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Capt. Picard
12-04-05, 01:44 AM
I am planning to buy the AMD 64 3200+ but is unsure what the names Venice and Winchester refer to?

Superfly
12-04-05, 03:00 AM
its the core revision.

superklye
12-04-05, 03:15 AM
Venice has a fixed memory controller so you can use 4 DIMMs of RAM at PC3200 DDR speeds. The Winchester downclocks them to DDR333.

It has SS3 instructrions support (Winchester does not).

It's 90nm whereas Winchester is 130nm--so the Venice is cooler and allows for higher OCing.

PSYCHODAD
12-04-05, 04:07 AM
Venice has a fixed memory controller so you can use 4 DIMMs of RAM at PC3200 DDR speeds. The Winchester downclocks them to DDR333.

It has SS3 instructrions support (Winchester does not).

It's 90nm whereas Winchester is 130nm--so the Venice is cooler and allows for higher OCing.
Umm, I think my winnie is 90nm also. Gonna upgrade to an X-2 soon.

Am_I_Evil
12-04-05, 04:40 AM
Winchester is 130nm

nope...

also 90nm

seeker
12-05-05, 07:19 AM
I'm also considering a purchase on an AMD processor to replace a damaged one that I now have. At CompUSA there is about a $30 difference in their regular prices on the Venice vx Winchester, plus they have another $25 rebate. This must mean that the Winchester has some kind of significant difference, but I have yet to find anything that spells this out. Any ideas?

Superfly
12-05-05, 07:25 AM
the memory controller is the BIG difference - on the winnie its a POS and not worth anyones time or money - on the Venice it actualy works - although its still far from the way it should be.

AMD = Great CPU's + rubbish memory controller - Intel = Rubbish CPU's great chipsets.

If only AMD would realize that 4DIMMS should also be run @ 1T as well as 2DIMMS.

oh well - here's hoping AMD get it right for socket M (although I would still stick to 2DIMMS just to be safe!!!!!!)

saturnotaku
12-05-05, 07:35 AM
If only AMD would realize that 4DIMMS should also be run @ 1T as well as 2DIMMS.

There is no real-world performance difference between 1T and 2T. The only place it matters is in synthetic benchmarks. Having 2 GB of memory, even running at 2T, is better than 1 GB at 1T.

Superfly
12-05-05, 07:40 AM
I disagree on the performance @ 1T vs 2T, even if the difference was'nt noticable 4dimms @ 1T SHOULD be supported.

its 2006 nearly ffs.

seeker
12-05-05, 07:41 AM
Until reading this thread, I thought that the ram problem was simply a motherboard issue, because the one that I now have has a VIA chipset and it kicks the speed down from 400 to 333 if the 4th slot is used, but the nForce chipsets do not have this problem...I think. If the chipsets control the speed, then what weight should I give to the processor's design? The odd thing is that the Venice is cheaper than the Winchester, and I would have thought that it would be the other way around.

Superfly
12-05-05, 07:50 AM
some people have perported being able to run 1T with 4modules installed even on the winchester chips, personally I would take that very lightly.

seeker
12-05-05, 08:25 AM
Okay, I now know the upside to the Venice processor, but what is the downside?

ViN86
12-05-05, 10:18 AM
Okay, I now know the upside to the Venice processor, but what is the downside?
ummm its not an FX-57? idk, for the 3200, the venice is the best. if you want to upgrade further, look for a san diego core. those are what the FX chips are based on so you should get some nice OC's.

also, i believe venice uses SOI technology (the winnie might too), which makes the silicon more flexible and gives more OC headroom.

EDIT: winnie does too, just saw the screenshot above

superklye
12-05-05, 11:42 AM
nope...

also 90nm
Crap, I always confuse the Winnie and Newcastle. There are too many damned revisions.

ViN86
12-05-05, 02:42 PM
Crap, I always confuse the Winnie and Newcastle. There are too many damned revisions.
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