View Full Version : Katrina aid used to pay for booze, lap dances
Rakeesh
10-20-05, 01:31 AM
I knew those $2,000 "free money" debit cards were a bad idea from the get go. You give poor people money, and they'll inevitably spend it irresponsibly. That's why they're poor.
http://www.pardonmyenglish.com/archives/2005/09/katrina_debit_c.html
Drumphil
10-20-05, 02:35 AM
enron? giving money to rich greedy people doesn't work much better either.
Rich people might spend their money "responsibly" to keep themselves rich, but never mind who ever else they make poor in the process.
Of course this is another useless generalisation, but that seems to be par for the course round here.
enron? giving money to rich greedy people doesn't work much better either.
Rich people might spend their money "responsibly" to keep themselves rich, but never mind who ever else they make poor in the process.
Of course this is another useless generalisation, but that seems to be par for the course round here.
What does Enron have to do with the government giving money way? Enron is a private company. They do not take money from us. If they do they can be held accountable. When the goverment does this they call it a tax increase for the poor or aid for Catrina victims.
Ninjaman09
10-20-05, 11:00 AM
It is certainly no surprise that some people would spend the relief money in this manner. Still it is terrible to see money that was meant to help these people be squandered like this. However let's keep in mind this is probably not what ALL of the survivors are doing with their cards; we don't know the extent of the abuse. I would have trouble believing this behavior constitutes the majority of what is being done with the relief aid.
Rakeesh
10-20-05, 12:46 PM
enron? giving money to rich greedy people doesn't work much better either.
Rich people might spend their money "responsibly" to keep themselves rich, but never mind who ever else they make poor in the process.
When rich people spend their money, it builds industries.
And only a two-bit moron like you can pull enron into this. The government never gave them any "aid money."
evilchris
10-20-05, 12:48 PM
Drum just wants his own debit card is all...
Drum just wants his own debit card is all... hell, i want my own debit card if the government is now paying for lapdances...damn that gravy train sounds like alot of fun ...
Every time I see one of Drump's quoted posts I'm further steeled in my decision of adding him to my ignore list long ago. I'm too big of a fan of common sense and logic to ever go back. :D
hell, i want my own debit card if the government is now paying for lapdances...damn that gravy train sounds like alot of fun ...
OH man have you got it wrong? Have you seen government housing or eaten government cheese? Just imagine a goverment lapdance, Gib's mom comes to mind.
thanks, thanks alot udawg for burning that imagine in my head....now excuse me while i go and get out my do it yourself labotomy kit...hopefully that will releave the pain :D ...
Drumphil
10-20-05, 09:25 PM
Just making the point that people are people, and wasting money is hardly something exclusive to poor people. I thought I made it clear my post wasn't really about enron, rather pointing out the meaningless of this generalisation about poor people. But then, there is no need for me to point that out with the marvelous comprehension skills being demonstrated round here.
You give poor people money, and they'll inevitably spend it irresponsibly. That's why they're poor.
thats what I really took issue with. I remeber when I was a kid and my family was poor, my mother sure as hell didn't spend charity on strip clubs and beer.
Drum just wants his own debit card is all...
what do I need that for.. Your mamma gives me service for free!
And only a two-bit moron like you can pull enron into this. The government never gave them any "aid money."
So what sort of moron are you for totally missing the point of my objection point then?
Of course this is another useless generalisation, but that seems to be par for the course round here.
what point did you think I was trying to make when I said that?? Its pretty freaking ovbious what the point of my post was.
What does Enron have to do with the government giving money way? Enron is a private company. They do not take money from us.
Duh, I was making the point that wasting money is not exclusive to poor people.
You give poor people money, and they'll inevitably spend it irresponsibly. That's why they're poor.
Hence me pointing out a case of rich people wasting other peoples money.
Every time I see one of Drump's quoted posts I'm further steeled in my decision of adding him to my ignore list long ago. I'm too big of a fan of common sense and logic to ever go back.
Yeah, you're a real shining light for rational argument. I miss conversing with you so much (choke). Its a shame the conservatives round here don't have the balls to take it like they dish it out.
