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CHEVYMAN_02
11-15-05, 05:09 PM
Doesn't look like i will be get a 360? I refuse to pay $60 for a video game just because it works with a new system. I rather pay the $50 than $60. I know it is only $10 more but that is $10 i can spend on something else. That is just my opinion though.

saturnotaku
11-15-05, 05:25 PM
Meh, your loss.

Mr_LoL
11-15-05, 05:40 PM
IGN-review
"Visually, PGR3 is set up to look absolutely gorgeous when in 720p or 1080i. It's still pretty in 480p, but it looks more like an Xbox game to be honest. The high-def setting makes a world of difference. If you don't have a High-definition set-up, look into it quick!"

That quote makes me worried.

Edge
11-15-05, 06:06 PM
Maybe your problem is that you're buying all your games the second they're launched for full price. I don't know why people complain about "it costs more money" when they're probably already paying $50 or $55 (lets not forget about the PC versions of HL2 and Doom 3). If you really cared about money, you'd wait for games to drop to $20 or go on sale...that's how I've been able to buy over 100 games from this generation and still have plenty of money left over on a moderately low-paying job. I bet within a month of when the Xbox 360 is launched, you'll be able to get those games for under $50 (hell, in many cases they're already (http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4511397?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG) under (http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4577647?site=sa:Homepage:Spot2) $60 (http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4457526?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG)). Also, it should be noted that all first party Xbox 360 launch games retail for $49.99.

To be honest, while I don't like the idea of games going up in price, it's pretty much inevitable. Games now cost much more to develop, and the videogame market is one of the few where the costs of products HAVEN'T succumb to inflation yet. Which is really surprising, since effectively the value of games has gone down over time...did you know that buying a PS1 game in 1995 for $50 would be equivalent to paying $62 for a game today?

Mr. Hunt
11-15-05, 06:10 PM
IGN-review
"Visually, PGR3 is set up to look absolutely gorgeous when in 720p or 1080i. It's still pretty in 480p, but it looks more like an Xbox game to be honest. The high-def setting makes a world of difference. If you don't have a High-definition set-up, look into it quick!"

That quote makes me worried.

Yeah... that is why I am putting purchasing a new HDTV above anything else right now...

Mr_LoL
11-15-05, 06:15 PM
Yeah... that is why I am putting purchasing a new HDTV above anything else right now...

Does a HDTV have to be a flatscreen tft? They are really expensive.

Mr. Hunt
11-15-05, 06:23 PM
Does a HDTV have to be a flatscreen tft? They are really expensive.

Not exactly sure what you mean... do you mean flat as in LCD and Plasma sets? Or just flat screen like plasmas, tubes, LCDs, blah blah blah... basically anything but old school "bubble" tubes? :\

Sorry... I am retarded in understanding stuff....

But I imagine an HDTV is and HDTV... Sony makes a great tube flatscreen that will run you about 2000... but of course you could go with a smaller set with fewer features (just be sure to get HDMI input).

Basically... ask evilchris... he know smore than me :\.

RAY16
11-15-05, 06:27 PM
Meh, I'll just buy that adapter that lets you connect the X360 to a monitor.

Mr_LoL
11-15-05, 06:30 PM
Not exactly sure what you mean... do you mean flat as in LCD and Plasma sets? Or just flat screen like plasmas, tubes, LCDs, blah blah blah... basically anything but old school "bubble" tubes? :\

Sorry... I am retarded in understanding stuff....

But I imagine an HDTV is and HDTV... Sony makes a great tube flatscreen that will run you about 2000... but of course you could go with a smaller set with fewer features (just be sure to get HDMI input).

Basically... ask evilchris... he know smore than me :\.

I mean does a Hdtv always have to be like this http://www.lowestonweb.com/Products/DisplayInfoMain.asp?e=C4F0E39D-B919-4398-96D3-4AF669EFCC9C
or can it be like this
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5373165/Trail/C%24cip%3D28956.Sound%2Band%2Bvision%3EC%24cip%3D2 9029.Televisions%3EC%24cip%3D29032.Widescreen%2Bte levisions.htm

GamerGuyX
11-15-05, 06:32 PM
Doesn't look like i will be get a 360? I refuse to pay $60 for a video game just because it works with a new system. I rather pay the $50 than $60. I know it is only $10 more but that is $10 i can spend on something else. That is just my opinion though.

