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xgman
01-10-06, 08:37 PM
Nvidia 82.12 nor 82.65does Not support the Dell 3007. After much effort I found that 81.98 beta does, but why did Nvida put that in the 82.12 release notes?

83.10 does.

imemine
01-10-06, 10:10 PM
heres what i posted elsewhere today-


well, spent the day with this 30" and my bfg 7800gtx card and nvidias 82.12 drivers...

though ive installed many 2405 and such sized monitors, this one is giving me problems, maybe its some dual-link problem here, ive even tried both ports in case just one certain one only supported dual-link, but both give me the same problem...

i can only do exactly 50% resolution for anything to come up on the screen, meaning 1280x800. anything above or below gives me a blank screen. nvidias 82.12 drivers are supposed to resolve things but im not getting anywhere and have tried a number of diagnostic programs and custom resolutions even; nothing works. so until i find someone else who has it going or nvidias comes up with another build, im here at 50%.

heres a clue to the problem -
in nvidias driver control panel, under DEVICE ADJUSTMENTS, the MONITOR SCALING option is greyed out for it, and
under SCREEN RESOLUTIONS & REFRESH RATES, the ADVANCED TIMING button is greyed out for all resolutions except 1280x800...

xgman
01-11-06, 11:11 AM
82.12 simply does not support it. use 81.98 or re load 83.10 on top of 81.98 till Nvidia wakes up. I left a voicemail with Peter at Nvidia. W'ell see if they do anything to fix this.

Toss3
01-11-06, 11:53 AM
I know this is off topic but I just want to ask how you're games run at those resolutions and if all the games support it somehow(e.g. change the config)? Very nice display btw wouldn't mind one of my own! ;)

xgman
01-11-06, 11:57 AM
Nvidia called me back and will look into the 82.12 issue.

keep in kind that only one of the two dvi outputs will normally work as dual link, so make sure you try both to figure out which one is the dual link one. It is not always apparent by sight.

xgman
01-11-06, 11:58 AM
I know this is off topic but I just want to ask how you're games run at those resolutions and if all the games support it somehow(e.g. change the config)? Very nice display btw wouldn't mind one of my own! ;)


the monitor can run a all the resolutions via software, but not all games support the highest res.

imemine
01-11-06, 12:36 PM
ahhh, you are quite correct!
nvidia has made a mistake, 82.12 has no support for 3007. i uninstalled and put on 81.98, and now i have it working perfectly. the 3007 as my primary and a 2405 on my left as the secondary. now im excited to get busy in photoshop and flash with this much space....

bfg reminded me today, and is true of i believe most all cards, that duallink port is always the one closest to the motherboard...

now to await nvidia next release of cards, was it this february/march, that will hopefully support two duallink ports, because im already thirsty for more space....

thanks for the info xgman, i wouldve never thought that there was this mistake

Jimi
01-11-06, 01:04 PM
I'm confused by all of you guys.

First off, the Dell 30 inch does not have a scaler built in so the NVIDIA contorl panels options for adjusting the scaling are not going to be visible.

Second, I was at CES and saw the 30 inch working in NVIDIA's booth! They said they were using 82.12 with it and had no problems.

xgman did you try 82.12?

xgman
01-11-06, 01:07 PM
bfg reminded me today, and is true of i believe most all cards, that duallink port is always the one closest to the motherboard...


good tip. by the way, Nvidia told me that the 85xx drivers should be out before too long. You might try the 83.10 drivers if you want. They install fine once the 81.98's are loaded. Actually I suppose it is possible that the 82's may work after the 81.98's also, but I think I'll leave mine at 83.10 for now.

