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Capt. Picard
12-02-05, 05:15 AM
I am considering bying an AMD instead of an Intel. What I would like to know is does the intels have larger cache sizes than the AMDs and does the AMD still run at higher temperatures than the intels.

I am also want to know how want brands/makers of nVidia or Ati's cards are the best.

I am not that up to date on hardware components an prices.

Superfly
12-02-05, 05:21 AM
Intel does have the larger cache, AMD is cooler and faster within the same price point at present.

AthlonXP1800
12-02-05, 06:06 AM
I checked Intel's L1 and L2 cache, no it does not have larger cache than AMD.

Pentium 4 840 Dual Core

L1 Cache: 28K per core ((Two 16KB Data Caches & Two 12KB Micro-op Execution Trace Caches)
L2 Cache: 1Mb per core
Total Cache: 2104KB

Athlon 64 X2 4400+

L1 Cache: 128K per core
L2 Cache: 1Mb per core
Total Cache: 2304KB

Yes AMD is faster and cooler.

j0j081
12-02-05, 07:31 AM
I would go with AMD for the processor because unless you've been living under a rock you know they are the r0x0r for most things right now. As for the vid card it's more preference. Best bang for the buck is probably the way to go.

mx125race
12-02-05, 10:27 AM
AMD processor, and tihs is coming from and intel-user for 5+ years lol. I'm making the switch for Christmas. If you do some searching, you'll see that even the 3500+ Venice can dominate some of the3.6ghz Extreme edition's from Intel. and the X2 3800+ pulled ahead of some of Intel's 800-1100 dollar dual core chips. As for nVidia video cards, I'd go with #1 eVGA, #2BfG,#3XFX, #4 PNY. For ATi, probably sapphire. oh and amd runs much more cooler, even when overclocked. when at stock speeds, you can enable amd's Cool 'n Quiet and it makes an even greater difference.

good luck, have fun upgrading. (xmassign)

six_storm
12-02-05, 11:27 AM
AMD > Intel

Intel makes some pretty hot CPUs . . . not good for any PC lol.

Tr1cK
12-02-05, 11:42 AM
Unless you are running some serious apps that are intel biased, err i mean optimized, then you would be nuts to buy one.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051121/index.html

Salamandar
12-02-05, 12:09 PM
Go AMD, I upgraded from P4 2.4GHz system to an AMD 64 3000+ system.

A small note: Never going Intel again, I've seen the light (xmasgrin)

chowells
12-02-05, 12:29 PM
AMD have pretty much the gamer's market sewn up, it's rare to see a sig mentioning an Intel proc.

I think the Pentium D has some power saving, though it's excellent how the Athlon 64 can clock down to 1GHz with Cool N Quiet. Nice drop in heat which helps to save electricty.

zoomy942
12-02-05, 12:32 PM
amd will always have my vote. for better performace, amd has it in the bag. and a lower price as well.

hell, i paid $180 for my opty that is at 2.9 and it'll kick the crap out of anything intel has to offer.

j0j081
12-02-05, 01:33 PM
it's rare to see a sig mentioning an Intel proc.

yeah the only ones who have Intel are hiding the fact. (cheers)

evilghost
12-02-05, 02:17 PM
I ran AMD for a while, then this happend:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5393904704265757054

(Video is 100% safe for work)

XP_GUN
12-02-05, 02:39 PM
^ holly **** lol :eek: :rofl

AthlonXP1800
12-02-05, 02:41 PM
:rofl :lol2:

Wow a CPU vapore in the nake of my eye, it overclocked by 3.8GHz at 4.210v on stock heatsink with no fan running, it amazed worked but when took off the heatsink, I expected it to burst in fire but I dont expected the CPU to vapore exploded into pieces and a hole in motherboard socket and the table. :lol:

Knot3D
12-02-05, 03:15 PM
I will order an X2 4800 system soon, to 'abandon' my P4 sig pc. (santa2)

Really it's probably the best solution for both 3D rendering and gaming.

