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Telomerase
01-04-06, 08:58 PM
does anyone think the next generation highest end cards will cost $700+ ?

i'll definitely have $800 for this summer's release... but i have $500 right now and spotted an incredible deal on a highend drive... for $140... i could live without it if the price of cards is going to be insane like the GTX-512s... i just want a single card.

jAkUp
01-04-06, 11:16 PM
I don't think they will... ATI is releasing their card and they need to stay competitive... also they will have better yeilds, so more supply= lower prices.

Telomerase
01-04-06, 11:31 PM
see i have $500 and getting $300... = $800 if i buy this new drive... i'll have iike $650... do you think i can afford the absolute highest end offerings in the summer?

bkswaney
01-05-06, 01:14 AM
I don't think they will... ATI is releasing their card and they need to stay competitive... also they will have better yeilds, so more supply= lower prices.


I was thinking the same thing jAkUp. :)

I do see highend cards running 600 to 650 though.
It really suxs. It was not long ago they were 400 bucks.
I will not spend more than 400 on one videocard.
That leaves me with second best these days.

bkswaney
01-05-06, 01:15 AM
see i have $500 and getting $300... = $800 if i buy this new drive... i'll have iike $650... do you think i can afford the absolute highest end offerings in the summer?


Yes! :)

Rakeesh
01-05-06, 01:19 AM
The price of videocards will always just go up to whatever people will pay for them. And people do pay a lot of money for video cards; way beyond what they normally cost.

*thread hijack*

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Sazar
01-05-06, 01:23 AM
If people like Jakup are willing to sell their kidney's for em, sure, why not :D

I blame Jakup for single-handedly driving up the cost of video cards :eek:

:angel:

jAkUp
01-05-06, 01:38 AM
lol :D

Sorry guys :o

nV`andrew
01-05-06, 01:50 AM
lol :D

Sorry guys :o

sorry's not good enough

:grabs mouse and bat:

heatlesssun
01-05-06, 01:53 AM
It really depends on the supply. I would tend to think not. The only reason that the GTX 512 has been so expensive is that there were so few of them. nVidia probably hasn't sold more than 20,000 (I got my two). If you think about it, this a VERY small market for such big companies, that even though the prices can be high, it's not like that make much money on them. They'd probably like to be able to get the prices down, and sell as mant as they can.

$650USD will probably get you what you want this summer as long as there is not a supply problem.

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Son Goku
01-05-06, 02:04 AM
Meh, forget jackup, try that doufuss who bid an excesive amount on Ebay, for something he could have bought locally for less :rofl :retard:

Anyhow, as long as nVidia and ATI remain competitive, not really. If one of these companies were to go out of business however, price hikes could well be more likely.

Telomerase
01-05-06, 02:14 AM
but if rumours are correct, being dual core GPUs and all.. won't that nearly double the current price of them? dual core CPUs are still out of this world...

Son Goku
01-05-06, 02:39 AM
Doesn't mean the price will double. Heck, even looking at the CPUs, OK I'll pull the prices from pricewatch (which aren't exactly retail, so some might take issue, but still)

http://www.pricewatch.com/

Sorry, I can't get a unique URL for the page, but select CPUs, and browse for Athlon 64s and X2s.

$780 - athlon 64 x2 4800 dual core
$625 - athlon 64 x2 4600 dual core
$490 - athlon 64 x2 4400 dual core
$395 - athlon 64 x2 4200 dual core
$315 - athlon 64 x2 3800 dual core

$325 - athlon 64 4000
$325 - athlon 64 4000 90nm rev
$275 - athlon 64 3800

Sorry, the Athlon 64 isn't available beyond the 4000+, so only the 3800 can be price compared. The price difference there isn't that great all things considered. $275 vs. $315... Beyond that one's looking at the FX and other, admittedly not cheap processors, so I won't bother comparing them.

A doubling of the number of cores, != necessarily to a doubling of the resources that go into the card. There's still one PCB (and unless it's got double the real estate on the board)... The RAM isn't necessarily doubled either. Also, being dual core isn't the same as throwing 2 GPUs on the same board (ala Voodoo 5 5500 style). Yeah, the wafer might be larger, but twice as expensive to manufacture; eh not sure about that, especially after production gets into full swing.

But many have been correct in this thread, saying it will be what people would be willing to pay. Supply and demand is a very important factor. I suspect that if the prices saw a major hike (let along a doubling), many would balk and would more likely consider ATI's upcomming card.

Also, the last time we saw a major price increase (with the GeForce 3) it was right after 3dfx had folded and people weren't sure how well ATI would be able to take 3dfx's place as a competitor. That generation, one either got a GeForce 3, or well the Kyro 2 came out around then. How much competition did the GF3 really see? People were waiting for Rampage until news of 3dfx's demise came out.

Even then, people bawlked a bit about suggested prices for the GF3, and the actual price (that people were seeing on the shelves) ended up closer to $400 then the suggested $500+ price point I seem to have remembered.

Treason
01-05-06, 04:37 AM
ATi next gen cards will definitely be around $700. Not so sure for nVidia since they are quite in the black at the moment and can afford to lowball ATi this year (again).

Airbrushkid
01-05-06, 04:38 AM
I think they will be above $700.00. They already pushed people to spend that much on one card but think of the people that bought 2 for Sli!! To me there a rip.

skoprowski
01-05-06, 09:15 AM
Yep- ATI's next card will be $699.99

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?p=1334101193#post1334101193

It'll be interesting to see how it will perform compared to a SLI/Crossfire system.

Zandig
01-05-06, 09:18 AM
The price of the newer/high end graphics cards is absurd. Yet there will always be suckers who will buy them even if they were $2,000 a piece as long as they get more 3D marks. I wonder what the profit margin is for nVidia and ATI on their higher end cards? Quite a bit would be my guess.

jAkUp
01-05-06, 01:09 PM
BB is probably price gouging. Once again I seriously doubt that it will be $699.

The biggest factor of price is usually yields, ATi is geared to have great yields with the x1900xt-x, so I think the price will be in the $550-$600 range.

skoprowski
01-05-06, 01:21 PM
I've never known BB to sell much over suggested retail. The price does not suprise me at all since there still will be X1800XT inventory to sell when the X1900 debuts.

MrSavoy
01-05-06, 01:22 PM
BB is probably price gouging. Once again I seriously doubt that it will be $699.

The biggest factor of price is usually yields, ATi is geared to have great yields with the x1900xt-x, so I think the price will be in the $550-$600 range.

Uhh ya and what a bargain at that. lol Seriously though, the prices are way way out of hand. The top end cards shouldnt be more than 400-500 max. 700? absurd.

jAkUp
01-05-06, 01:24 PM
Well, just like anything in life, luxerys get more and more expensive... like high end cars, houses, etc.

And I seem to remember BB selling a 6800 Ultra 512MB for absurd prices! So their prices are out of wack sometimes.

Remember the original Geforce256 cards went for around $500 if I am thinking correct...

Marvel_us
01-05-06, 01:28 PM
Yea, BB prices on highend video cards are usually gouged.

I expect something like 599, 649max...I hope.

Telomerase
01-05-06, 05:29 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8747309458

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=) i'll have atleast $730 for a new video card.


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phide
01-05-06, 06:25 PM
$700 for video cards isn't an unimaginable scenario, but I don't think MSRP will be that high.

Of course, MSRP seems to have absolutely no factor on pricing as we've seen recently at the high end.

Oh, and what do you use the Cheetahs for?

Telomerase
01-05-06, 06:33 PM
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