View Full Version : Senate Goes Into Rare Closed Session
Tyr-Sog
11-01-05, 05:08 PM
Not much to the story as of yet except for what the title suggest. Sounds like maybe some **** is aout to hit the fan.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174187,00.html
Any predictions?
I'm personally hoping for a huge shake up.
Woohoo sexual free-for-all!!!
Democrats have been asking for am inquiry into why we were so wrong with our WMD intelligence since 2003. The Republicans have agreed when it was politically convenient and then stone-walled the whole process.
Shamrock
11-01-05, 10:51 PM
Here's why a closed session
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051102/ap_on_go_co/senate_iraq
Democrats have been asking for am inquiry into why we were so wrong with our WMD intelligence since 2003. The Republicans have agreed when it was politically convenient and then stone-walled the whole process.
So, Clinton wasn't wrong when he said that Iraq had WMDs in 1998, a sentiment and opinion shared and voiced by such lunimaries as Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, Al Gore, John Kerry, and many more? Are we so beset by tunnel vision that we ignore the realities of the limitations of our intelligence gathering techniques? You are sounding like a broken record and it is actually quite annoying. Would you care to discuss a topic or are you just going to continue spewing these vitriolic two line statements? I do not know how bright you are, but I would love to find out. Espouse a political viewpoint and explain why you feel that way. Please just have an original idea, rather thatn your party's current,"GOP bad" dogma.
Rakeesh
11-01-05, 11:09 PM
You're the man bknblk.
So, Clinton wasn't wrong when he said that Iraq had WMDs in 1998, a sentiment and opinion shared and voiced by such lunimaries as Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, Al Gore, John Kerry, and many more? Are we so beset by tunnel vision that we ignore the realities of the limitations of our intelligence gathering techniques? You are sounding like a broken record and it is actually quite annoying. Would you care to discuss a topic or are you just going to continue spewing these vitriolic two line statements? I do not know how bright you are, but I would love to find out. Espouse a political viewpoint and explain why you feel that way. Please just have an original idea, rather thatn your party's current,"GOP bad" dogma.
Ummm. Yes, I know. You don't think that means there was an intelligence failure that has compounded across multiple administrations? If there was a failure, why aren't you in favor of an investigation to determine why so we can try and prevent it from happening again?
Rakeesh
11-02-05, 12:39 AM
Ummm. Yes, I know. You don't think that means there was an intelligence failure that has compounded across multiple administrations? If there was a failure, why aren't you in favor of an investigation to determine why so we can try and prevent it from happening again?
They already know the "why's," an investigation would be aimed at the "who's."
They already know the "why's," an investigation would be aimed at the "who's."
Really? If we knew why it was going to be bad then why did they use it to begin with??? (I am confused). The investigation should focus on who, why, when, and how? It's the only way to get to the bottom of things.
Rakeesh
11-02-05, 12:58 AM
Really? If we knew why it was going to be bad then why did they use it to begin with??? (I am confused). The investigation should focus on who, why, when, and how? It's the only way to get to the bottom of things.
They know the why's once everything is brought into question. The investigation is only aimed at figuring out who to blame.
They know the why's once everything is brought into question. The investigation is only aimed at figuring out who to blame.
I don't know why. The competency of entire intelligence agency must be evaluated We need to know exactly why it has failed. For example: Is it communications, structural, logistical, lack of funding, too much funding, ... The failures are there, we just need to track them to the source. Where ever that leads. Not doing anything is retarded.
Ancient
11-02-05, 08:06 AM
This closed-door session was nothing more than a tantrum by the Democrats as a reaction to the Plamegate investigation basically coming up empty-handed. Sure, they got a Scooter for Fitzmas but it appears their real target, Rove, is going to walk, not frog-march. There have been two investigations already concerning the intelligence failures and what led us to war so it's patently ridiculous for Reid and Durbin to pull this stunt. It makes the Dems look like a bunch of foot-stomping whiners who pout when their fantasies don't come true, which is pretty much what they've been doing ever since Bush got elected the first go-round ("He stole the 2000 election!")