Tygerwoody
12-02-05, 03:19 PM
I'm voting Intel.... thats right I'm a fanboi to an incompetent company... so what

Ninjaman09
12-02-05, 03:31 PM
If you are buying a computer to play games, it really makes no sense to buy Intel due to the rather huge discrepancy in price/performance.

darkrider01
12-02-05, 04:13 PM
I, too, Vote Intel. My experience with Intel Processors on Intel or Nvidia boards has been flawless. I took everyone's advice and had a friend buy an AMD SLi setup, and it took us 3 days to get it to work. Turns out, we had the memory running in Dual-Channel, an apparent "no no" with his Athlon 64 3200+ on a Gigabyte SLi Mobo. The machine would BSOD everytime a 3D app ran. When we finally found out that he needed to run it in single channel, it ran fine. After that experience, and another bad experience in the earlier AMD days (K6-2 400), I've pretty much decided that I'm gonna stick with the ol' ball-and-chain-slow-arse Intel. When I put an Intel machine together, everything works.

Disclaimer: I'm an Intel fanboi. However, when someone comes to me asking to build a machine on a tight budget, I usually recommend AMD. Sometimes, I convince them to spend a little more and buy Intel so I can exclude hardware from future problems. All above info is my opinion and is based on my experiences.(xmasgrin)

Capt. Picard
12-02-05, 04:34 PM
I, too, Vote Intel. My experience with Intel Processors on Intel or Nvidia boards has been flawless. I took everyone's advice and had a friend buy an AMD SLi setup, and it took us 3 days to get it to work. Turns out, we had the memory running in Dual-Channel, an apparent "no no" with his Athlon 64 3200+ on a Gigabyte SLi Mobo. The machine would BSOD everytime a 3D app ran. When we finally found out that he needed to run it in single channel, it ran fine. After that experience, and another bad experience in the earlier AMD days (K6-2 400), I've pretty much decided that I'm gonna stick with the ol' ball-and-chain-slow-arse Intel. When I put an Intel machine together, everything works.

Disclaimer: I'm an Intel fanboi. However, when someone comes to me asking to build a machine on a tight budget, I usually recommend AMD. Sometimes, I convince them to spend a little more and buy Intel so I can exclude hardware from future problems. All above info is my opinion and is based on my experiences.(xmasgrin)

I've just about decided to go AMD then you went and threw over the apple cart. What now? Would anyone like to respond to this please?

evilghost
12-02-05, 04:47 PM
My experiences have been the same as darkrider01, in the past I was a die-hard AMD fan but too many idiosyncratic hardware issues have pushed me to Intel. Benchmarks are worthless and easily skewed, as far as perception Intel systems feel faster and I believe perception is the key not an integer number representing the speed of a system.

a12ctic
12-02-05, 04:48 PM
im a amd fanboy been using amds sense my old amd tb 300mhz, then a amd tb 1ghz then a p4 1.8ghz (biggest mistake EVER it was slow and didnt oc at all), and now my 1.8ghz 3000+ amd 64

zoomy942
12-02-05, 04:50 PM
i will say that, excluding performance numbers, AMD is easier on the wallet. look at my sig:) $180 and 2.9 ghz, good times

a12ctic
12-02-05, 04:55 PM
i find amd chips to be much beter ocers and they seem to perform beter in most apps (Especialy games)

$n][pErMan
12-02-05, 11:40 PM
I ran AMD for a while, then this happend:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5393904704265757054

(Video is 100% safe for work)
hahaha .. thats badass (xmasgrin) BTW .. go AMD .. AMD is like 100x better! ;)

Capt. Picard
12-03-05, 03:59 AM
OK. Final question. Which one is better the Intel P4 3GHz 2mb cache or the AMD 64 3200. The price of this AMD is about the same as the P4 which is about my budget range. This is South Africa. PC components is a comparatively a bit more expensive here than in America.

Any input would be appreciated.

Oh, yes. Another thing. How are the fans that come standard with the CPUs