Jimi
01-11-06, 01:11 PM
heres what i posted elsewhere today-


well, spent the day with this 30" and my bfg 7800gtx card and nvidias 82.12 drivers...

though ive installed many 2405 and such sized monitors, this one is giving me problems, maybe its some dual-link problem here, ive even tried both ports in case just one certain one only supported dual-link, but both give me the same problem...

i can only do exactly 50% resolution for anything to come up on the screen, meaning 1280x800. anything above or below gives me a blank screen. nvidias 82.12 drivers are supposed to resolve things but im not getting anywhere and have tried a number of diagnostic programs and custom resolutions even; nothing works. so until i find someone else who has it going or nvidias comes up with another build, im here at 50%.

heres a clue to the problem -
in nvidias driver control panel, under DEVICE ADJUSTMENTS, the MONITOR SCALING option is greyed out for it, and
under SCREEN RESOLUTIONS & REFRESH RATES, the ADVANCED TIMING button is greyed out for all resolutions except 1280x800...

Your issue about not getting all resolutions only 1280x800 makes it sound like you have the display connected to the single link out.

How does 82.12 not work exactly?

Here's what I know.
- You must use the dual link connector on your graphics card with this monitor.
- the Dell 30 inch has no scaler so those options will be grayed out and 82.12 wont fix it
- 82.12 adds all of the resolutions available to you: I saw Battle For Middle Earth 2 running at 2048x1536 at Dell's booth at CES.

xgman
01-11-06, 01:13 PM
I'm confused by all of you guys.

First off, the Dell 30 inch does not have a scaler built in so the NVIDIA contorl panels options for adjusting the scaling are not going to be visible.

Second, I was at CES and saw the 30 inch working in NVIDIA's booth! They said they were using 82.12 with it and had no problems.

xgman did you try 82.12?


The scaler is software based and is visable in Ctrl panel.

I did try the 82.12's as did at least 3 other Nvidia users and they did NOT work. It is possible that on a totally clean system, the 82.12's would run 2560x1600, but I haven't tested nor do I have the time to test such a drastic option as a an Op sys reinstall. Now that said, I also haven't tried to re-load the 82.12's after the 81.98's either, but Nvidia told me that I might as well keep the 83.10's, which do work after an unisnatll of the 82.12's and a install of the 81.98's with a (install on top of) with the 83.10's, because whatever the 82.12's have, the 83.10's would also have in the driver development sequence according to Nvidia.

xgman
01-11-06, 01:17 PM
I think the problem with the 2560x1600 res is that without a clean unisnatll and Nv driver cleaner at the very least, theere are old driver profiles saved that do not support the 2560x1600 and that may be why the 82.12's didn't work. Someone could try a complete uninstall and driver cleaner and then load the 82.12's and they might work. (by the way I tried both dvi connectors to be sure, but it is the one closest to the MB like posted above) In any case, why not just use the 83.10's?

imemine
01-11-06, 01:17 PM
tried it on two systems, 82.12 just dont work, none of the scaling options are visible, the native size isnt even an option, and other things that would be indicative of a driver that doesnt support it are all evident. i spent about 7 hours trying to get it to work...

however the 81.982 worked immediately, the 3007 panel was found natively and correctly sized, and all my options are now there, and its working wonderfully right now using a dvico hdtv card on it while working on a project...

ill probably skip 83.10 and go for the next build after that, a jump immediately to 85.xx would be nice.

btw, i did a fresh xp install with 82.12 and it didnt work either, on a fresh driver install.

Jimi
01-11-06, 01:42 PM
I think the problem with the 2560x1600 res is that without a clean unisnatll and Nv driver cleaner at the very least, theere are old driver profiles saved that do not support the 2560x1600 and that may be why the 82.12's didn't work. Someone could try a complete uninstall and driver cleaner and then load the 82.12's and they might work. (by the way I tried both dvi connectors to be sure, but it is the one closest to the MB like posted above) In any case, why not just use the 83.10's?


Does 83.10 work and let you have more modes than just 1280x800 and 2560x1600? (e.g. 800x600, 1024x768...etc.)

