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Global truth can be verified by a 3rd party. The point I'm making is that belief is a "mass" local truth. It feels real so it becomes real, the perception is reality. As apposed to something which can be tested.
You guys keep arguing the same scientific argument over and over as if we don't get it. We do get it. We are not stupid. We are arguing a spiritual point. This is where you guys don't get it. Since you don't believe in the spiritual then the agument is a none-starter. Why you keep bringing up the same dull argument that does not apply to spiritual matters is beyone me.
You think we are silly tin-foil hat Jesus freaks and that is perfectly ok with me. The funny thing is you guys are trying so hard to convince us we are wrong, at the same time you guys always cry about Christians shove our beliefs down your throats. Well it is you guys that keep doing it to us. I have not tried go convince anyone that God exists on this forum. I have debated what scripture means when people with little knowledge try to twist what it means for their own false argument.
Now step back and take a look at your argument and what you are doing. It is exactly what you claim we do. Your argument should serve this forum better in the hypocracy thread I created and not this thread. :D
sytaylor
10-07-05, 09:36 PM
Its when an ultimate truth is defined, and then that rule is broken to satisfy belief that it slaps me in teh face that something has gone wrong somewhere. It's like an itch I just have to scratch.
zakelwe
10-07-05, 09:39 PM
The funny thing is you guys are trying so hard to convince us we are wrong, at the same time you guys always cry about Christians shove our beliefs down your throats. Well it is you guys that keep doing it to us.
Really? How many Christian channels are there on cable and how many atheist ?
Regards
Andy
no offense, but it is clear you have a very skewed and bias perspective on history.
Saying that Constantine is the sole reason Christianity became as popular as it is today is pretty ignorant. Obviously you are some sort of omniscient history god, becasue you know the exact reason why the world's largest religion has become so popular.
The truth is, maybe Christianity is so popular becasue it makes a lot of sense. You don't want to admit that so you use Constantine as a scapegoat in order to get to sleep at night. That's all fine and dandy, but don't go around parading that you are a historical buff and know the exact reason of Christianity's success when you really have no clue.
He has a point. Without the Roman Empire's adoption of christianity, it would never have spread nor become engendered to the degree it did in our psyche's. Hellenistic and roman beliefs would have continued to be the dominant though instead of christianity so yes, Constantine played a HUGE role in the seeding of christianity.
Before the roman empire adopted it, it was simply a pagan belief structure. No more, no less.
Really? How many Christian channels are there on cable and how many atheist ?
Regards
Andy
Huh? All the rest of the channels are atheistic. Anyway you don't have to watch them so they are not shoving anything down your throats.
Shamrock
10-07-05, 11:23 PM
Really? How many Christian channels are there on cable and how many atheist ?
Regards
Andy
ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, Movie Channel, SPEEDTV, WB, UPN, TBS, TNT, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN classics, ESPN News, USA, Sci Fi, FX, Comedy Central, PAX, Biography, History, National Geographic, Discovery, TLC, Animal Planet, Science, Military, MTV,MTV2, VH1,DISNEY, Disney 2, TOON, Boomtown, Cartoon Network, WGN, SpikeTV, G4TV, Starz, Encore, WAM, FLiX, Playboy, Spice, and that's just some of the channels on DirectTV. This isnt even counting the latin, spanish, and music channels.
AlphaWolf_HK
10-07-05, 11:50 PM
Wait...is that the christian list or the secular list? I am seeing hardcore versions of both in there...
I mean take PAX for example...definitely a christian channel. And then theres playboy...which is definitely a playboy channel.
Shamrock
10-08-05, 01:52 AM
PAX isnt a Christian channel, they are a "family oriented" channel. And it's the secular list...I just looked on my DSS description, and they show things like "game shows, off network favorites, movies and specials for the whole family" But in the end, it's far from Christian station, such as CBN
ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, Movie Channel, SPEEDTV, WB, UPN, TBS, TNT, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN classics, ESPN News, USA, Sci Fi, FX, Comedy Central, PAX, Biography, History, National Geographic, Discovery, TLC, Animal Planet, Science, Military, MTV,MTV2, VH1,DISNEY, Disney 2, TOON, Boomtown, Cartoon Network, WGN, SpikeTV, G4TV, Starz, Encore, WAM, FLiX, Playboy, Spice, and that's just some of the channels on DirectTV. This isnt even counting the latin, spanish, and music channels.
These other channels espouse atheism? They advocate it?
No?
Ok then.
Capt. Picard
10-08-05, 05:59 AM
I believe there are WMDs in Iraq.
Just think how easy it is to hide a couple of truckloads in a cave and blast the entrance shut. I can do that on my uncle's farm so that nobody in a hundred years will find it.
what the hell are you talking about?....
These other channels espouse atheism? They advocate it?
No?
Ok then.
No, but atheists rarely advocate atheism because its not a belief, its a lack of belief. Its like a tv station routinely advertising that it does NOT show the Simpsons every evening.
No, but atheists rarely advocate atheism because its not a belief, its a lack of belief. Its like a tv station routinely advertising that it does NOT show the Simpsons every evening.
LOL, it is atheists that are tryign to get rid of all religion from public life. Come one don't say funny things unless you are trying to be funny. :D
These other channels espouse atheism? They advocate it?
No?
Ok then.
Their whole philosophy is atheistic. They espouse their beliefs by roll modeling it. Roll modeling speaks louder than a person trying to talk you into believing.
sytaylor
10-08-05, 01:54 PM
LOL, it is atheists that are tryign to get rid of all religion from public life. Come one don't say funny things unless you are trying to be funny. :D
Well no, they're just not promoting it. Difference.