You don't have to pay $60 for all Xbox 360 games. All first-party 360 games are $50.

I mean does a Hdtv always have to be like this http://www.lowestonweb.com/Products/DisplayInfoMain.asp?e=C4F0E39D-B919-4398-96D3-4AF669EFCC9C
or can it be like this
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5373165/Trail/C%24cip%3D28956.Sound%2Band%2Bvision%3EC%24cip%3D2 9029.Televisions%3EC%24cip%3D29032.Widescreen%2Bte levisions.htm

No an HDTV is an HDTV. Current HDTV's are either driven by CRT, LCD, DLP, Plasma, LCoS technology, etc. The generally agreed upon definition of HDTV is approximately twice the vertical and horizontal picture resolution of today's NTSC TV, which essentially makes the picture twice as sharp. HDTV also has a screen ratio of 16:9 as compared with most of today's TV screens, which have a screen ratio of 4:3.

For clarification, I currently own the Sony KD-34XBR960 HDTV:

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Sony-KD-34XBR960-1274-O-10-11

My HDTV is a Direct-View CRT but that does not mean all Direct-View CRT's are HDTV's. For it to be an HDTV it must at least 720p and/or 1080i resolution.

slick
11-15-05, 07:08 PM
For those of you worrying about TV's just get a VGA adapter and use your computer monitor. Any decent CRT or LCD will do 720p (or similar resolution) no problem. If you don't want to go for an HDTV but want a NICE monitor, then go look for a Sony FWD900 on the bay. The closest thing you'll get to an HDTV without buying an HDTV is one of those bad boys (and it'll do insane resolutions - 1920x1200 @ 85Hz recommended, 2304x1440 @ 80Hz max).

superklye
11-15-05, 07:21 PM
All modern (and I would think even first generation) HDTVs are flatscreen (different from flat panel, which is the 1" or so thick TVs). In fact, I don't think the round-screen TVs are even made anymore, except in cheapo models. The flat-screen tube weighs a hell of a lot more, but the picture quality improvement is worth it.

I've got a 27" flat-screen with a three-line digital comb filter and the picture is very crisp and sharp. It was only $180 at Sam's Club and is a fine hold-over until I absolutely have to get an HDTV.

lognoronon
11-15-05, 08:36 PM
I don't forsee myself owning a better TV than what I have until many many years from now. They are just way too damn expensive. I'll stick to my normal 32 inch trinitron until I can get an hd for 600 or less that is good.

GamerGuyX
11-15-05, 09:12 PM
All modern (and I would think even first generation) HDTVs are flatscreen (different from flat panel, which is the 1" or so thick TVs). In fact, I don't think the round-screen TVs are even made anymore, except in cheapo models. The flat-screen tube weighs a hell of a lot more, but the picture quality improvement is worth it.

Actually that's not true. :)

For example:

http://ultimateavmag.com/crtdisplays/61/

Loewe Aconda's CRT HDTV's are known as some of the best HDTV's ever made.

superklye
11-15-05, 09:18 PM
Actually that's not true. :)

For example:

http://ultimateavmag.com/crtdisplays/61/

Loewe Aconda's CRT HDTV's are known as some of the best HDTV's ever made.
Huh. Odd. I've never seen a non-flat screen HDTV in any store, which is where I based my post.

I was under the impression that the flat screen CRTs offered a superior picture as well as allowed for the digital comb filter (which I suppose isn't necessay on an HDTV) and those weren't possible with the rounded tube.

Again, on the subject of HDTVs: I stand corrected.

Mr_LoL
11-15-05, 11:40 PM
For those of you worrying about TV's just get a VGA adapter and use your computer monitor. Any decent CRT or LCD will do 720p (or similar resolution) no problem. If you don't want to go for an HDTV but want a NICE monitor, then go look for a Sony FWD900 on the bay. The closest thing you'll get to an HDTV without buying an HDTV is one of those bad boys (and it'll do insane resolutions - 1920x1200 @ 85Hz recommended, 2304x1440 @ 80Hz max).

