Finally a XFX 6800 GS 256 mb AGP

[Airbrushkid]

http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa?productConfiguration Id=118067

[Auswak]

EVGA posted Pre-Order last week with Free Quake 4

http://www.evga.com/articles/public.asp?AID=270

(xmasgrin)

[JPack]

XFX is advertising 350/1100, but the shipping product is 350/1000.

[Superfly]

is'nt the PCIe version clocked @ 480 on the core??

seems silly to buy a cut down AGP version.

[Gentle]

XFX has these listed on their website...

"XFX GeForce 6800 GS 256 MB DDR3 Extreme Edition" that is clocked at 450MHz.

"XFX GeForce 6800 GS 256 MB DDR3 XXX edition" that is clocked at 485MHz.

The standard AGP speed is 350MHz, as it is shown to be used by the eVGA product also.

This may be a design limitation. Does the AGP variant still rely on a HSI chip to translate from PCIe to AGP? If so, these produce lots of heat. Heat is one of the limiting factors for overclocking.

Still, it's a nice video card for the money.

Gentle

[Superfly]

the PCIe is a nice card for the money but the AGP version is pants by todays standards IMHO.

[911medic]

Wasn't the whole idea of the GS to make up for it's fewer pipes with higher core clockspeed? Having it clocked down to 350 puts it at a big disadvantage vs. the GT which it's supposed to replace.

[JPack]

This may be a design limitation. Does the AGP variant still rely on a HSI chip to translate from PCIe to AGP? If so, these produce lots of heat. Heat is one of the limiting factors for overclocking.

No, it's using the classic NV40 -- no bridge.

The BIOS being shipped with the XFX 6800 GS AGP is fairly old - 5.40.02.15.10. Aluminum cooler as well.

[jAkUp]

Yea, no bridge chip, so it should save a few bucks.. compared to if it had the bridge chip.

[nV`andrew]

looks pretty neat, but my gfx card is still better :D

[cvearl]

If it is underclocked, SM3.0 and HDR modes in future games are gonna drag on those cards. In which case you would be better off getting an X800GTO or GTO2 IMO. Then you would have a faster card but sans 3.0/HDR but who cares at this juncture if you wont have the muscle to play in those detail settings.

Damn! Why underclocked! That just sucks.

C.

[amenx]

Are the GTO's in AGP? Dont think so.

[Gentle]

Well, have they done the die shrink on the AGP core version of the 6800GS?

If they have, it should overclock reasonably well. Right?

Gentle

[Marovincian]

They did the same thing with the 6600 GT agp vs the 6600 GT pci-e. It's their way of nudging us towards pci-e I think. Lower price and slightly (maybe) better performance for pci-e.

Sucks that they are doing it that way.

[snowmanwithahat]

They did the same thing with the 6600 GT agp vs the 6600 GT pci-e. It's their way of nudging us towards pci-e I think. Lower price and slightly (maybe) better performance for pci-e.

Sucks that they are doing it that way.

not quite.... they meant to with the 6600 but with the 6800 GS, they don't see it worth the money to use a bridge chip, so instead they use leftover NV40 cores..... as i've said before, it's not a GS, it's a slightly modified 6800

[Medion]

Damn! Why underclocked! That just sucks.

The AGP version is using crap NV40 cores (a 16-pipe native core that likely can't run at 16-pipes), while the PCI-E version is NV42 (12-pipe native).

Are the GTO's in AGP? Dont think so.

The GTO2 isnt, but the regular GTO is. It's $193 at Newegg. It would liekly edge out this AGP GS, but it's a tad slower than the PCI-E GS (beating it in some games/benches). Overall, the X800GTO is the best sub-$200 AGP card today.

[Airbrushkid]

No ATI for me ever. Hate them!

[mark501]

So the 6800GS AGP is just a crippled 6800GT? Huge dissapointment although I'm not surprised. The old nv40-core simply cant reach the speeds of the nv42.