I knew those $2,000 "free money" debit cards were a bad idea from the get go. You give poor people money, and they'll inevitably spend it irresponsibly. That's why they're poor.
http://www.pardonmyenglish.com/archives/2005/09/katrina_debit_c.html
pardonmyenglish.com?? You got to be kidding. This is the worst kind of journalism. Take a few isolated incidents and try and paint broad generalizations about everyone that has received aid. Not to mention the obvious implied rascial undertones. How would you like it if I linked to a story that had the headlines: "Bush tax cuts are funding the drug trade". In it I point out where people got their tax refund check and went out and bought blow with it.
Rakeesh
10-20-05, 11:48 PM
Dumphill: your post isn't worthy of a response.
pardonmyenglish.com?? You got to be kidding. This is the worst kind of journalism. Take a few isolated incidents and try and paint broad generalizations about everyone that has received aid. Not to mention the obvious implied rascial undertones. How would you like it if I linked to a story that had the headlines: "Bush tax cuts are funding the drug trade". In it I point out where people got their tax refund check and went out and bought blow with it.
Which source do you prefer?
http://www2.townonline.com/bourne/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=348885
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=107543
http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index.php/codder/2005/10/18/the_booze_and_booty_bus_out_of_camp_edwa
And I don't recall anybody implying race here. Usually when conservatives mention an issue, they don't make that a part of it. You libs on the other hand seem to love the race card. Anytime somebody talks about car theft, burglary, or murder, you immediately think that we are implying that black people did it and you use that as a reason to not talk about any given problem. I don't know how anybody in their right mind could ever think that conservatives are racist when liberals repeatedly do this kind of thing.
And a tax refund or even a tax cut is a whole different thing than what is being discussed here. That is their money that they earned. It never at any point rightfully belonged to the state. It's their money to do as they choose with. You may as well just say "jobs fund the drug trade," because it is the exact same logic. In this case, the government is HANDING OUT money to people that it shoulnd't be, which makes it an entirely different scenario.
And btw, although you don't know it, theres a difference between a tax refund and a tax cut.
Every time I see one of Drump's quoted posts I'm further steeled in my decision of adding him to my ignore list long ago. I'm too big of a fan of common sense and logic to ever go back. :D
Lol.
Btw I know what you would do with them bucks if you had a debit card :D
Colts tickets anyone?
OK, the Boston Herald is a valid source. Too bad their article doesn't assert anything like what the original article did. Instead it says this:
Plunkett said he could not provide any information on the amount of money the evacuees have been given or how it is being spent. ``It is kind of a privacy issue. We aren't running a police state. For us to know what they are getting, we would have to open their mail,'' he said.
The other sources are a joke.
Your opinions and experiences with conservatives is exactly opposite of mine so we can argue forever on that.
You got hung up in the semantics of my example. The point I was trying to make is it is absurd to try and assert or make news on something that isn't statistically significant. It is just a weak attempt to generalize an issue. I mean let's get outraged because a stripper named Abby has seen many relief cards used at her strip shop. Let's yank all the funding now!!!!
This is OT but what do you mean Tax Cut v Tax Refund? If you are refunded more money than you got last year on the exact same income and withholdings doesn't that mean you are paying less taxes? Tax Refund = Total Withholdings - Taxes. If taxes go down your refund will be more.
I'll admit I don't know what you mean. I am curious to know. Can you explain?
Lol.
Btw I know what you would do with them bucks if you had a debit card :D
Colts tickets anyone?
Colts??? Yuk i'd rather watch the Bengals with a free debit card. :angel:
See Clay's avatar lately?
:angel:
No, if I had a free debit card I'd just throw it at my school loans. :D For Colts tickets I'm just lucky enough to have those as a perk through work.
Ninjaman09
10-21-05, 09:39 AM
If I had a free debit card I'd buy a Dell 2405FPW. Then lap dances and booze.
The other sources are a joke.
Why? Care to explain? Nah, it is just easier to throw out one-sentence responses and change the subject after all.
Regarding your previous post, I'm not sure where you got "racial undertones", as Alpha said it's in your head. The article was an op-ed piece regarding factual events (debit cards being used irresponsibly), I don't understand how it being from a conservative source makes in invalid. If you dislike an argument, you have to attack the argument with counter-points and facts instead of attacking the source of the argument. An ad-hominem attack doesn't prove anything other than the fact that you cannot form a cohesive argument.
