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AthlonXP1800
10-26-05, 05:10 AM
Gibbo from Overclockers UK (http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5804763&postcount=35) revealed Nvidia next card higher clocked 7800 GTX 512Mb will be in stock mass for launch on... 7th November and cost much less than X1800 XT 512Mb that are still not available until end of November. :)

The fact is that this time round NVIDIA have completely destroyed ATI as SLi is so much better established and you don't need a master card for it to work. Plus the 7800 series is the far better buy and was available on June 22nd, ATI are still struggling and were now approaching November. On November 7th OcUK will be launch partner with NVIDIA on the new faster clocked 512MB 7800 GTX which will furth establish NVIDIA as performance leader and OcUK will have priority allocation on 512MB cards which could also mean we have exclusivity and unlike ATI NVIDIA will be shipping plenty of stock throughout November. So basically what is the point of ATI's X1800 XT, NVIDIA will have a better product with availability sooner and no doubt for less money too.
Shyru
10-26-05, 05:49 AM
Would be great, but I don't believe this until i see the cards!
AthlonXP1800
10-26-05, 05:57 AM
Would be great, but I don't believe this until i see the cards!

Really? You didnt believed Nvidia's volume launched of Geforce 7800 GTX on 22 June and Geforce 7800 GT on 11 Aug until you see the cards in stock?
Shyru
10-26-05, 06:14 AM
Really? You didnt believed Nvidia's volume launched of Geforce 7800 GTX on 22 June and Geforce 7800 GT on 11 Aug until you see the cards in stock?
Of course i believed that. Because that was announced more widely and also fitted into the roadmap. At that time they had to launch something, because they promised it, and all where waiting for it. (Nobody did know back then that ATI would delay that much). But now I don't think that they need to release a better card. The 7800 GTX is still fast enough, and its available and cheaper than the X1800 XT.
But hey, I'm not against good surprises! :D
retsam
10-26-05, 06:28 AM
this does work with the other rumors we have been hearing as of late... nvidia needed to couter ati's 512 meg card with something...and this is it...now i can go ahead and build my new system!!!
Rakeesh
10-26-05, 06:34 AM
Hmm...why do I get the idea that both of these cards will be hella expensive anyways?

Memory is cheap as hell right now, but for video cards you end up paying like twice as much for vram compared to conventional memory. Sure, it's GDDR3 and all, but it can't be that expensive.
Saintster
10-26-05, 10:31 AM
Hmm...why do I get the idea that both of these cards will be hella expensive anyways?

Memory is cheap as hell right now, but for video cards you end up paying like twice as much for vram compared to conventional memory. Sure, it's GDDR3 and all, but it can't be that expensive.

I'm still gonna pick one up regardless of price!
macatak
10-26-05, 10:44 AM
Linky not working now :(
AthlonXP1800
10-26-05, 11:06 AM
Linky not working now :(

:lol: I checked and the whole thread was deleted probably by him Gibbo. He must be panicked when the news reached The Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27225) and Nvidia is wonder who leaked the info. :lol2:

Anyway here the full post Gibbo posted, I glad saved it in the cache. :D

Hi there

First of all some of you need to get a grip!!

The fact is whether you like it or not both NVIDIA and ATI hold OcUK as their best bet for high-end sales this means they listen to myself closely as I am the PM within OcUK for graphics and make all the purchasing decisions. Plus I have in depth knowledge of hardware, especially graphics card afterall I used to be into the technology and overclocking big time some years back and the knowledge is never forgetton.

Lets look back, I told you all the specifications of the R520 some months ago and was flamed and informed I was most probably incorrect yet as it turns out I was correct and within 50MHz to the actual clock speeds. How do I know such things is because both ATI and NVIDIA visit OcUK regular giving us information and gifts as they need their number ONE E-Tailor to be in the know of what is going on, hence why I have to sign several NDA's. However I do attempt to provide a service and information wherever possible to members on this forum. Now some people appreciate me giving information but as those in the know things change daily in this indsutry so specifications, availability and pricing can change on a daily basis. The ones who do have a moan are those who are either not in the know or are just been jealous, all I can say is get a grip, its computer hardware and there are far more important things in life...