If I do decide to get the xbox 360, I dont think i can hook it up to my normal computer screen as I only have a 17 inch lcd and I would want to surf and play at the same time. I cant believe thatPGR3 at 480i looks like an xbox game. I hope they are exaggerating.

Nv40
11-16-05, 01:43 AM
If I do decide to get the xbox 360, I dont think i can hook it up to my normal computer screen as I only have a 17 inch lcd and I would want to surf and play at the same time. I cant believe thatPGR3 at 480i looks like an xbox game. I hope they are exaggerating.


the game looks like an Xbox1 game at any resolution anyway.. :)

A little of topic.. will it be possible to use your monitor in the Xbox360 or PS3 ? with decent quality ?

evilchris
11-16-05, 01:58 AM
IGN-review
"Visually, PGR3 is set up to look absolutely gorgeous when in 720p or 1080i. It's still pretty in 480p, but it looks more like an Xbox game to be honest. The high-def setting makes a world of difference. If you don't have a High-definition set-up, look into it quick!"

That quote makes me worried.

Why? It's about time. 480p is SDTV and is the biggest problem with console games, they look like **** in that res.

evilchris
11-16-05, 01:59 AM
Does a HDTV have to be a flatscreen tft? They are really expensive.

Nope, you can buy a nice Sony 27" tube for around 700$

evilchris
11-16-05, 02:00 AM
I mean does a Hdtv always have to be like this http://www.lowestonweb.com/Products/DisplayInfoMain.asp?e=C4F0E39D-B919-4398-96D3-4AF669EFCC9C
or can it be like this
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5373165/Trail/C%24cip%3D28956.Sound%2Band%2Bvision%3EC%24cip%3D2 9029.Televisions%3EC%24cip%3D29032.Widescreen%2Bte levisions.htm
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5373165/Trail/C%24cip%3D28956.Sound%2Band%2Bvision%3EC%24cip%3D2 9029.Televisions%3EC%24cip%3D29032.Widescreen%2Bte levisions.htm isn't an HDTV.

evilchris
11-16-05, 02:04 AM
No an HDTV is an HDTV. Current HDTV's are either driven by CRT, LCD, DLP, Plasma, LCoS technology, etc. The generally agreed upon definition of HDTV is approximately twice the vertical and horizontal picture resolution of today's NTSC TV, which essentially makes the picture twice as sharp. HDTV also has a screen ratio of 16:9 as compared with most of today's TV screens, which have a screen ratio of 4:3.




Woah horsey! Twice as sharp? Twice the resolution? 1080i hasover 6 times the picture resolution of NTSC!

HD is also considered to be 4 times finer than even DVD.

As far as sharpness, did you know the 960 Sony tube is 65% sharper than the last XBR 34, the 910?

Edge
11-16-05, 11:48 AM
the game looks like an Xbox1 game at any resolution anyway.. :)
Please don't tell me that you think this (http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/257/927245_20050915_screen002.jpg) isn't any improvement over this (http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/562117_20040708_screen007.jpg).

JamesDax
11-16-05, 11:58 AM
Please don't tell me that you think this (http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/257/927245_20050915_screen002.jpg) isn't any improvement over this (http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/562117_20040708_screen007.jpg).

Edge, there appears to be alot of PC gamers in denial over what the XBox 360 can do.

Mr_LoL
11-16-05, 12:15 PM
Nope, you can buy a nice Sony 27" tube for around 700$
Whats the model number for the sony tube? Lets see if I can find it for sale as those lcd's are really expensive/

evilchris
11-16-05, 12:29 PM
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=KV27HS420&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=tv_27%22to32%22TVs

Great price. I haven't viewed this tube though. It's a 420, which is Sony's low end HD tube. Don't expect 960 type quality of display, but I'm sure it looks good. Keep in mind it is 4:3, so all HD programming/games will be "letterboxed". A 27" 4:3 is equivalent to about a 24" 16x9 set.

Get phenomenal picture resolution with Sony's KV-27HS420 FD Trinitron® WEGA® Hi-Scan® TV.


Hi-Scan 1080i™ Display
16:9 Enhanced Mode
DRC™ Digital Reality Creation™ MultiFunction Circuitry
CineMotion™ Reverse 3-2 Pulldown Technology
HDMI/HDCP Interface