AC130 gunship video

[sonaboy]

This video is simultaneously very cool, and frightening at once.
My friend took a look at it and basically thought, "wow...just like Command & Conquer."
When an AC 130 infrared targets INDIVIDUAL people from 8000 feet in the air and is that accurate..i get kinda queasy watching it.
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=AC_130Gunship.htm

I kinda felt bad at one point where they rebombed a guy who had obviously been severely injured and was basically dragging himself to cover...only to get another 2 warheads in the face.
anyone else have any links to bomber footage like this?

[styles-T]

wow..

Did you see how this guy was running from bomb after bomb..

Pretty neat stuff but also sad like you said..

I guess they didnt want to waste any bullets on these guys:eek:

[marqmajere]

No and I hope I never get any.:( Not too keen on killing people, but I realize it's a neccesary evil....

[Bigus Dickus]

wow, from about 6:30 to 7:30 there's some that hit close enough that you see bodies flying dozens of yards after the impact.

:eek:

[intercede007]

8,000 feet is the minimum distance these Spectre crews like to operate at. The C-130 is a loud aircraft, and that sort of defeats the purpose of a suprise attack. Generally they like to operate at or around 12,000 feet.

I remember reports of guys being bored in Panama and picking off cows at 10,000 feet. There is a range about 12 miles from my house where these guys are taking pot shots at stationary targets from as high as 20,000 feet.

That aircraft can hit anything.

[sonaboy]

Originally posted by intercede007
8,000 feet is the minimum distance these Spectre crews like to operate at. The C-130 is a loud aircraft, and that sort of defeats the purpose of a suprise attack. Generally they like to operate at or around 12,000 feet.

I remember reports of guys being bored in Panama and picking off cows at 10,000 feet. There is a range about 12 miles from my house where these guys are taking pot shots at stationary targets from as high as 20,000 feet.

That aircraft can hit anything.

True enough...but if it only takes 4 minutes to take out an entire settlement...you can pretty much be as damn loud as you wanna..
It's over before you hear the sky fall. I mean..you could tell from the fuzzy topography that there was basically no where to run to.
amazingly enough...no one on the ground figured out that the Mosque was actually the safe zone only 30 feet away. The bombers were told strictly to leave the Mosque standing.

[sbp]

Its not a pleasant thing seeing people killed but what has to be done, has to be done.

Yeah the Mosque could have been hid out in it. Eventually he and any other who took cover there would have to come out though.

[sonaboy]

Originally posted by sbp
Its not a pleasant thing seeing people killed but what has to be done, has to be done.

Yeah the Mosque could have been hid out in it. Eventually he and any other who took cover there would have to come out though.

I would have stayed in the Mosque and called for takeout.:surrender

[ALobpreis]

What that guys do is horrible. That's not war, that's murdering. They are assasins.
Ok, destroy all the tucks, installations..... but don't kill an unprotected man running!! That's really lame...

I remember the intro of an old DOS warcraft simulator, like F-19, but that's not it, I dont' remember which one. It starts with a dogfight "video", and then the "bad guy" is hit, ejects and lands on the top of a mountain. The two "good guys" (from USA, of course) see him, but don't fire. One says "let's go, we are not assasins" of something like that.

It seemed like the people of the video thought they were playing a computer game, and did NOT realiza they were exterminating lifes, killings husbands, fathers, brothers, sons...
We all lose with war, and that makes us all lose even more. :(

[sonaboy]

Originally posted by ALobpreis
What that guys do is horrible. That's not war, that's murdering. They are assasins.
Ok, destroy all the trucks, installations..... but don't kill an unprotected man running!! That's really lame...

It seemed like the people of the video thought they were playing a computer game, and did NOT realiza they were exterminating lifes, killings husbands, fathers, brothers, sons...
We all lose with war, and that makes us all lose even more. :(

I'd say that's true. Those guys have no idea if the people on the ground running are actual Taliban officers, or women, family members, children, whatnot. they're just blips on the infrared radar that are moving away from the explosions.
But then again, i have no idea how complete and up-to-date the intelligence is that directs our troops actions either.:wtf:

[pelly]

Although I certainly can't get excited about films like this...I have no problem with what the soldiers are doing...