Fact is if ATI had 1000's of X1800 XT's to go round then OcUK would be one of the cheapest in the UK on the X1800 XT's but the fact is ATI don't have the stock to go round and out of the incoming stock into the UK which will be a very small amount for November then we are certainly not going to give the stock away. If ATI get their act together and begin to ship 1000's then prices will drop, but at the moment ATI will not be shipping anywhere near those quantities until 2006 and Crossfire edition cards of R520 won't show until December.

Take a look at the facts:-
1. OcUK is the only stockist of HIS X1800 XL and with plenty in stock at a great low price on special offer this week.
2. We also have stock of both Sapphire and Connect3D X1800 XL in stock at competitive prices, no other Etailor can match our IN STOCK selection of X1800 XL!
3. OcUK will recieve more stock of X1800 XT than any other Etailor, we should also be first..... We would have been first on X1800 XL just the fact that our shipments got messed up badly and then got further held up in customs.
4. OcUK has given the best deals on NVIDIA cards, the BFG 7800 GT as low as £179+VAT and even now is £199+VAT for what is considered the best 7800 GT on the market with its lifetime warranty and higher than standard clock speeds. Were also competitive on all the other cards and were first and have always had good stock levels on the models.
5. OcUK was the only UK Etailor with stock of 7800 GTX on launch day from 4 different leading brands (BFG, Gigabyte, Leadtek & XFX) and have never been out of stock since launch day on product. Only one other competitor managed to have 1 brand in stock on day of launch, thats OcUK been the best again.
6. Sapphire GTO2's are only available from OcUK now I believe as we have had over 90% of the UK stock allocation and we were also first by nearly 2 weeks!!

Now regarding ATI and Crossfire solutions. OcUK does have the DFI Crossfire boards in stock, not sure if we are first or not but DFI seem to think that we are as Jeff Chen who is the MD of Europe direct shipped the stock to us and gave us most of it, maybe others have had small amounts but who knows. Regarding Sapphire Crossfire we could have had stock sooner but they aint exactly hugely popular so we turned down Sapphire and told them to ship stock via the usual methods as there was no rush, if they had been more sucessful we would have been first.

The fact is that this time round NVIDIA have completely destroyed ATI as SLi is so much better established and you don't need a master card for it to work. Plus the 7800 series is the far better buy and was available on June 22nd, ATI are still struggling and were now approaching November. On November 7th OcUK will be launch partner with NVIDIA on the new faster clocked 512MB 7800 GTX which will furth establish NVIDIA as performance leader and OcUK will have priority allocation on 512MB cards which could also mean we have exclusivity and unlike ATI NVIDIA will be shipping plenty of stock throughout November. So basically what is the point of ATI's X1800 XT, NVIDIA will have a better product with availability sooner and no doubt for less money too.

I keep screaming at ATI to get a move on as NVIDIA are kicking their asses and am doing my best to help/advice them and though ATI do listen NVIDIA listen better and are quicker to act.

Its in the best interest for me and OcUK to sell both brands as were not biased towards either company but my honest opionion is that NVIDIA is the better buy, especially on the 7800 GT's. I am pushing ATI for a $50 price drop on the X1800 XL which will hopefully happen to make it more competitive against the 7800 GT and screaming for ATI to get more allocation and to get it here sooner on X1800 XT.

I can stop making post about what is going on in the industry and some will be accurate and some will not, though that highly depends on the time viewed. A statement made by me two weeks could be completely the opposite today and anyone with common sense would realise that in this market place a lot can happen/change in the space of 24 hours. If people can't accept this then I will just stop posting as it makes no difference to me and will give me more time to get on with my work. Its your loss and not mine.


