7800 GTX512 to be 550/1800

[AthlonXP1800]

Gee, and what a surprise too:

I noticed you're obsessed with still calling it the "ultra". Well have it your way but the GTX has been the Ultra all this time.

Uhhh last year??? :confused:

The FAQ was posted at Nvidia site right the launch of 7800 GTX 256Mb in June 2005 this year. :rolleyes:

Maybe you right, you must be using your Time Traveller PC at your time in 2006.

[Ninjaman09]

Uhhh last year??? :confused:

The FAQ was posted at Nvidia site right the launch of 7800 GTX 256Mb in June 2005 this year. :rolleyes:

Maybe you right, you must be using your Time Traveller PC at your time in 2006.
Ah, you're right excuse me. It was 6 months ago. Regardless it makes no difference. The fact is there never was a 7800 Ultra and there never will be a 7800 Ultra. :p

[Fotis]

All the exta bandwidth is needed to battle ATIs supremacy in AA benchmarks where the X1800XT is up to 30% faster.

[SH64]

Tim'] Serious Sam II , and next on the list is Oblivion and UT2007...they all do HDR + AA....Fact.

I cant get AA to work with HDR in SSII :eek2:

[agentkay]

All the exta bandwidth is needed to battle ATIs supremacy in AA benchmarks where the X1800XT is up to 30% faster.


There is nothing thats truely "needed". NV could have sit it out with a "regular" 512MB GTX, with regular spec memory and clocks. Sure it wouldn´t sell as good as the XT, but it would be cheaper to produce and most likely have a cheaper price as well. NV wanted to have the crown, they wanted to clearly win this round, which they already did anyway (I highly doubt that ATIs R520 will outsell all the GT´s and GTX´s anytime soon)... they wanted to kick ATI´s ass one more time this year and after all its only healthly to have a faster performing card "IF" you lack a feature (HDR+AA).

And considering how long the speculation of an "Ultra" or "superweapon" were going on (long before the R520 performance/specs were public), and that it actually completely stopped at a time, and all out of sudden came out again, is quite interesting as well.

[evilchris]

Yeah, NV won this round back in June when 7800 launched. Better luck next year for ATI. 2005 = NVIDIA.

[Fotis]

Well it seems that most developers are not using FP16 HDR but lower quality(int) HDR in which AA works for all cards.

[agentkay]

Well it seems that most developers are not using FP16 HDR but lower quality(int) HDR in which AA works for all cards.

Well PC gaming is alot about lowest common demoninator, so Int16 HDR is fine as a fallback path but I would certainly hope that FP16HDR catches on and bascially becomes a standard. I think it might take G80´s and R600´s to get truelly smooth framesrates with FP16HDR and AA (assuming the G80 will be able to do it) and at high resolutions. I haven´t looked into the benchies but I have a feeling that the R520 doesn´t deliver the necessary performance yet.

[Delbert]

A question for all you whom seem to be able to calculate these things.... Do the spec's being talked about here ( 580/1750 or even better ) mean that us poor single card people may finally be able to game @ 1600x1200 4xTAA\16xAF with decent frames, providing we get a decent CPU to push it along.( eyeing possible upgrade solutions here ;) )
Or will SLI still be required ? What do you think a sungle card would be capable of ?
TIA

[trinibwoy]

Tim']WRONG!!! It's the way of devs implementing it....I play HDR + AA on DOD:Source, Serious Sam II , and next on the list is Oblivion and UT2007...they all do HDR + AA....Fact.

You're funny. The G70 has native hardware support for OpenEXR HDR - any games that implement AA+HDR have to forego this dedicated hardware support and do it by playing with multiple render targets and hackish shaders. Which any card since the 9700pro can also do. So exactly what am I wrong about again? Please know what you're talking about before using all those exclamation marks ;)

[coldpower27]

The G70 Can't do FP16 HDR + AA. But there are other HDR + AA methods besides this.

[oushi.eg]

is there any chance to an architecture change in next G70 Core
Beside the clocks ?

i can't imagine G7x in 90 nm. i think it will hit 650 mhz for single slot cooling

[Fotis]

is there any chance to an architecture change in next G70 Core
Beside the clocks ?

i can't imagine G7x in 90 nm. i think it will hit 650 mhz for single slot cooling
I don't think Nvidia will be using 90nm for a G7X high end chip.They'll surely use 90nm for their G80 chip though which is a Q3 2006 product afaik.

[PeterJensen]

I think we can all agree on that Nvidia will not settle for 2nd place with a chip like the G7x. I think there is no doubt that they will release a 7800 "ultra" with 512mb ram.
Hov fast will it be? Only Nvidia knows that, but i think it will be fast.

[Superfly]

Tim']WRONG!!! It's the way of devs implementing it....I play HDR + AA on DOD:Source, Serious Sam II , and next on the list is Oblivion and UT2007...they all do HDR + AA....Fact.

What a penis....Fact.

[killahsin]

The extra bandwith will be needed for light bounces on true next gen games. That + aa+hdr will eat it up pretty easily.