Seems Nvidia is releasing a crappy AGP-card just to annoy people and force them to go PCI-e. Reminds me of the stupid downclocked 6600gt AGP. Made no sense whatsoever since both PCI-e and AGP-versions used the exact same memory.

But this time the AGP-version gets a different slower core and theres nothing AGP-users can do about it. Unless they get lucky and unlock 4 additional healthy pixel pipes.

I was thinking of upgrading to 6800GS, but now ATI will probably get my money. They actually have AGP-cards worth spending money on.

[CaptNKILL]

Evga just sent me an email yesterday saying the 6800GS AGP is shipping now... dammit, there goes the resale value of my 6800GT :p

[$n][pErMan]

Evga just sent me an email yesterday saying the 6800GS AGP is shipping now... dammit, there goes the resale value of my 6800GT :p
Ya right ... the 6800GT is a rock solid card. A lot of people would still love to have one who dont have the cash for a full upgrade (xmastong) Not to mention, form the sound of things on this thread... the AGP GT might even still be better than an AGP GS.

[snowmanwithahat]

[pErMan']Ya right ... the 6800GT is a rock solid card. A lot of people would still love to have one who dont have the cash for a full upgrade (xmastong) Not to mention, form the sound of things on this thread... the AGP GT might even still be better than an AGP GS.

yeh i really think it will :lol: the 6800 GS AGP is going to flop

[MikeC]

yeh i really think it will :lol: the 6800 GS AGP is going to flop

You're wrong.

[CaptNKILL]

yeh i really think it will :lol: the 6800 GS AGP is going to flop
Heh, no way. If its significantly faster than the 6600GT AGP, itl sell like crazy because right now there is a HUUUGE hole in the Nvidia graphics card market and it covers everything above "low end". Systems like mine are still in the top range as far as CPU\RAM speed and features, but if I had a mid\low end card (like a 6600GT) , I would have *ZERO* video upgrade options short of buying a second hand 6800 or going ATI (and who the hell wants to do that? :p).

The 6800 series has been completely whiped from the AGP market... you MIGHT be able to find an ultra for like $450, or maybe a 6800 vanilla for around $200 but even that isnt much faster (in fact some times they are slower) than a 6600GT.

That makes my 6800GT OC a valuable comodity for AGP users. I see them still going on Ebay for $300 because they are WORTH IT to people who dont have PCI-Express.

The 6800GS is the answer to AGP users' problems because it will offer performance thats (hopefully) significantly higher than a 6600GT and it will probably cost under $250. If there was a 512Mb 7800GTX available somewhere for a decent price, you can bet your ass Id Ebay my 6800GT right away to get some decent money out of it. It probably wont pull more than like $225 on ebay after the GS is available... because people wont buy used stuff if they can get something similar brand new from a retailer.

Of course it is ebay... Im probably giving them way too much credit as far as business sense goes :p

[john19055]

XFX 6800GS AGP at newegg is $229 which is'nt bad ,but if they are going to use the old NV40 chips for it and it is clock at 350/ 1100 and just has 12 pipes then you are better off with the 6800GT .

[mark501]

The 6800GS seems to be identical the old Asus V9999 GE card. Nv40 core with 12 pixel pipelines, core at 350MHz, GDDR3 memory at 1000MHz.

So here's 2 reviews of the "6800GS AGP":
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/asus-v9999ge.html
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=569&cid=2

Heh, no way. If its significantly faster than the 6600GT AGP, itl sell like crazy because right now there is a HUUUGE hole in the Nvidia graphics card market and it covers everything above "low end". Systems like mine are still in the top range as far as CPU\RAM speed and features, but if I had a mid\low end card (like a 6600GT) , I would have *ZERO* video upgrade options short of buying a second hand 6800 or going ATI (and who the hell wants to do that? :p).


Why would ppl buy crap products from Nvidia if ATI offers better cards?

Im not gonna buy a 6800GS agp UNLESS theres a very high chance of unlocking 4 more functioning pipes or if the card is cheap enough.