Jimi
01-11-06, 01:45 PM
tried it on two systems, 82.12 just dont work, none of the scaling options are visible, the native size isnt even an option, and other things that would be indicative of a driver that doesnt support it are all evident. i spent about 7 hours trying to get it to work...

however the 81.982 worked immediately, the 3007 panel was found natively and correctly sized, and all my options are now there, and its working wonderfully right now using a dvico hdtv card on it while working on a project...

ill probably skip 83.10 and go for the next build after that, a jump immediately to 85.xx would be nice.

btw, i did a fresh xp install with 82.12 and it didnt work either, on a fresh driver install.

You are missing the point though, the Dell 30 inch monitor DOES NOT have a scaler and those controls panels are not functional. Only the GPU scaling can work.

What resolutions can you select with 81.98 from the Windows Dipslay Control panel?

xgman
01-11-06, 01:53 PM
Just got a message from Nvidia. Apparently Dell has two edid versions of panels in the 3007. Hmmm, I wonder. They said that on the test model 3007 they have, the 82.12's loaded up today with no problems. makes me wonder if there are two Lg/Samsung panel versions? Indications are that Samsung has sent some 30" panels to Dell. Don't know if any have shown up yet in the 3007.

problem with the 81.98 and 83.10 drivers is although they work at 2560x1600, they might not have all the gaming resolutions coded in the drivers that you may need.

xgman
01-11-06, 02:12 PM
You are missing the point though, the Dell 30 inch monitor DOES NOT have a scaler and those controls panels are not functional. Only the GPU scaling can work.

What resolutions can you select with 81.98 from the Windows Dipslay Control panel?


yes you are correct. I have top check and see. I still may try to get the 82.12's to work somehow. Nvidia says they just tried 82.12 on 3 new monitors and it loaded up on all 3. Something wierd is going on here on at least some of the shipped monitors.

xgman
01-11-06, 02:13 PM
Does 83.10 work and let you have more modes than just 1280x800 and 2560x1600? (e.g. 800x600, 1024x768...etc.)

I'll have to check later on.

xgman
01-11-06, 02:57 PM
Got this directly from Samsung just now. The panels in the current batch of 3007's are latest generation LG. Samsung panels may start getting mixed in around march at the earliest, but you will not be able to tell whether it is an LG or Samsung in any way other than visual quality and response in a side by side test. ie it will be guessing at best. Dell dual sources and sets the specs.

AirKuhl
01-11-06, 06:23 PM
Weird, I've seen 82.12 work on several of these things at all resolutions at CES and elsewhere.

Try going to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSetxxx\Enum\DISPL AY. Find the monitor (not sure what the 3007 key name is) and delete the "device parameters" key. Do this with HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\D ISPLAY too. Reboot.

xgman
01-12-06, 11:07 AM
Thanks. Will try that and let you know if it worked.

AirKuhl
01-13-06, 10:04 AM
Any luck? And not to state the obvious, but are you SURE that the monitor is plugged into the dual-link port? I ask because what you are observing is exactly what would happen if you used the single-link port.

xgman
01-13-06, 10:23 AM
Yes the dual link port is on, otherwise I couldn't get 2560x1600 with the 83.10 or any druivers. It's the one closest to the MB. With 83.10 drivers the following resolutions are in the slider:
2560x1600
1600x900
1280x800
1024x768
800x600

I also just downloaded a new ver of drivers called 82.65 form guru3d. I will test them for compatability later today. I also deleted all the registry entries suggested by AirHuhl, so hopefully it will work.

xgman
01-13-06, 07:56 PM
Followed all the Nvidia advice about editing the registry lines etc and 82.12 ansd 82.65 will simply NOT install correctly and give 2560x1600. back to 83.10 till someone figures this out. VERY FRUSTRATING!!!!

imemine
01-13-06, 08:34 PM
yup, same thing here, im going to go with the EDID difference. i used an EDID diagnostic to read mine out but dont know if it would help anyone so didnt post...
but 81.98 fine, 83.10 fine. the others ive spent hours on every trick ive learned in 25 years, but nothing...
will just wait and hope nvidia gets the 85xx drivers out to some testers with the 3007