Ghosthunter
10-08-05, 02:06 PM
Their whole philosophy is atheistic. They espouse their beliefs by roll modeling it. Roll modeling speaks louder than a person trying to talk you into believing.
no it called capitalism and they put on TV what sells.
myself personally i dont care if there is a christian channel, a muslim channel, and an eastern philosphy channel, if it is something i am not interested in i will just change the channel.
My biggest concerns when it comes to christianity, the bible and all other major religioins is religious tolerance towards others.
Well no, they're just not promoting it. Difference.
LOL I reject your notion that the promotion of my faith is a bad thing. Seconly, roll modeling is much more effecitve a way of promoting a idea. You can even do it with out actually thinking about promoting it. Actions speek louder than words. So it is a promotion.
no it called capitalism and they put on TV what sells.
Capitalism is secular by its nature. It is secular TV whether you want to admit it or not. Just saying it is capitalism doesn't change the fact taht it is still secular
My biggest concerns when it comes to christianity, the bible and all other major religioins is religious tolerance towards others.
Yes, I keep hearing that and where is the tolerance of Christians by the left? It isn't there. In fact there is a very active effort to push it out of public life. Your paranoid fears are beyond laughable.
The problem with liberals isn't intolerance. It is tolerance of everything except traditional value.
No, but atheists rarely advocate atheism because its not a belief, its a lack of belief. Its like a tv station routinely advertising that it does NOT show the Simpsons every evening.
My whole point :)
The majority of the TV stations listed routinely have personalities who very profoundly express the impact of god in their lives. How that becomes atheism I have no idea :cool:
Sports personalities, the majority of them, cross themselves and thank god for many of their achievements as do many musicians. Fashion statements on numerous other channels show much the same.
I believe there are WMDs in Iraq.
Just think how easy it is to hide a couple of truckloads in a cave and blast the entrance shut. I can do that on my uncle's farm so that nobody in a hundred years will find it.
I believe batman has an unhealthy infatuation with Robin.
He can hide his body parts in Robin in ways that nobody in a hundreds years will find.
:eek:
Ghosthunter
10-08-05, 09:22 PM
LOL I reject your notion that the promotion of my faith is a bad thing. Seconly, roll modeling is much more effecitve a way of promoting a idea. You can even do it with out actually thinking about promoting it. Actions speek louder than words. So it is a promotion.
Capitalism is secular by its nature. It is secular TV whether you want to admit it or not. Just saying it is capitalism doesn't change the fact taht it is still secular
Yes, I keep hearing that and where is the tolerance of Christians by the left? It isn't there. In fact there is a very active effort to push it out of public life. Your paranoid fears are beyond laughable.
The problem with liberals isn't intolerance. It is tolerance of everything except traditional value.
show me how people are not tolerant to Christian beliefs? Are you able to go to Church when you want to? Is anyone stopping you from praying and worshipping how you please?
show me how people are not tolerant to Christian beliefs? Are you able to go to Church when you want to? Is anyone stopping you from praying and worshipping how you please?
ACLU, Atheist groups, DNC and many others. I didn't say they were trying to prevent us from going to church. Read my post. I said they want to push all of religion out of the public place and into church and no where else.
Ghosthunter
10-08-05, 10:15 PM
ACLU, Atheist groups, DNC and many others. I didn't say they were trying to prevent us from going to church. Read my post. I said they want to push all of religion out of the public place and into church and no where else.
well it is suppose to be separation of church from state, though sometimes the ACLU does take it a bit extreme.
All in all I think religion should not be part of schools or general public life unless people have a way of opting out and it is not forced on them.
Though I think the whole taking out God from our pledge was a bit absurd. The problem is we have extremists on both sides.
well it is suppose to be separation of church from state, though sometimes the ACLU does take it a bit extreme.
All in all I think religion should not be part of schools or general public life unless people have a way of opting out and it is not forced on them.
Though I think the whole taking out God from our pledge was a bit absurd. The problem is we have extremists on both sides.
Show me where religion should not be a part of the school in the constitution. Further more show me where is says there is a separation of church and state. You do know that the founders had church service in the capital building including Jefferson. Jefferson also funded Catholic priest to convert native americans to Christianity.
well it is suppose to be separation of church from state, though sometimes the ACLU does take it a bit extreme.
Agreed.
All in all I think religion should not be part of schools or general public life unless people have a way of opting out and it is not forced on them.
Agreed, I believe religion is an important fabric of american soceity, the vast majority of american's believe themselves to be religious to some extent.
Though I think the whole taking out God from our pledge was a bit absurd. The problem is we have extremists on both sides.
Here I disagree. The words "under god" were never part of original pledge. They were inserted and now there is an outcry when words that were never part of the original are asked to be removed.
This is absurd only so far as people having short memories and no inkling of history. A religious groups' efforts in getting a change made has turned into suggestions that ATHEISTS now are forcing things down the throats of christians :)
Funny how that works.
Ghosthunter
10-08-05, 10:32 PM
Show me where religion should not be a part of the school in the constitution. Further more show me where is says there is a separation of church and state. You do know that the founders had church service in the capital building including Jefferson. Jefferson also funded Catholic priest to convert native americans to Christianity.
We are secular nation, btw you mention Thomas Jefferson he was the one who started the phrase and also was a deist, not a Christian. he might have went to Church but he definitely did not accept the bible.
Let me ask how many times is God in the constitution?
Here is the problem with religion in general in school.
If you want to teach religion in school which religion? If you are Christian would you want your children learning the Muslim religion?
Who gets to pick what religion? If you say well majority of country is Christian, well what happens when one day majority is something other then Christian?
Personally I rather keep all religion out of school, because to me religion is a personal issue and should not be dealt with in public life. You are free to practice any religion you want, just dont force it on the rest of us.
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