So what is your position? Is the article and the other news sources that substantiate it lying? Of course that is a possibility given the obscenely horrible reporting standards of the news media. If that is the case, do you have contradictory evidence? Or are you simply skeptical that this is an actual widespread problem? If that's the case, I'm on your side. I don't see anything that indicates that this is happening with great frequency so it does sound like reporting BS at the moment. To quote from one of the articles Alpha posted:
Someone on the news said, "ya, they took pictures of public drinking, but not of the little kid buying paper for school."
That sums up my view on it pretty clearly.
Why? Care to explain? Nah, it is just easier to throw out one-sentence responses and change the subject after all.
Regarding your previous post, I'm not sure where you got "racial undertones", as Alpha said it's in your head. The article was an op-ed piece regarding factual events (debit cards being used irresponsibly), I don't understand how it being from a conservative source makes in invalid. If you dislike an argument, you have to attack the argument with counter-points and facts instead of attacking the source of the argument. An ad-hominem attack doesn't prove anything other than the fact that you cannot form a cohesive argument.
So what is your position? Is the article and the other news sources that substantiate it lying? Of course that is a possibility given the obscenely horrible reporting standards of the news media. If that is the case, do you have contradictory evidence? Or are you simply skeptical that this is an actual widespread problem? If that's the case, I'm on your side. I don't see anything that indicates that this is happening with great frequency so it does sound like reporting BS at the moment. To quote from one of the articles Alpha posted:
That sums up my view on it pretty clearly.
I thought I was being clear in my last post when I said:
The point I was trying to make is it is absurd to try and assert or make news on something that isn't statistically significant. It is just a weak attempt to generalize an issue
So, I guess we agree. Let me explain why I also saw racial undertones to the article. (That way you guys can attack me more :p )
When someone goes to great lengths to exaggerate a situation to present a negative view they are trying to generalize. The author can have many motives to do this. Since the majority of TV coverage displayed the victims of Katrina as black. It is easy to exploit racial bias when making such an article. Your audience will be those that already find it completely believable that black people, when handed $2000, would do nothing good with it.
Why? Care to explain? Nah, it is just easier to throw out one-sentence responses and change the subject after all.
Oops, I forgot to answer this too. I've never heard of the CapeCodder Today and they are just quoting the Boston Herald article anyways.
Ninjaman09
10-21-05, 10:18 AM
I thought I was being clear in my last post when I said:
So, I guess we agree.
Yep.
Let me explain why I also saw racial undertones to the article. (That way you guys can attack me more :p )
When someone goes to great lengths to exaggerate a situation to present a negative view they are trying to generalize. The author can have many motives to do this. Since the majority of TV coverage displayed the victims of Katrina as black. It is easy to exploit racial bias when making such an article. Your audience will be those that already find it completely believable that black people, when handed $2000, would do nothing good with it.
OK that's you reading too much into it. Obviously it's your right to see it that way but frankly that's just ridiculous. As Alpha said the race card is a favored tactic of liberals like yourself to make an issue something it isn't. I think it's hilarious and sad at the same time because all it does is deepen the racial divide in this country. Percieved reality becomes reality as time goes on, and you have no one but yourselves to blame.
CybrSage
10-21-05, 11:59 AM
My biggest two complaints about the over-use of the race card are:
1. Desensitized to the real race problems that occur.
2. Promotes the "If I am going to do the time, I might as well do the crime." mentality. Yes, it is childish, but many people feel that they are going to be treated like they are racist they might as well be racist.
what do I need that for.. Your mamma gives me service for free!
AHAHAHA I don't care who you are that there is funny.:D
Rakeesh
10-21-05, 02:25 PM
You got hung up in the semantics of my example. The point I was trying to make is it is absurd to try and assert or make news on something that isn't statistically significant. It is just a weak attempt to generalize an issue.
Semantics my left ass cheek, you were blatantly attempting to play the race card.
Not to mention the obvious implied rascial undertones.
That statement has no bearing on statistical significance. You were trying to imply that this is a race issue and should therefore be left alone for political correctness sake. That line of bull may fly with your liberal friends, but it doesn't work here.
I mean let's get outraged because a stripper named Abby has seen many relief cards used at her strip shop. Let's yank all the funding now!!!!
It isn't just that. Several people have been reported to be using money to buy new TV sets and tickets to sporting events as well. The booze and strippers (and public drunkenness) is just the tip of the iceberg.
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