I assume it's a given that our intellgience has tracked terrorists to this specific location. As such, I think it's a safe bet to assume that anyone there is either a terrorist themselves or is supporting the terrorists.

These "poor civilians" are responsible for horrific acts themselves which put countless lives at risk. To be honest, I am not even phased when these heartless people are killed. In the back of my mind, I know that with their death...many other lives have potentially been spared.

Though I think the "highlight film" is a bit in bad taste...I can't complain about how they were killed ( leading.....one or two additional shots to be sure...etc... ) To be honest, I wouldn't care if they eliminated them with lethal injections....or if they stabbed each one of them to death with a spork. These people are scum...they don't deserve to die with pride...

Er....wow, that was a rant....sorry guys...

:D

[sbp]

Originally posted by ALobpreis
everything said War is an ugly thing where horrible things happen young man. Kill or be killed is the rule of the day. These dead guys knew what they were getting into. And their leaders were given a chance to surrender before it all began but refused.
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Some things in life are worth fighting, killing and dying for.

[ALobpreis]

Originally posted by pelly
I think it's a safe bet to assume that anyone there is either a terrorist themselves or is supporting the terrorists.

Maybe, maybe not. Kill them "just in case"?

Originally posted by pelly
To be honest, I am not even phased when these heartless people are killed.

Are they more heartless than those who were in the aircraft?

[pelly]

Are they more heartless than those who were in the aircraft?

You're damn right they are more heartless...These scumbags attack everyone...women....children....etc......All despite the fact that these people have never done ANYTHING wrong. Look at the victims in the World Trade Center....What did they ever do wrong to cause these sub-humans to murder them?

In contrast, these "victims" as you would have us believe are responsible for murder...I find nothing heartless with the killing of these criminals. It's not as if these soldiers are firing at these people for no reason. Intelligence has tracked these terrorists deep into the caves on the outskirts of the area...they know who these people are and are ending their threat to the public.

I find it sickening to think that anyone would stand-up for these people...They are absolute scum ( the terrorists, NOT the nation ) and I would kill them myself if I was asked to.

[Darth Rancid]

War is ugly indeed...
I'd say there is a good chance those guys were indeed terrorists, but the US intelligence is nowhere near all-knowing, they can be wrong.

Lots of Afghan civilians died in the war that the US started. Civilians die in all wars.
Civilians will die if the US attack Iraq.

That is just something you have to think about when decide whether to start a war or not... or support a war or not in our cases.. since I guess none of us here at nVnews has the authority to start wars...

[UDawg]

Originally posted by ALobpreis
What that guys do is horrible. That's not war, that's murdering. They are assasins.
Ok, destroy all the tucks, installations..... but don't kill an unprotected man running!! That's really lame...

I remember the intro of an old DOS warcraft simulator, like F-19, but that's not it, I dont' remember which one. It starts with a dogfight "video", and then the "bad guy" is hit, ejects and lands on the top of a mountain. The two "good guys" (from USA, of course) see him, but don't fire. One says "let's go, we are not assasins" of something like that.

It seemed like the people of the video thought they were playing a computer game, and did NOT realiza they were exterminating lifes, killings husbands, fathers, brothers, sons...
We all lose with war, and that makes us all lose even more. :(


What the hell kind of crap is this! At least they didn't fly the plane into a hut killing thousands of goats!

You don't know the situation. You don't know the intelligence they had. All you know is this video that had been released.

If they didn't want our advanced military picking them off one by one from 15k feet above them then they should have left their rat infested country and murder 3,000! COUNT THEM!!! 3,000! INOCENT PEOPLE!!! ( and don't argue about the exat number, this does not include the 10s of thousands of people affected by 9/11)

This makes me so pissed. It is a $%^&*# war!

The U.S. does not have to justify a damn thing to the rest of the world. :mad:

The U.S. did not start this war. The fanatic muslims did when they slaughter my fellow countrymen.

Amen, Pelly! I nearly threw my monitor across the room when i saw the quoted post above. This is not just another opinion to an event long past. This is serious stuff we are in. Do not make childish comments to an event that very closesly affected us. I knew people who died in tower 1.

