Catholic Church no longer swears Bible to be all true

[UDawg]

There is alot more to the story than that, was just a swift typed example.
I went to a Church of England primary school in an area which was 75% Asian / Muslim during the first Gulf war, so as you can imagine conflict was there, and many experiences involving Christians as a whole have been negative ones at that, i.e getting my ass whooped for refusing to beat up on muslim children by Christians, then having it covered up by the blasted Christian Council thing they had in the area, and then having to face repucussions from the Muslim community also. As far as I am concerned , religion itself bares less importance than chuckled toilet humour to me and is responsible for more conflict than good.

But hey, that is just my personal experience with it, alot more to it than that, and if people live good lives with their God at their side, I am all for it.
But when it fails and sides are drawn, people seperate it becomes nothing more than common "Soccer hooliganism" about which side you are supporting.
Be it a violent confrontation or a debate which devides people rather than unite them, but hey, seeing as our imaginary friend is here to guide us to the light and to "All be together" none of that matters does it.
LOL you will get no defence from me for the actions of the CoE. I am American so you can guess my opinion of the CoE. ;)

Let me just say this. The world of Christianity is far bigger than the small denomination (and a dying one at that) than the CoE.

[Peoples-Agent]

Different point aside, but daaamn ...Catholic chicks are hawt!
Especially in this area, goto these strange schools in that uniform till they are in their 20s and run about with the philosophy of ...." I will remain a virgin till marriage, but still give head and take it up the....."
A new generation of Catholisism beholds us.

[CybrSage]

My judgement from what a Christian is derived from the a**holes who keep knocking on my door telling me I am going to hell if I do not conform to their beliefs.

You are looking at it wrong.

If a doctor tells you that you are going to die from a disease, but he has a cure. It is an easy cure, but you have to follow the directions he gives you or it will not work.

Do you complain that he is an asshole for telling you that you are going to die if you do not conform to his belief? No, you thank him for letting you know you had a horrible problem you were not aware of and follow his instructions perfectly, all the while being happy the cure is easy.

Same with Christianity. You are going to die (spiritually). There is only one cure, but it is easy. You merely need to accept you are going to die and that Jesus died for you already. If you believe this, and believe He rose again and entered Heaven, you will live. You should thank those who came to your door for letting you know you had a horrible problem you were not aware of and follow their instructions perfectly, all the while being happy the cure is easy.

[UDawg]

You are looking at it wrong.

If a doctor tells you that you are going to die from a disease, but he has a cure. It is an easy cure, but you have to follow the directions he gives you or it will not work.

Do you complain that he is an asshole for telling you that you are going to die if you do not conform to his belief? No, you thank him for letting you know you had a horrible problem you were not aware of and follow his instructions perfectly, all the while being happy the cure is easy.

Same with Christianity. You are going to die (spiritually). There is only one cure, but it is easy. You merely need to accept you are going to die and that Jesus died for you already. If you believe this, and believe He rose again and entered Heaven, you will live. You should thank those who came to your door for letting you know you had a horrible problem you were not aware of and follow their instructions perfectly, all the while being happy the cure is easy.
We see that as a truth but most see it as a witch-doctor who is not to be trusted.

[Vapor Trail]

You are looking at it wrong.

If a doctor tells you that you are going to die from a disease, but he has a cure. It is an easy cure, but you have to follow the directions he gives you or it will not work.

Do you complain that he is an asshole for telling you that you are going to die if you do not conform to his belief? No, you thank him for letting you know you had a horrible problem you were not aware of and follow his instructions perfectly, all the while being happy the cure is easy.

