Doh...maybe even more of a delay.

[Gar]

I know this gets old but there was some info over at Warp2Search (http://www.warp2search.net/article.php?sid=9645&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0) about another even longer delay, pushing the release back to March or April. I really doubt this, although it maybe that the Ultra version (500mhz core/500 memory) might be the one that is causing most of the problems since they are going to have to speed bin these. Lets hope its out in a month :).

[ZoinKs!]

From that story it looks like the delay info is from Germany. Maybe it only means that the German release will be further delayed.

[Uttar]

But then it's probably more general, and related to the whole of Europe. Possibly beside UK and France, if lucky.
But I'm in Belgium... Damn...
What do you have to get a GFFX before March? Corrupt nVidia executives? Impress Jen Hsun Huang? Give them the most amazing technology idea ever for free? Steal a sample in their labs?

Damn, I want this card...


Uttar

[jbirney]

Originally posted by Uttar
Damn, I want this card...


Should have gotten an R9700Pro for $330 back in Sept like the rest of us did :) jk :P

[Megatron]

Originally posted by Uttar
Damn, I want this card...Uttar

I have to ask....why?

Why do you want this card so bad...

there have been no real benchmarks...

no new features talked about that would make someone say wow...

just a few board pics and a paper launch.

What have you seen that makes you want this card so badly...

The noisy dustbuster cooler?
The Nimitz class board design?
Its nice to have faith...but blind faith in a product , that noone knows anything about, that is delayed even longer, is just silly.


Buy yourself an R350...more than likely itll be out first:D

[Uttar]

Originally posted by jbirney
Should have gotten an R9700Pro for $330 back in Sept like the rest of us did :) jk :P

Hehe, good one :)
However, I'm still *really* looking foward to FP16.
As for the huge shaders... I look foward to drool on my lame test programs showing 60FPS with huuuge Pixel Shaders :)
So, if I didn't like programming, I guess I wouldn't like this as much...


Uttar

[Raptorman]

GeForce FX Ultra - $500 >
:eek:
Radeon 9700 PRO - $330 <
:D

Which would you buy?
:confused:

[Philibob]

Tom's Hardware says first week of February: http://www4.tomshardware.com/business/20030110/ces2003_day1-08.html
From CES 2003

[-=DVS=-]

LOL delayd even longer quote from main page "Also retail cards based on GeForce FX may be as late as March-April."


Gee if this is true Nvidia is realy screwd IMHO :rolleyes:, have you guys any idea how much time they give ATI to release new cards :eek:

[Gar]

I've heard from others that availablility will be around Feb, however, they did not specify wich ones. As everyone here knows that there will be 2 versions released, the 400/900 and the 500/500. Obviously they will have less of a problem receiving higher yields of the 400/900 lower speed chips, but seems like ,in regards to the maturity of .13 TSMC manufacturing, the 500's might be hard to come by, hence the high price.

[-=DVS=-]

Originally posted by Gar
I've heard from others that availablility will be around Feb, however, they did not specify wich ones. As everyone here knows that there will be 2 versions released, the 400/900 and the 500/500. Obviously they will have less of a problem receiving higher yields of the 400/900 lower speed chips, but seems like ,in regards to the maturity of .13 TSMC manufacturing, the 500's might be hard to come by, hence the high price.

If they haveing hard time makeing 500's :rolleyes:

And only 400 is good on .13 TSMC , then what the point going from .15 to .13 if all Nvidia can manage is 75Mhz increase from 325mhz as in Radeon.. , oohh and i am repeating my self all these problem plus 100 delays :o

[Uttar]

Originally posted by -=DVS=-
If they haveing hard time makeing 500's :rolleyes:

And only 400 is good on .13 TSMC , then what the point going from .15 to .13 if all Nvidia can manage is 75Mhz increase from 325mhz as in Radeon.. , oohh and i am repeating my self all these problem plus 100 delays :o

Remember nVidia hoped to use Low K 0.13
The reason those clocks aren't higher is that they had to switch to copper beause TSMC wasn't ready.
500Mhz is only hard to get because the process is still new. It should be easy to get in just a few months.