I would rather die in the rubble of ground zero than ever let it happen again!

[sonaboy]

Originally posted by UDawg71
What the hell kind of crap is this! At least they didn't fly the plane into a hut killing thousands of goats!

The U.S. did not start this war. The fanatic muslims did when they slaughter my fellow countrymen.

Amen, Pelly! I nearly threw my monitor across the room when i saw the quoted post above. This is not just another opinion to an event long past. This is serious stuff we are in. Do not make childish comments to an event that very closesly affected us.


I knew people who died in tower 1.


As did I...but let's think clearly here. The USA put the Taliban in power to battle the Russians in the late 70's through early 80's. Why? Because we needed a secure transport line for discounted oil to friendly territory through most of the 80's and 90's, circumventing the OPEC price fixes. This was up to, and including the hostile takeover of Kuwait by Iraq in the late 90's.
Stemming from that, the attacks on the WTC were basically fallout from the war on Iraq in the 90's, because we remained as an occupying force in Muslim Holy Land in Saudi Arabia.
Despite repeated requests and threats from Mulsim hardliners, we ignored them and WTC was the end result. I'm not saying it's right, but it was because the US wanted cheaper oil without paying through the very system that they set up in the Middle East to guarantee oil on the free market in the first place.

This is nothing compared to the wasteland that the USA has left in the Middle East after intense bombing campaigns and harsh embargoes on delivered manufactured goods for the people we were supposedly trying to "rescue" from the tyranny of Saddam.
If you want to talk pure body counts from wartime measures, even the massive instantaneous life lost in the WTC attacks pales in comparison to the enduring US campaign of starvation, economic and diplomatic policy of zero tolerance that the Afghani and Iraqi people ever endured from the US's military.
I'm not saying the retaliation against the Taliban isn't forgone, but it's more like swatting a fly with a Cadillac.
And let's not forget that the US Intelligence has considerable gaps when something as coordinated as the WTC attacks, using multiple jets from domestic airlines as weapons comes into play.
So NO, there is no definable certainty that those people in that area were Taliban officers and not women, children and others uninvolved in their politics.
That's the whole problem when waging a war from the air, instead of face to face on the ground. That's why there were almost more friendly fire casualties in the Gulf and Croatian wars than from the other side. Intelligence gaps.
Just because I'm questioning tactics of a mercenary US armed force doesn't mean I don't want a secure and peaceful homeland.
There is a difference.

[UDawg]

Originally posted by sonaboy
As did I...but let's think clearly here. The USA put the Taliban in power to battle the Russians in the late 70's through early 80's. Why? Because we needed a secure transport line for discounted oil to friendly territory through most of the 80's and 90's, circumventing the OPEC price fixes. This was up to, and including the hostile takeover of Kuwait by Iraq in the late 90's.
Stemming from that, the attacks on the WTC were basically fallout from the war on Iraq in the 90's, because we remained as an occupying force in Muslim Holy Land in Saudi Arabia.
Despite repeated requests and threats from Mulsim hardliners, we ignored them and WTC was the end result. I'm not saying it's right, but it was because the US wanted cheaper oil without paying through the very system that they set up in the Middle East to guarantee oil on the free market in the first place.

This is nothing compared to the wasteland that the USA has left in the Middle East after intense bombing campaigns and harsh embargoes on delivered manufactured goods for the people we were supposedly trying to "rescue" from the tyranny of Saddam.
If you want to talk pure body counts from wartime measures, even the massive instantaneous life lost in the WTC attacks pales in comparison to the enduring US campaign of starvation, economic and diplomatic policy of zero tolerance that the Afghani and Iraqi people ever endured from the US's military.
I'm not saying the retaliation against the Taliban isn't forgone, but it's more like swatting a fly with a Cadillac.
And let's not forget that the US Intelligence has considerable gaps when something as coordinated as the WTC attacks, using multiple jets from domestic airlines as weapons comes into play.
So NO, there is no definable certainty that those people in that area were Taliban officers and not women, children and others uninvolved in their politics.
That's the whole problem when waging a war from the air, instead of face to face on the ground. That's why there were almost more friendly fire casualties in the Gulf and Croatian wars than from the other side. Intelligence gaps.
Just because I'm questioning tactics of a mercenary US armed force doesn't mean I don't want a secure and peaceful homeland.
There is a difference.