ATI really dont listen!
Mr_LoL
10-26-05, 11:12 AM
Looks like I will definately be getting one. I need 512MB
macatak
10-26-05, 11:46 AM
It's over at Bit-tech as well

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/10/26/512mb_7800gtx_on_nov_7th/
oushi.eg
10-26-05, 11:59 AM
i never doubt about it , 7800 Turbo .Also i think it will be double slot solution .
those days remember me with nVIDIA in the time of GF3 and GF4.
walterman
10-26-05, 04:41 PM
I hope they raise the memory speed too.
jAkUp
10-26-05, 05:45 PM
Hmm...why do I get the idea that both of these cards will be hella expensive anyways?

Memory is cheap as hell right now, but for video cards you end up paying like twice as much for vram compared to conventional memory. Sure, it's GDDR3 and all, but it can't be that expensive.

400MHz Corsair DDR is not expensive,

1.2GHz Samsung DDR3 is expensive.
Graphicmaniac
10-26-05, 05:50 PM
if ati has a 1.5ghz then i don't see why nvidia should not get a 1.4ghz at least

about gpu, the best quadro should be 20pipe 550mhz right?
then i think the gpu could be 24pipe 450-500mhz

if the card will really be like that i think it will cost more than 499$ :( coz of ram .. :(
rohit
10-26-05, 06:12 PM
Yo Peeps, heres your 7800Ultra.. a GTX with higher cloks and 512mb ddr3.
So should we forget about the 7900's?
walterman
10-26-05, 06:32 PM
I read somewhere that 1.5GHz chips have different pinout or something like that. It should mean that those chips cannot be put in the current 7800GTX PCB without modifications.

I hope they use faster memory chips anyway.
Riptide
10-26-05, 06:35 PM
If the clock speeds are higher I might use my evga tradeup option a lot sooner than I intended. But if it's just more of the same - then I'll probably wait it out until December to see if anything else comes out or at the least let prices drop a bit.
walterman
10-26-05, 06:38 PM
Does that evga tradeup option work outside USA ? (in West Europe countries)
Riptide
10-26-05, 06:38 PM
Really? You didnt believed Nvidia's volume launched of Geforce 7800 GTX on 22 June and Geforce 7800 GT on 11 Aug until you see the cards in stock?
I'm happy they did what they did. I wish ATI would do the same. But just because they managed to pull it off once is absolutely -0- guarantee that it will be exactly the same every time they launch a product henceforth. There is still room for skepticism IMO.
NoWayDude
10-26-05, 07:17 PM
I'm happy they did what they did. I wish ATI would do the same. But just because they managed to pull it off once is absolutely -0- guarantee that it will be exactly the same every time they launch a product henceforth. There is still room for skepticism IMO.

They actyually did it twice already
(GTX and GT)

We do not know exactly what NV is doing.I was looking at this article from B
D, reg the 7300GO http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24889, and stumble about some quotes
Tridam
According to Nvidia G72 is 90 nm. Same configuration as NV44 with 7800's pixel shader pipeline improvements.

Frequencies on Nvidia's webiste are misleading (they wrote the 6200 128 Mo frequency instead of the 6200 TC frequency).
GeForce 6200 TC 64 Mo : 350 / 275
GeForce Go 7300 TC 64 Mo : 350 / 300

40% improvement is Nvidia's figure. Not close to the reality as far as I know.

Any chance of 7800GTX 512 megs on 90nm?
Riptide
10-26-05, 07:22 PM
They actyually did it twice already
(GTX and GT)Kinda debatable really. The GTX launch is IMO the bigger trick of the two by far to pull off. It's easier to launch the slower card after the flagship is already out in quantity. But if you really want to split hairs, sure it was two I guess.

The X1800XL was available within a few days of launch so they've done it once IMO.

Regardless do you really trust ANY company to always stick by their release dates? I sure as hell don't. It's a big gray area and some have been worse than others but NOONE has been perfect.
Any chance of 7800GTX 512 megs on 90nm?God I sure hope so. And with increased clocks I'll be all over that like flies on a ribroast. :D
superklye
10-26-05, 07:33 PM
God I sure hope so. And with increased clocks I'll be all over that like flies on a Gibroast. :D
:D
Riptide
10-26-05, 07:37 PM
:lol2:
oushi.eg
10-26-05, 07:47 PM
what Frequencies do u guys think it will Run at ?
My guess 525\1400 on 110nm