Same with Christianity. You are going to die (spiritually). There is only one cure, but it is easy. You merely need to accept you are going to die and that Jesus died for you already. If you believe this, and believe He rose again and entered Heaven, you will live. You should thank those who came to your door for letting you know you had a horrible problem you were not aware of and follow their instructions perfectly, all the while being happy the cure is easy.

heh,

More like a doctor who says he has a cure for an unknown illness that only works after you are dead, with no proof it actually works and or what the illness is (if there really is an illness at all). All you have to do is believe in his cure and support his team of doctors with $$$ and you get to go to this special hospital (which no one has ever seen) which will take care of you forever. Of course if you don't take his cure you will be in great pain and will suffer for eternity.

There are many such groups of doctors all claming to have this same cure but of course his cure is the one true cure and all the other doctors are obviously quacks.

Sometimes it is necessary to fight and kill these other groups of quacks or anyone who thinks their cure is wrong, to ensure that your group of quacks survives and grows.

[CybrSage]

Not really. I trust my doctor on issues I do not understand. Don't you trust your doctor on issues you do not understand?

For example, I do not understand how Restless Leg Syndrom (RLS) works, or evey why Anti-Parkinson drugs stop its effects and allow me to sleep at night. I listened to the doctor who told me my illness, and gave me a cure (well, in this case there is no cure, but rather a treatment for the symptoms).

I did not need to become a doctor specialized in the human nervous system before I would accept her prognosis and cure. I trusted that she knew what she was talking about, since it is her job to know these things.

Maybe I am too trusting (have actually been told I am many times), and maybe I am too much of an optimist (which I certainly am), but I tend to trust those with more knowledge about something than I have.

I trust the Bible to be true for Spiritual Matters. The knowledge contained therein was given by someone who knows far more about the afterlife than I do. I do not have to become God to trust what God has told me is my condition and my cure.

That is all I meant.

[netviper13]

Not really. I trust my doctor on issues I do not understand. Don't you trust your doctor on issues you do not understand?

For example, I do not understand how Restless Leg Syndrom (RLS) works, or evey why Anti-Parkinson drugs stop its effects and allow me to sleep at night. I listened to the doctor who told me my illness, and gave me a cure (well, in this case there is no cure, but rather a treatment for the symptoms).

I did not need to become a doctor specialized in the human nervous system before I would accept her prognosis and cure. I trusted that she knew what she was talking about, since it is her job to know these things.

Maybe I am too trusting (have actually been told I am many times), and maybe I am too much of an optimist (which I certainly am), but I tend to trust those with more knowledge about something than I have.

I trust the Bible to be true for Spiritual Matters. The knowledge contained therein was given by someone who knows far more about the afterlife than I do. I do not have to become God to trust what God has told me is my condition and my cure.

That is all I meant.


The difference is that were you so inclined, and well-educated enough to understand, a doctor could actually explain to you and show you exactly how the drugs work. The FDA knows how they work, the pharmaceutical companies that developed them know and can prove how they work. There are people with degrees using math and experimentation to give you that finished prescription product.

The Bible is, by its very nature, unprovable. Or even if it is provable, it won't be until it is too late for those who choose not to believe. An interesting paradox, and one I reject wholeheartedly.

[CybrSage]

The difference is that were you so inclined, and well-educated enough to understand, a doctor could actually explain to you and show you exactly how the drugs work. The FDA knows how they work, the pharmaceutical companies that developed them know and can prove how they work. There are people with degrees using math and experimentation to give you that finished prescription product.

The Bible is, by its very nature, unprovable. Or even if it is provable, it won't be until it is too late for those who choose not to believe. An interesting paradox, and one I reject wholeheartedly.


Very true. There really isn't anything man-made that truely compares. That was just the closest I could come.

It saddens me that you reject it, but that is your choice. You have until the moment of your death to change your mind, so at least keep it open enough to allow that to happen...just in case you come across something that makes you go hmmm...

[UDawg]

I just realized something. God is pro-choice. :D Somking or non-smoking eternity. :D

[netviper13]

Very true. There really isn't anything man-made that truely compares. That was just the closest I could come.

It saddens me that you reject it, but that is your choice. You have until the moment of your death to change your mind, so at least keep it open enough to allow that to happen...just in case you come across something that makes you go hmmm...

