Turn a 9500 Pro into a 9700 Pro

[volt]

Well RivaTuner has been updated so give that a go :)

[lagadu]

Originally posted by MrNasty
Poor guys who bought 9700 got owned by ATI :D it's always more wise to wait a bit for stuff like this to happen.

I got my little 9500 running faster than a 9700 pro and it works so sweet. 9700/pro = ripoff.

the 9500 still needs overclocking to reach 9700pro clockspeeds, plus the 9700pro has 2.8ns mem vs 3.3 and 3.6 in the 9500, so it'll always be able to overclock further
it's like overclocking a 4200 to 4600 speeds and saying the 4600 is a POS compared to the 4200.

plus ati can counter the soft mods in the drivers should they choose to.

heh, i might buy a 9500 128mb just to try this out :)

[netape]

You guys forget one thing: The artifacts. "30 %" (X-bit Labs (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=1042408060)) of the cards are defective. That's a risk you'll have to take if you buy and mod your card. But if it works, you'll save a good amount of money.

[Gar]

If you go to [H]ard forums you'll notice than many people are getting checkered board pixels during lighting effects in games (UT2003, 3DMARK ECT.) Many of these people had it even though they did a soft-mod. I would hesitate until more facts are uncovered about the mod and what the probability of ruining your card is. Just becasue a couple of sites say that 3 out of 4 cards worked perfect doesn't meant that is going to be the general consensus with all 9500pro owners.

[Lamentation]

Soft-mod will NOT ruin your card, and it doesn't work for 9500 pro's anyway, only 9500 non-pro's.

[ONTHEFLY]

IMO, only get the Saphire 9500 non pro, 128MB, 256bit bus, built on the red 9700 PCB,as these seem to have the highest success rate so far..............and only get one if you plan on being happy with the stock performance of the card (which btw ,ain't too shabby either! ), that way, you won't be too dissapointed if the mod doesn't work out for you.

Like someone said earlier, its a crap shoot! :eek:

[MrNasty]

Or just RMA your card if the mod does not work until you get a working one :)

They don't even check, just say you get a blank screen and a friends card worked fine... worked for me !

Best value card ever.

[netape]

Originally posted by MrNasty
Or just RMA your card if the mod does not work until you get a working one :)

That's really :lame: to do that. People like you make the prices go up... If you do the mod you must take the consequences too.

[madthumbs]

>>it's like overclocking a 4200 to 4600 speeds and saying the 4600 is a POS compared to the 4200.<<

-This mod is much different. It's doubling the pipelines to the gpu from 4 to 8 practically doubling the performance without overclocking. The overclocking would just make it that much better yet.

[MrNasty]

Originally posted by netape
That's really :lame: to do that. People like you make the prices go up... If you do the mod you must take the consequences too.

STFU, it's withing my consumer rights to ask for a replacement if it does not meet my expectations.

Modding the card does not damage the card so don't be dumb, I use software mod so the hardware is not changed and they can do what they like with it and sell it to somone else.

Blame people like me all you want but thats like saying people are lame for demanding the best video card because that increases prices... any blame lies with ATIs RMA policy because they don't mind RMAing cards like mine so the problem lies with them not with me.

Go bch at ATi If you don't like it. :mad:

[madthumbs]

Originally posted by MrNasty
STFU, it's withing my consumer rights to ask for a replacement if it does not meet my expectations.

Modding the card does not damage the card so don't be dumb, I use software mod so the hardware is not changed and they can do what they like with it and sell it to somone else.

Blame people like me all you want but thats like saying people are lame for demanding the best video card because that increases prices... any blame lies with ATIs RMA policy because they don't mind RMAing cards like mine so the problem lies with them not with me.

Go bch at ATi If you don't like it. :mad:

-If ati didn't rma your card, it's likely that people would dammage the card so they could rma it for a different reason. Because they allow you to rma, they are able to at least recoup some of the loss by selling it as a refurb. Therefore the blame does not lie in ati's rma policy. I don't see how you can ethically justify returning a used product that meets advertised specs. If you were responsible, wouldn't you try to instead sell it on eBay? I'm sure you'd get very close to what you paid for it.

[netape]

Originally posted by MrNasty
STFU, it's withing my consumer rights to ask for a replacement if it does not meet my expectations.

Modding the card does not damage the card so don't be dumb, I use software mod so the hardware is not changed and they can do what they like with it and sell it to somone else.

Blame people like me all you want but thats like saying people are lame for demanding the best video card because that increases prices... any blame lies with ATIs RMA policy because they don't mind RMAing cards like mine so the problem lies with them not with me.