The NV35 probably will use Low K, however. I'm not sure of that, however. It's just a guess, seeing how TSMC will probably be ready and nVidia really wanted Low K for a while. So maybe TSMC will have even more trouble and nVidia will have to delay Low K until the NV40 with 0.09


Uttar

[Gar]

Well aparently they might only have the March/April timeframe for Germany or Europe. Looks like North America will receive most of the shipments in Feb. However, if you notice the price tag for this card (pre-orders) is out of this world. 700 bones! Ykes. I dont' see why anyone would spend this much for a video card. Of course, we probably wont' see it that much for to long; it will probably drop to around 500.00USD. Thats still a little steep for my likes.

Link (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=1042110820)

Our readers sent us this link on an online store that offers to pre-order a GeForce FX-based graphics card from Club3D. The newcomer costs like no other consumer graphics card before: 699 Euro, or about $700. The graphics card is equipped with D-Sub, DVI-I and TV-Out connectors. It features 256MB DDR-II SDRAM and the GeForce FX 5800 Ultra GPU running probably at 1000/500MHz respectively. The store claims that the product will be available on the 22nd of January 2003, in less than two weeks, it means.

Well, I wonder, how many these graphics card will actually be available by the end of this month. There are not a lot of you to buy a $700 graphics card, are there? Hence, so high price should be the price for owning a practically exclusive piece of hardware, but definitely not for extraordinary features of this babe. In case something is exclusive, there should be very few of such devices.

[-=DVS=-]

:wtf: Heh Nv30 isn't that much faster then R300 , and it will cost 700$ ??? :eek:



Nvidia :lame:

[-=DVS=-]

Heh it must be false rumor , i just remembered Nvidia saying we will make NV30 on 128bit bus to reduce cost (700$) is reduced cost ? eh.. :D so with 256bit buss what ? it would cost 1400$ :jumping:

[Gar]

Well, I highly doubt that it will cost anything near $700.00USD. That price hasn't been confirmed by Nvidia whatsoever. If you guys remember back with the R300 release. Before it was widely available the price was estimated at $399.99USD retail. Many vendors were having pre-orders for around $415.00USD. By the time it was available at local vendors the price was around $350.00, so it dropped around %20. Take this into account and the GFFX (if infact it is stated by Nvidia to be $699.99) will cost probably $560.00, which is still quite a lot of money for a video card. I sure hope they sell a ton of these before the R350 is released, otherwise (if the R350 is faster) they are going to loose a lot of money.

[lagadu]

Originally posted by -=DVS=-
Heh it must be false rumor , i just remembered Nvidia saying we will make NV30 on 128bit bus to reduce cost (700$) is reduced cost ? eh.. :D so with 256bit buss what ? it would cost 1400$ :jumping:

i still remember nvidia pimpin' that it was the most expensive R&D ever for a vid card, they want their money back :p

[Uttar]

Anyone who seriously thinks the GFFX will be $700 in the USA is a moron.
700 Euros in Europe could easily translate to something like $500 in the USA ( Evyl VAT! Evyl importation costs! Evyl EU! :mad: )
Damn, I envy you darn Americans and your competitive prices... :(

Uttar

[nutball]

Originally posted by Uttar
Anyone who seriously thinks the GFFX will be $700 in the USA is a moron.
700 Euros in Europe could easily translate to something like $500 in the USA ( Evyl VAT! Evyl importation costs! Evyl EU! :mad: )
Damn, I envy you darn Americans and your competitive prices... :(

Uttar

Yearh, but never mind Uttar, at least we've got drinkable beer!