Oh my mind is definitely open. I (hopefully) have a lot of living yet to do, and who knows what may lie ahead.

[Peoples-Agent]

You are looking at it wrong.

If a doctor tells you that you are going to die from a disease, but he has a cure. It is an easy cure, but you have to follow the directions he gives you or it will not work.

Do you complain that he is an asshole for telling you that you are going to die if you do not conform to his belief? No, you thank him for letting you know you had a horrible problem you were not aware of and follow his instructions perfectly, all the while being happy the cure is easy.

Same with Christianity. You are going to die (spiritually). There is only one cure, but it is easy. You merely need to accept you are going to die and that Jesus died for you already. If you believe this, and believe He rose again and entered Heaven, you will live. You should thank those who came to your door for letting you know you had a horrible problem you were not aware of and follow their instructions perfectly, all the while being happy the cure is easy.


Dude, I would willingly accept a doctor's advice from the off, if I was uncertain I would obtain a second opinion. Having a Bible for direction is like picking up a medical journal instead of going to see the doctor.
Like you said Jesus died for me already, and that wasn't enough was it lol
Many times in life I have encountered what people would refer to as signs, where as most would say it was relating to "God", I simply put it down to a happening that helped divert a failing course of action to something more successful, or something worse for me to learn the lesson and move on.
At every point when it has got to the bottom draw, and my luck, self created or otherwise is rock bottom I have turned to the skies and really questioned and asked God from within myself on what to do, every eventuality it has kicked me in the teeth. As far as I am concerned he is an a-hole, and when not taken into consideration or thought of, I do actually live a more productive and friendlier existance towards fellow man, animal, or whatever.

When my time is up, it's up and I do not want it any other way. Let alone from some God that seems adament on people indulging in suffering to learn some deeper meaningful message. I'd sooner send virgins on their way to heaven for the dark lord below than buy into that crap.
But as I have repeatedly said, if it helps other people live a better and more meaningful life, well done Lord ....your flavour works for some, and absolutely spites others. So much for the balance.

Peace.

[S.I.N]

The day I believe the Bible is not truly fiction is the day they find Noah's Ark.;)

[Peoples-Agent]

I just realized something. God is pro-choice. :D Somking or non-smoking eternity. :D

That's how I see it, some people like cream with their coffee and others don't.
And before you never actually offended me, but I could see where others might have felt that way, which leads to more misunderstanding.

And who are these people that believe Dinosaurs were buried as a test of faith? lol ....I really have to know what segment of the imagination come up with that theory. Can someone please answer that for me.

[UDawg]

That's how I see it, some people like cream with their coffee and others don't.
And before you never actually offended me, but I could see where others might have felt that way, which leads to more misunderstanding.

And who are these people that believe Dinosaurs were buried as a test of faith? lol ....I really have to know what segment of the imagination come up with that theory. Can someone please answer that for me.
Dinosaurs were not buried as a test of fait. LOL who told you that? They are part of God's creation.

[Peoples-Agent]

Some Christian Fundementalists were rattling on to me about it one day, Americans visiting here on some kind of voyage of peace. LoL
I politely had to listen to them though, they were rather attractive.
The devils eyes were guiding me with swift temptation on that occasion.
Nice folks, but their views were like something from an episode of He-Man.

[CybrSage]

The day I believe the Bible is not truly fiction is the day they find Noah's Ark.;)


They will never find it. With such a ready supply of precut timber at hand, and the need to build houses, they would have cannabalized the ark. Especially as they were told it would never again be needed.

[CybrSage]

And who are these people that believe Dinosaurs were buried as a test of faith? lol ....I really have to know what segment of the imagination come up with that theory. Can someone please answer that for me.

It is all part of a "young earth" theory. It follows that God created everything at one point in time, but progressed time backwards to make the illusion it was here for millions of years. They say it is to see if we have trust that God is telling us the truth.

