed Hell..and I rather be where they are
Hell is just one of the tools man uses to control other men, as is the rest of organized religion.
DiscipleDOC
10-07-05, 07:58 PM
Who cares about going to Hell...if what you say is true then I rather be in hell with the rest of us sinners...besides most of my family and friends will be in this supposed Hell..and I rather be where they are
Hell is just one of the tools man uses to control other men, as is the rest of organized religion.
Like I said...I'm not trying to convice you. You've alread got your mind made up. Text messaging you on a forum is not going to change your destination.
Ghosthunter
10-07-05, 08:21 PM
Like I said...I'm not trying to convice you. You've alread got your mind made up. Text messaging you on a forum is not going to change your destination.
Until I see proof and Jesus comes to me I dont believe.
Sorry but revelation does not come from the bible. As Thomas Paine says:
"Revelation when applied to religion, means something communicated immediately from God to man.
It is a contradiction in terms and ideas to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication. After this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner, for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him."
sytaylor
10-07-05, 08:39 PM
Perception can be deceived, also. What you may think is real, may not be real at all.
There are 2 types of truths: Local, and global.
Local truth is truth that is true to you. Example: It's 78 degrees outside and someone says that it's cold. You look at that person and says that you're burning up. Who's being truthful?
Global truth. At 100 degrees, water boils. That is a fact that can not be argued. Jesus has existed, and IS existing. That is a global truth. Because you do not except this doest not make it any more true-r (:D), or not. God does not need an individual to believe in Him for Him to exist.
Global truth can be verified by a 3rd party. The point I'm making is that belief is a "mass" local truth. It feels real so it becomes real, the perception is reality. As apposed to something which can be tested.
zakelwe
10-07-05, 09:06 PM
I'm not too sure about the Bible, it's overpriced and not a very good read.
Compare it to The Da Vinci Code, that's only £3.99 from Amazon yet the bible is over £7 for the King James version. Both are not true but Dan Brown's book at least keeps up a fast pace whilst, quite frankly, the Bible bogs down at times ( do we really need 10 pages on how to make an arc of the covenent ? )
It was alright in it's hey day but things have progressed. Maybe JK Rowling can do a version to pep it up a bit.
Regards
Andy
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