Go bch at ATi If you don't like it. :mad:

1. Modded card doesn't meet your expectations? LOL. That's like buying a Toyota and returning it, because you couldn't tune it to Ferrari speeds.

2. How can they sell it when the box is opened?

3. How can they know if the card is actually damaged? You should only RMA your card, if it's damaged. That's ATi's RMA policy.

[lagadu]

that's called stealing, the card WILL work as advertised, 4 pipes, 128bit bus, you have no legal grounds to rma a card that works just as advertised, if you do that because of the mod it's called larceny (i think this is the right word) and has legal consequences because like netape said:
3. How can they know if the card is actually damaged? You should only RMA your card, if it's damaged. That's ATi's RMA policy.
:p

[madthumbs]

Well, my card is chock full of checkerboards, but I see ebay has them selling used for more than I payed for new. I ordered another one, and am gonna sell this one there most likely for a profit.

[MrNasty]

Ok you convinced me, im a big fat theif exploitin ATIs RMA policy by RMAing a card which is in perfect working condition as advertised ( except when it's modded ).


My moral standpoint is that ATI aggreed to RMA it, I did not force it down their throats... maybe they should of plugged it in and tested it to see if I my RMA was legit. Oh well not my problem they RMAd it at my request so I'm happy and they were happy to RMA it...

No problem I can see. ATI are not the ones bitching at me.

:)

[StealthHawk]

you don't think that lying about the card not working to get ATI to RMA it is wrong?

:rolleyes:

[netape]

Originally posted by MrNasty
My moral standpoint is that ATI aggreed to RMA it, I did not force it down their throats...

You didn't? What did you say to them then? "This card didn't work when I modded it"? :rolleyes:

[creedamd]

I can't believe that most of these people are talking about morals, I suppose none of you ever do any wrong?:rolleyes:

I think it is jealousy, I wouldn't pay an ounce of attention to it. Some people need to grow up and stop trying to be wanna be angels.

[madthumbs]

I can't see why return it to ati and hurt their business when you can sell it through ebay for more... unless your user rating sucks.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by creedamd
I can't believe that most of these people are talking about morals, I suppose none of you ever do any wrong?:rolleyes:

there's a BIG difference between doing something wrong for yourself and by yourself, and telling others that they should also partake in it.

[Lamentation]

Well, my 9500 to 9700 card works great, only the most minor pixel popping like pushing ram too hard in the fancy demos but games work great. I wouldn't have returned the card if it didn't work. I'm not sure I would have returned an actual 9700pro if it gave me the same artifacts. This actually seems like a great thing for ATI. I never beleived in the image quality improvement until I had the chance to see if for myself, and I wouldn't have paid 300 or 400 for the experiment. There is a very good chance my next card will be ATI.

[nin_fragile14]

Talk about the mod, but quit mentioning the plan to RMA the card if it doesn't work... it's just making people pissed.

[creedamd]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
there's a BIG difference between doing something wrong for yourself and by yourself, and telling others that they should also partake in it.

Understood

[madthumbs]

My second one was more of a success. I got minor grey checkerboards only when I turned fsaa on! The checkerboards were much less noticeable than before. I'm quite happy now!

[mongoled]

This was my post at another well known forum

;)


Fist of all thank you very much unwinder. Very much appreciated all your support.
Of course my problems are user error

:O

I should maybe cut down on this green *hit ;) , as you said i probably applied da patch as a z1, which u were correct!

:P

So i have now applied it correctly and it is showing up and benching as it should

:D

I am very happy thank you again unwinder you are da master.

Just to report on my glitches. It seems that the slight graphical errors pippino and i have been reporting which differs from the majority of users occurs when all pipelines are enabled. Im thinking that sum R300 chips had dodgy pipelines and other ones had a crippled HyperZ/HSR feature. Im leening towards checkerbrd equalling bad pipes to the error pippino and me get to crippled HyperZ/HSR feature.

If anyone has an opinion on this please post in this forum.....(*hit the link is down i put it here later)

Any thanxs again, here are my results


Card Mode aka9700Pro/aka firegl z1/aka firegl x1

---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
3dsmax-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 9.268/14.57/14.76

---------- SUM_RESULTS\DRV\SUMMARY.TXT
drv-08 Weighted Geometric Mean = 28.04/53.07/69.96

---------- SUM_RESULTS\DX\SUMMARY.TXT
dx-07 Weighted Geometric Mean = 49.34/78.37/83.85

---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
light-05 Weighted Geometric Mean = 11.43/20.77/21.03

---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
proe-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 9.718/16.92/16.96

---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
ugs-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 12.92/19.44/22.80


3DMark2001 320/310(620)

9500aka9700Pro: 14123
9500aka firegl X1 128Mb: 14030

Nice1
L8rs