The Democrats are just further marginalizing themselves on the political stage by pulling this kind of stunt. If they want to look into lies, why don't they look into the lies by Joe Wilson, consider his motivation for lying, and use that as a bit of self-reflection?
This closed-door session was nothing more than a tantrum by the Democrats as a reaction to the Plamegate investigation basically coming up empty-handed. Sure, they got a Scooter for Fitzmas but it appears their real target, Rove, is going to walk, not frog-march. There have been two investigations already concerning the intelligence failures and what led us to war so it's patently ridiculous for Reid and Durbin to pull this stunt. It makes the Dems look like a bunch of foot-stomping whiners who pout when their fantasies don't come true, which is pretty much what they've been doing ever since Bush got elected the first go-round ("He stole the 2000 election!")
The Democrats are just further marginalizing themselves on the political stage by pulling this kind of stunt. If they want to look into lies, why don't they look into the lies by Joe Wilson, consider his motivation for lying, and use that as a bit of self-reflection?
You are such a believer in democracy. :rolleyes:
Ancient
11-02-05, 10:31 AM
You are such a believer in democracy. :rolleyes:
What's your definition of Democracy? Keep investigating the GOP until the findings satisy your preconceived notion of guilt?
As far as I'm aware, one of the tenets and foundational ideas of this country is "Innocent until proven guilty." I don't see you exercising that particular form of democracy. You seem to believe they are absolutely guilty, despite the findings of two previous investigations on the issue, and want to keep having investigations until someone satisfies that notion of yours. That doesn't sound like you're any bearer of the democracy standard to me.
CybrSage
11-02-05, 10:39 AM
Roberts' committee produced a 511-page report in 2004 on flaws in an Iraq intelligence estimate assembled by the country's top analysts in October 2002, and he promised a second phase would look at issues that couldn't be finished in the first year of work.
The committee worked on the second phase of the review, Roberts said, but it has not finished. He blamed Democrats for the delays and said his staff had informed Democratic counterparts on Monday that the committee hoped to complete the second phase next week.
They aleady knew the flaws back in 2004. They will find out the results of the second stage next week. They were already informed of this before they invoked this session.
My view is they invoked this session to give the appearance they forced the issue on the second phase. They will now say the second phase was completed because they called the secret session...even though they were well aware of its impending completion beforehand.
Only time will tell why they called this session.
CybrSage
11-02-05, 10:41 AM
It also appears the dems are being mean spirited about this.
Reid's move violated the Senate's tradition of courtesy and consent.
...it was the first time in more than two decades the chamber has been forced into a closed session without bipartisian agreement.
i hate political parties. they ruin democracy when they begin to fight for their party instead of whats best for the country.
(btw, i dont even want to get going on this whole WMD debate and whos right/wrong, because when you think about it in the end, both parties do good things and both do very stupid things)
This closed-door session was nothing more than a tantrum by the Democrats as a reaction to the Plamegate investigation basically coming up empty-handed. Sure, they got a Scooter for Fitzmas but it appears their real target, Rove, is going to walk, not frog-march. There have been two investigations already concerning the intelligence failures and what led us to war so it's patently ridiculous for Reid and Durbin to pull this stunt. It makes the Dems look like a bunch of foot-stomping whiners who pout when their fantasies don't come true, which is pretty much what they've been doing ever since Bush got elected the first go-round ("He stole the 2000 election!")
The Democrats are just further marginalizing themselves on the political stage by pulling this kind of stunt. If they want to look into lies, why don't they look into the lies by Joe Wilson, consider his motivation for lying, and use that as a bit of self-reflection?
BINGO! This was nothing but a melt down by the Democrats because Fitzpatrick said the investigation was stripped of the debate about pre-war arguments. The Democrats flipped and in order to keep this on the front pages pulled this stunt.