Personally, I find it complete rubbish.

Genesis talks of days. At issue is what is meant by that. Some say literal days. Some say "a day is as a thousand years" mentioned throughout the Bible means it was 6000 years in the making, with a 1000 year rest. I say it means an era...a period of time. Much like saying "In the Dinosaur's day" or "In the day of the horse and buggy".

[DaveW]

Dinosaurs were not buried as a test of fait. LOL who told you that? They are part of God's creation.

To quote Bill Hicks (RIP)... btw hes talking about Bush Sr here, this skit many years ago...


That's another good thing about Bush being gone, man, cos for the last 12 years with Reagan and Bush, we have had fundamentalist Christians in the White House. Fundamentalist Christians who believe the Bible is the exact word of God, including that wacky fire and brimstone Revelations ending, have had their finger on the ****ing button for 12 years. [Eyes roll back in head] "Tell me when Lord, tell me when. Let me be your servant Lord." Fundamentalist Christianity - fascinating. These people actually believe that the bi.., er, the world is 12 thousand years old. Swear to God. What the..? Based on what? I asked them. "Well we looked at all the people in the Bible and we added 'em up all the way back to Adam and Eve, their ages - 12 thousand years." Well how ****ing scientific, okay. I didn't know that you'd gone to so much trouble. That's good. You believe the world's 12 thousand years old? "That's right." Okay I got one word to ask you, a one word question, ready? "uh huh." Dinosaurs. You know the world's 12 thousand years old and dinosaurs existed, they existed in that time, you'd think it would have been mentioned in the ****ing Bible at some point. "And lo Jesus and the disciples walked to Nazareth. But the trail was blocked by a giant brontosaurus... with a splinter in his paw. And O the disciples did run a shriekin': 'What a big ****ing lizard, Lord!' But Jesus was unafraid and he took the splinter from the brontosaurus's paw and the big lizard became his friend. And Jesus sent him to Scotland where he lived in a loch for O so many years inviting thousands of American tourists to bring their fat ****ing families and their fat dollar bills. And oh Scotland did praise the Lord. Thank you Lord, thank you Lord. Thank you Lord."

Get this, I actually asked one of these guys, OK, Dinosaurs fossils - how does that fit into you scheme of life? Let me sit down and strap in. He said, "Dinosaur fossils? God put those there to test our faith." Thank God I'm strapped in right now here man. I think God put you here to test my faith, Dude. You believe that? "uh huh." Does that trouble anyone here? The idea that God.. might be.. ****in' with our heads? I have trouble sleeping with that knowledge. Some prankster God running around: "Hu hu ho. We will see who believes in me now, ha ha." [mimes God burying fossils] "I am God, I am a prankster." "I am killing Me." You know, You die and go to St. Peter... "Did you believe in dinosaurs?" "Well, yeah. There was fossils everywhere" Thuh [trapdoor opens] "Aaaaaaarhhh!" "You ****in idiot." "Flying lizards, you're a moron. God was ****in' with you!" "It seemed so plausible, ahhhh!" "Enjoy the lake of fire, ****er!"

You ever noticed how people who believe in creationism look really unevolved? Ya ever noticed that? Eyes real close together, eyebrow ridges, big furry hands and feet. "I believe God created me in one day" Yeah, looks liked He rushed it. They believe the bible is the exact word of God - Then they change the bible! Pretty presumptuous, hu huh? "I think what God meant to say..." I have never been that confident. Next we have a bible out called 'The New Living Bible', it's the bible in updated and modern English. I guess to make it more palatable for people to read. But its really weird, when you listen to it. "And Jesus walked on water. And Peter said, 'Awesome!'" Suddenly we got Jesus hanging ten across the Sea of Galilee. Christ's Bogus Adventure, you know. Deuteronomy 90210, you know.