More crap from people who think America had it coming.

First off we did not put the Taliban in place. If you can remeber we were in a cold war with the USSR. We had a policy of containment. Unless favor world communism (N. Korea & China come to mind) then your enemies enemy becomes your friend. We did train and help to a certain amount in Afghanistan but we are not resonsible for what they did to their own country.

What is happening in Iraq fall on Saddam's shoulders. He is in violation of the cease fire that he signed. So if people are starving then it is his fault and problem. All he had to do is comply and his country would have food the we provide and medical supplies that we supply. Notice who gives it to him. We did not create this Saddam did and no we did not put him into power. At the time of the Iran, Iraq war he was more willing to work with us to end the war then Iran was. Remember the hostage situation?

This is more leftist apeasment America hating crap we have to put up with. I do think you are unamerican ( if you are American) If not then who cares what you think.

I am going to stop posting about this because it is going to start a flame war. Wich I admit I started because of unconfronted and constant American bashing. So take your shots back at me I wont respond.

Done.

[Phyre]

When I watched that video, I could distinctly hear the trepidation in the voice of the guy receiving the orders. Listen to him again. You can tell he probably doesn't like what he's doing, but it's got to be done.

Phyre

[The Baron]

And let's not forget that the US Intelligence has considerable gaps when something as coordinated as the WTC attacks, using multiple jets from domestic airlines as weapons comes into play.

Why does anyone think this is hard?

Here's the conversation where I found out what was happening on Sept. 11.

Guy runs up to me in the hall at school. Asked me if I knew what the hell was going on.

"What the hell are you talking about?"
"Dude, the Pentagon was bombed or something."
"Uh, doubt it. You can't use a car bomb on the Pentagon like Oklahoma City because it's too big and the parking lot is undoubtedly too far away. The only way to attack the Pentagon would be to slam a 747 into it."

True story.

If you didn't think of it as obvious to use 747s as a weapon before, you're an idiot.

But I don't think US intel has done a ****ty job. Look at Mossad (I think?) in Israel and trying to stop suicide bombings... Nuh-Uh. If you can take over an airplane with 5 guys and box cutters, it doesn't need to be coordinated, no matter how many planes you took over. All the coordination you'd need is a single email...

--edit--

Just because I'm questioning tactics of a mercenary US armed force doesn't mean I don't want a secure and peaceful homeland.

Charles Lindbergh said the same thing in 1940. Didn't want Lend-Lease, didn't want US to enter the war, wanted to build up military and become Fortress America.

Now, what would have happened if the US HADN'T entered WW2?

But yeah, Iraq is stupid. It's a purely political war. North Korea is the real threat now...

--/edit--

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by ALobpreis
What that guys do is horrible. That's not war, that's murdering. They are assasins.
Ok, destroy all the tucks, installations..... but don't kill an unprotected man running!! That's really lame...

I remember the intro of an old DOS warcraft simulator, like F-19, but that's not it, I dont' remember which one. It starts with a dogfight "video", and then the "bad guy" is hit, ejects and lands on the top of a mountain. The two "good guys" (from USA, of course) see him, but don't fire. One says "let's go, we are not assasins" of something like that.

It seemed like the people of the video thought they were playing a computer game, and did NOT realiza they were exterminating lifes, killings husbands, fathers, brothers, sons...
We all lose with war, and that makes us all lose even more. :(

oh get off it. If any of those guys had the chance, they wouldn't think twice about killing any of our soldiers or any us that don't beleive in their god, and heck, we still put up with a bunch of their crap, notice how we didn't turn their beloved mosque into a parking lot :rolleyes:

[sonaboy]

Originally posted by UDawg71
More crap from people who think America had it coming.

