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JamesDax
01-08-06, 11:57 AM
The sempron is running at 2Ghz with 256K cache while the Athlon is running at 1.8Ghz with 512K cache. So, which is better budget gaming cpu?? They both cost about the same. I realize that they are socket 754, which is supposed to be a deadend platfrom, but those are my likely choices. It's tax return time and time for an upgrade.

btw, I'll probably be getting a 6800GS with this too.

$n][pErMan
01-08-06, 01:05 PM
I dont know why you are not going for a low end socket 939... it will not really cost you any more unless you already have the motherboard or something. At least with 939 you have upgradeability. But if I had to choose id pick the Athlon64 2800+

superklye
01-08-06, 01:41 PM
I agree with everything Sniper said. Go low-end 939, you'll be much happier with the opportunity of upgrading later.

And you can always OC the 2800+ to get to the 2GHz of the Sempron. You can't add more cache.

JamesDax
01-08-06, 03:10 PM
The cost of a Athlon64 3200+ and 939 motherboard is about 50$ more then a 2800+ and a 754 motherboard. A significant amount for me and my budget. Of course I could go with a lowerend video card. Would going from a from a 6800GS to a 6800NU be worth getting the 939 package??

Apollo 13
01-08-06, 05:31 PM
why rush? just wait until you get a little more money and get the 6800GS and a lowend 939 system...if you don't follow that you'll be regretting it.

JamesDax
01-08-06, 05:37 PM
Waiting isn't really an option with me. If I don't spend it it will be spent. The wife and children will see to that. You can't imagine how often this has already happened to me while waiting to save more.

superklye
01-08-06, 06:34 PM
Well, the PCIe GS OCs like mad, but I assume you weren't going to be getting a PCIe socket 754, were you?

If it's between an AGP GS and NU...I don't really know. Both have the same cores, but the GS only has 8 pipes whereas the NU has 12. However, the NU has slow DDR1 RAM whereas, I believe, the GS still has DDR3. I don't think you'd see much of a hit getting an NU over a GS though.

And can you still get 2800+ 939s? I don't know. I DO know that the Venice 3000+ is amazing in that it's about $140 (possibly even cheaper now) and OCs like MAD.

JamesDax
01-08-06, 07:04 PM
Well, the PCIe GS OCs like mad, but I assume you weren't going to be getting a PCIe socket 754, were you?

If it's between an AGP GS and NU...I don't really know. Both have the same cores, but the GS only has 8 pipes whereas the NU has 12. However, the NU has slow DDR1 RAM whereas, I believe, the GS still has DDR3. I don't think you'd see much of a hit getting an NU over a GS though.

And can you still get 2800+ 939s? I don't know. I DO know that the Venice 3000+ is amazing in that it's about $140 (possibly even cheaper now) and OCs like MAD.

Actually I am going with PCIe socket 754. Haven't seen any 2800+ or 3000+ 939s but I'll look around some more.

superklye
01-08-06, 09:35 PM
Oh, well then...the PCIe GS is a force to be reckoned with.

And here's the Venice 3000+:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103606

Only $127...that's down like $25 from when I got mine.

rev.
01-08-06, 11:15 PM
ASRock Dual SATA2 would be an inexpensive 939 board.

bkswaney
01-09-06, 12:56 AM
ASRock Dual SATA2 would be an inexpensive 939 board.



I agree with that 100%. :)
Plus the boards rock! :D :D

superklye
01-09-06, 07:47 AM
really?? the 6800GS agp has only 8 pixel pipes?
Yeup. But, because of the core revisions of the NV42 that the PCIe version uses, it overclocks to INSANE levels. I believe the PCIe version is clocked at 450/1000 stock, and a lot of people have gotten it up over 500/1.1 on air. At those speeds, even though it's only got 8 pipes, it outperfroms a GT without a problem.

JamesDax
01-09-06, 12:29 PM
I'm sorry, but i'm pretty sure it's the 6800XT thats has 8pipes.

superklye
01-09-06, 12:40 PM
I'm sorry, but i'm pretty sure it's the 6800XT thats has 8pipes.
I'm sorry but look at every review (and Mike's preview) of the GS. They have 8 pipes.

JamesDax
01-09-06, 12:44 PM
I'm sorry but look at every review (and Mike's preview) of the GS. They have 8 pipes.

From FiringSquads review:

The GPU itself is cooled by a copper heatsink. When combined with the board’s fan, the copper heatsink does a very good job of keeping the graphics core cool. In all honesty, this is probably a bit of overkill for a 12-pipe 110-nm GPU, even if it is running at 425MHz. We noted core temperatures never topped 55 degrees Celsius, further reinforcing this. (Again, this is all the more reason why we’re so impressed with the GeForce 6800 GS’ board design.)


Nvidia 6800GS 110nm, 12/12/24 5VU 425/1000 NV42
Nvidia 6800GT 130nm, 16/16/32 6VU 350/1000 NV41

I far as I know for the 6800 series it's like this:

6800LE, 6800XT - 8pipes
6800NU, 6800GS - 12pipes
6800GT, 6800Ultra - 16pipes

superklye
01-09-06, 12:55 PM
Well...you're right. I double checked everything, and I guess I clicked on something else this morning when I posted that because I swear to God whatever page I was looking at on XFXs site said 8 pipes.

I don't know where the hell I got that idea from. Odd. I could've sworn it was only 8 pipes. Whatever.

JamesDax
01-09-06, 01:03 PM
No worries.