Such a weird belief. Lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think when Jesus comes back he's gonna want to see a ****ing cross, man? "Oaww" May be why he hasn't shown up yet. "Man, they're still wearing crosses. **** it, I'm not goin, dad. No, they totally missed the point. When they start wearing fishes I might show up again, but... Let me bury fossil heads with you Dad, **** em - Let's **** with them! They're ****in with me now, lets get em. Give me that brontosaurus head, Dad."

[Ghosthunter]

So you are going to ignore my challenges. Ok I will venture down this road with you a bit.

I made the judgement that you don't like Christians at least on the scale that you think we are silly for believing in what we do. Since most atheists fall into this catagory it is a safe assumption.

Since you argue that this isn't a Christians country and deny its Christians roots you are either a secular liberal which is a atheist or a member of another smaller religion. This is also a safe assumption. Now since you won't say what you believe in I will continue to assume the fore mentioned until proven wrong. This has nothing to do with hypocracy and everything to do with guessing what your core beliefs are. One last thing, it is almost a exclusive liberal trait to not want to say what you really believe. There is another safe assumption on what you believe. I find striking is your unwillingness to address anything and be bothered by my assumptions on your ideaology.


Now I have a challenge for you. Show me where I insulted you. Show me. I have made fun of your claims about Jesus never existing but that is not a insult. Being instulted is something you choose to be. Maybe you are just too think skinned for the argument.



Why are my beliefs important to you? What do you care so much? this thread is suppose to be about Catholic Church and the bible...nothing to do with my beliefs.

I am not going to go through all your posts becuase I really don't care.

[Peoples-Agent]

To quote Bill Hicks (RIP)... btw hes talking about Bush Sr here, this skit many years ago...

I wasn't quoting Bill Hicks, this is what these people ACTUALLY believe and I am not talking years ago, I am talking six months ago at a bar in Camden.

As for Bill Hicks.......hahahahahhahhahahahhhahahhhhhaha ..... I have to crack out the DVDs again, it's been awhile.

[CybrSage]

I wasn't quoting Bill Hicks, this is what these people ACTUALLY believe and I am not talking years ago, I am talking six months ago at a bar in Camden.


The people who told you that are misguided. They are fogetting many important things, the foremost is "when did the war in heaven happen?".

There was a war in heaven, Satan and his angels fought God and his angels. Satan lost. This all happened well before man came on the scene, yet is not mentioned in Genesis. Why not? Because it was immaterial to the creation of man. Did not apply to our creation so it was not mentioned.

The earth is obviously older than 6,000 or 12,000 years. Mankind might have only been here, in our present form, for that long, but the earth was obviously here much longer.

[zakelwe]

Lets try and link the global warming thread up with this one and ask why, if God say to Noah that he would never flood the earth again, is the threat of rising waters what everybody is worried about ? :D

Alternatively, as the rising waters might be man made, then we have negated God once again to not being needed this time around.

Either way, it's looking like a tricky situation for God, either He's a liar or He's redundant.

Regards

Andy

[CybrSage]

Lets try and link the global warming thread up with this one and ask why, if God say to Noah that he would never flood the earth again, is the threat of rising waters what everybody is worried about ? :D

Alternatively, as the rising waters might be man made, then we have negated God once again to not being needed this time around.

Either way, it's looking like a tricky situation for God, either He's a liar or He's redundant.

Regards

Andy


Nah, there is not enough water to flood the entire world...at least not before it is too hot to live on.

[sytaylor]

Isn't there a threshold at which the ice will continue to melt gradually unless the tmep drops? I could be wrong... I need a boat house :D

[zakelwe]

I'm going to enjoy not-moving from Sevenoaks to Sevenoaks on Sea for my beach front property ....

What ever happened to acid rain ? When I was a lad acid rain was the thing to be worried about ( after nuclear war ) but it's no longer fashionable it seems. Did all those Canadian and Swedish lakes lose all their fish, or not, in the end ?

Regards

Andy