Democrats have been asking for am inquiry into why we were so wrong with our WMD intelligence since 2003. The Republicans have agreed when it was politically convenient and then stone-walled the whole process.
We have already had a commission that looked into this exact issue. They found no political pressure was found to change intelligence to favor the administration. They said it was bad intelligence not trumped up intelligence. The Dems are just grand standing.
vitocorleone
11-02-05, 03:03 PM
Conservatives are funny no matter what forum you read. I especially love the double standards they apply and the laughable, faux, holier-than-thou, self-righteous indignation. Keep up the good work - the rest of the country and the world needs a good belly-laugh now and then!
Of course the Democrats are grandstanding (we all know Republicans NEVER do this, right? lol)! They're all politicians! But that doesn't change the fact that there's new questions into what why when happened and that the Republicans have done next to nothing to find out... no surprise considering their corrupt leadership. Republicans seem to be very easily distracted, all about the sound and the fury rather than the actual facts.
It's also amusing to read how conservatives and/or republicans think the democrats are "marginalizing" themselves when all of the concrete evidence of late actually points to how the republican party is staggering under its own weight and the truism of how power corrupts. And much of the public - even republicans - seem to think so as well judging by the recent polls over the last month or more. Wake up, the party is over. The only way Bush can succeed is by more weapons of mass distraction.
Ninjaman09
11-02-05, 03:04 PM
laughable, faux, holier-than-thou, self-righteous indignation.
Quoted for irony.
vitocorleone
11-02-05, 03:06 PM
Quoted for irony.
Quoted again for even more irony. Feel free to add to the thread topic.
CybrSage
11-02-05, 03:08 PM
Conservatives are funny no matter what forum you read. I especially love the double standards they apply and the laughable, faux, holier-than-thou, self-righteous indignation. Keep up the good work - the rest of the country and the world needs a good belly-laugh now and then!
Of course the Democrats are grandstanding (we all know Republicans NEVER do this, right? lol)! They're all politicians! But that doesn't change the fact that there's new questions into what why when happened and that the Republicans have done next to nothing to find out... no surprise considering their corrupt leadership. Republicans seem to be very easily distracted, all about the sound and the fury rather than the actual facts.
It's also amusing to read how conservatives and/or republicans think the democrats are "marginalizing" themselves when all of the concrete evidence of late actually points to how the republican party is staggering under its own weight and the truism of how power corrupts. And much of the public - even republicans - seem to think so as well judging by the recent polls over the last month or more. Wake up, the party is over. The only way Bush can succeed is by more weapons of mass distraction.
Bored cause rage3d is down? Maybe it is not and my work has started blocking it...
The problem here is that the first report came out last year, and the other is due to come out Monday, yet there needs to be a super-secret session for some unknown reason. Why not wait until after the second report is issued on Monday and THEN call a super secret session if one is still needed?
Just because the repubs did something bad in the past does not mean the dems shoudl do something bad in the present...
He is just inserting a monologue that has nothing to do with the topic. In other word, he is just passing through.
Quoted again for even more irony. Feel free to add to the thread topic.
This reply doesn't make any sense, especially since your initial post contains nothing to do with the topic.
vitocorleone
11-02-05, 03:10 PM
Bored cause rage3d is down? Maybe it is not and my work has started blocking it...
The problem here is that the first report came out last year, and the other is due to come out Monday, yet there needs to be a super-secret session for some unknown reason. Why not wait until after the second report is issued on Monday and THEN call a super secret session if one is still needed?
Just because the repubs did something bad in the past does not mean the dems shoudl do something bad in the present...
Muahaha. Yeah, a little. Sad life I have, I suppose.
I fully agree that the Dems are making political hay out of this (as the Reps would). I also fully agree that the Dems shouldn't do something bad just because the Reps have and continue to do so. But I don't hear any outrage about the Rep behavior (past or presence) from existing Reps, but they sure do shout about Dem behavior!
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