:alc: :beer: :beer2:

[lagadu]

Originally posted by Uttar
Anyone who seriously thinks the GFFX will be $700 in the USA is a moron.
700 Euros in Europe could easily translate to something like $500 in the USA ( Evyl VAT! Evyl importation costs! Evyl EU! :mad: )
Damn, I envy you darn Americans and your competitive prices... :(

Uttar
true true :(

[Megatron]

Originally posted by Uttar
The NV35 probably will use Low K

As will whatever card ATI has out for the same generation...

[Uttar]

Originally posted by Megatron
As will whatever card ATI has out for the same generation...

That's 80% sure IMO.
AFAIK, ATI wants to put the R400 in stores around late August ( paper launch in late July ) , just like the R300 ( they always did this )
And nVidia seems to want to paper launch in mid August ( as they wanted to do with the NV30 ) and put it in stores around late September or early October ( just as the GF2 Ultra, IIRC )

So, if Low K isn't quite ready about August ( and ATI generally doesn't take too much chances ) , the R400 could still be on copper. As for the NV35, being released about 45 days after the R400 might give nVidia the possibility to take Low K.
It would surprise me if Low K wasn't ready by August. But who knows...

Their cycles seem to become *very* predictible. nVidia's decision to go to a 24 month core cycle ( and keep the 6 month cycle ) should reduce the opportunities for delays. And ATI remains on a 12 month cycle, without being aggressive for the process, so few opportunities for delays here too.
But then again, only time will tell if there will be delays in the future.


Uttar

[Kruno]

Originally posted by Uttar
Hehe, good one :)
However, I'm still *really* looking foward to FP16.
As for the huge shaders... I look foward to drool on my lame test programs showing 60FPS with huuuge Pixel Shaders :)
So, if I didn't like programming, I guess I wouldn't like this as much...


Uttar

Yes, just in a demo.
Huge PS calcs in games will take a very long time and when games do take advantage, the Nv30 it will be a crappy obsolete card. :)

[Fotis]

Uttar, why do you think or who told you nv35 is beeing launched in august?:confused:

IMO nv35 will be a spring 2004 part just like nv20-nv25.I suppose you are talking about an ultra version of the GFFX ultra version.I don't expect nothing more than a core(low k) & memory(GDRR3?) speed increase.
256bit bus for the super ultra version ?No way IMO.
If nvidia launches nv35(remember nv35 is not just an ultra version its like nv20-nv25) it will be a big change in their roadmap and too difficult to do is such a limited timeframe.
About the competition(r400) nothing is known.The only thing we know is that its a dif architecture and that its beeing launched june-july.
[Spequlation mode]
R400 will be superior techwise than a super ultra GFFX or nv35 because it a dif architecture.How dif?Who knows?

About speed.If nvidias fall part is just an ultra(faster core+memory)there is no chance they could match r400 256bit bus+ gddr3.If nvidia launches nv35 with a 256bit bus+gddr3 the battle will be up to how much dif of an architecture r400 is(deffered rendering)
[/Spequlation mode]

The thing we don't know is what is nvidias next move.

[Uttar]

Originally posted by Fotis
Uttar, why do you think or who told you nv35 is beeing launched in august?:confused:

IMO nv35 will be a spring 2004 part just like nv20-nv25.I suppose you are talking about an ultra version of the GFFX ultra version.I don't expect nothing more than a core(low k) & memory(GDRR3?) speed increase.
...
The thing we don't know is what is nvidias next move.

NV35 is August 2003 because NV30 is August 2002, want it or not. So, what does that mean? That a team has worked in parallel on the NV35 for quite some time now.
Also, old nVidia roadmaps shown the NV35 in late H1 2003 and NV30 as early H2 2002; so it makes sense to make it early H2 2003 because of the delays.

The big change now is that nVidia moved to a 24 month system for processes. That means the NV40 should come around August 2004, against the R500.
That is, if ATI doesn't change tactics and there are no delays for both.

As for the NV35 specs, I prefer to shut up. I've got quite a few ideas, but there is too little information around for me to be sufficently certain about it. Past things I said about the NV35 were speculation, and I'm getting less and less certain about it.


Uttar