First off...i don't think America "had it coming" since Saudi Arabia's government allowed us to occupy the country during and after the Gulf War.
But I do think that we sometimes take advantage of friendly foreign policy to the point of unwelcome in our non-stop campaign to secure cheap oil at the cost of others. WTC was a reminder that oil-based political and cultural heavy handedness can backfire. WTC was a reminder that economic and cultural policy will most often clash when put to the test.
We positioned religious extremists to power in Afghanistan and didn't take their ecomnomic well-being seriously to the point of fatal results. Consider an alternate scenario where the US had to rely on foreign powers to eradicate enemies, and then had to comply with what we considered ridiculous cultural guidelines to appease our allies for almost 10 years after the conflict was through. Even in this open society, there would be dissidents clamoring for restitution on the basis of cultural and religious freedom. WTC was an exclamation mark printed at the end of that demand.



First off we did not put the Taliban in place. If you can remeber we were in a cold war with the USSR. We had a policy of containment. Unless favor world communism (N. Korea & China come to mind) then your enemies enemy becomes your friend. We did train and help to a certain amount in Afghanistan but we are not resonsible for what they did to their own country.

This is more leftist apeasment America hating crap we have to put up with. I do think you are unamerican ( if you are American) If not then who cares what you think.[/B]


I'm NOT UNAMERICAN. I have several friends in the military and lost friends in the towers. This is what angers me most about what happened. The fact that someone who might posit that some of the blame may have been from the US side as they steamroll the Middle East into complacency in the name of cheap oil is somehow ANTI-AMERICAN. When in fact, this puts the issue in plain light - America's cultural preference of low mileage, high performance gas engines over the recognition of the very cultures who provide it through their main export - is laughable in many informed European societies. The USA is almost infamous in its compliance and favor with cultures that hold the US's business interests in higher esteem than their own cultural and economic basis.

I'm not trying to flame, just trying to make a different point of view than we see lauded in the American Press time after time with no logical basis.
Should we never align ourselves with religious extremists in the effort to broaden democracy's place in the world? perhaps...
But that was the central issue that drove the insanity of the Cold War like the Korean conflict and Vietnam to America's doorstep in the first place.
Choose your allies wisely.
I'm in favor of diplomacy and peace before shots are fired.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by sonaboy
First off...i don't think America "had it coming" since Saudi Arabia's government allowed us to occupy the country during and after the Gulf War.

Do you drive a car? unless it runs off of poo or water, then you are supporting this, so you have no say.

I'm NOT UNAMERICAN. I have several friends in the military and lost friends in the towers.

Didn't everyone :rolleyes:

I'm in favor of diplomacy and peace before shots are fired.

You sure you didn't mistake those with appeasement and pacifism?:o

[sonaboy]

Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
Do you drive a car? unless it runs off of poo or water, then you are supporting this, so you have no say.

BULL****...oil driven engines are forced on everyone in this society who has to commute more than 5 miles to their place of work where there's no efficient public transportation available. I live in the mid-west, and there IS NO bus system or subway to get where i need to be (which is different almost every week).
If i had a cost-effective choice, i'd certainly make it.
I don't drive when i don't have to.

[i]You sure you didn't mistake those with appeasement and pacifism?:o[/B]

I'm not quite sure what you mean with that last post, but pacifism shouldn't be confused with weakness.
We've trampled many a culture in our campaign to whitewash the planet. Why do third world countries have to buy into it just because we do business with them? Just to evade suspicion? Live and let live...

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by sonaboy
BULL****...oil driven engines are forced on everyone in this society who has to commute more than 5 miles to their place of work where there's no efficient public transportation available. I live in the mid-west, and there IS NO bus system or subway to get where i need to be (which is different almost every week).
If i had a cost-effective choice, i'd certainly make it.
I don't drive when i don't have to.

sure there are other ways. Get one of those hybrid cars, or get a total non-petrol powered vehicle, the govt gives you tax break for that and compensation. Sometimes you even get a check from the electric company. I don't blame you for looking into these however, they suck ;)

Live and let live...

think about the people you are defending. You think the United States armed forces would go after these creeps if they didn't have a reason to do so? as much as many of you would like to think, we don't like to kill people, its just something we do because no one else will do it, well, other than the Brits.