PS3 problems?

[t6_shadow]

Read this thought people might find it interesting.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33841515

[GamerGuyX]

rage3d.com

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You shall die for your treachery.

[t6_shadow]

You shall stop making pointless childish uber-fanboi related posts or you will go on my ignore list.

[GamerGuyX]

You shall stop making pointless childish uber-fanboi related posts or you will go on my ignore list.

Don't make useless threats unless your going to follow through with them.

[evilchris]

lol

[nVidiaGuru]

"They proceeded to go into a lot of technical info that I don’t understand. So I just nod."

lol come on... this guy cant be serious..........he probably opened his mouth was fired then published this to get RRRREVENGE!!!!

"im not seeing much HDR lighting. (or they are faking it and not really doing it)"

i think we can rule this comment out too since weve had nvidia chips in our PC's for nearly 2 generations of cards that have been more than capable of doing HDR

just my .02, its all speculation till we see the product anyway

in the end sony will say "our PS3 is lookin like a star bitch, when you see it make a wish"

[Nv40]

This article looks too childish for being taking seriously as the comments of a real PS3 Developer.. ITs nothing more than FUD.. To create fear ,uncertainy and doubts about the capabilities of the PS3. He questions about HDR games in PS3 ? he probably doesnt even know Nvdia support this feature a year from now in their gpus , he also wants us to believe that all that we have seen in the PS3 is fake.. non realtime.. probably he missed the E3 launch ..there was killer demos there in realtime.. from IBM and EPIC.. and SOny. and also realtime demos from the spiderman movie .HE is not aware also of MGS4 realtime demo. Is funny that he says Xbox360 is faster from his insiders sources.. :) HE got it the other way.. because all developers until now ,including the ones that have released games for the Xbox360 ..(quake4,DOA) all agreed that one console is easier and the other faster.He needs to ask EPIC ,what they think about this.. because last i heard the only console that RUns their UE3 games without performance problems is the PS3 in UT2k7. Gears of wars in the xbox360 is a little slow from the comments i have heard everywhere. for comparison. the same goes for QUAke4 ,that IDsoftware blamed the xbox360 for the game slow performance. The only thing that could be true about all this is that the final PS3 is not finished.. everything else is completely opposite to what developers from both consoles have said in interviews many times.

[evilchris]

No one has seen anything run on a PS3 in real time, as there are no PS3's to run anything yet. The hardware is not complete, that's why there was an empty box and controller at CES. No real PS3.

[Edge]

This article looks too childish for being taking seriously as the comments of a real PS3 Developer.. ITs nothing more than FUD.. To create fear ,uncertainy and doubts about the capabilities of the PS3. He questions about HDR games in PS3 ? he probably doesnt even know Nvdia support this feature a year from now in their gpus , he also wants us to believe that all that we have seen in the PS3 is fake.. non realtime.. probably he missed the E3 launch ..there was killer demos there in realtime.. from IBM and EPIC.. and SOny. and also realtime demos from the spiderman movie .HE is not aware also of MGS4 realtime demo. Is funny that he says Xbox360 is faster from his insiders sources.. :) HE got it the other way.. because all developers until now ,including the ones that have released games for the Xbox360 ..(quake4,DOA) all agreed that one console is easier and the other faster.He needs to ask EPIC ,what they think about this.. because last i heard the only console that RUns their UE3 games without performance problems is the PS3 in UT2k7. Gears of wars in the xbox360 is a little slow from the comments i have heard everywhere. for comparison. the same goes for QUAke4 ,that IDsoftware blamed the xbox360 for the game slow performance. The only thing that could be true about all this is that the final PS3 is not finished.. everything else is completely opposite to what developers from both consoles have said in interviews many times.

So basically, you only know what you've "heard", but you know he's wrong?

[Banko]

No one has seen anything run on a PS3 in real time, as there are no PS3's to run anything yet. The hardware is not complete, that's why there was an empty box and controller at CES. No real PS3.
Actually there is here is a the MGS4 demo run real time on a PS3 dev kit:

http://files.filefront.com/MGS4_PS3_Devkit_Demo_Eng_subs/;4440530;;/fileinfo.html

[evilchris]

PS3 dev kit:



Exactly. Dev kit. It's all meaningless until the REAL THING comes out, such as the Xbox 360.

[Toss3]

Exactly. Dev kit. It's all meaningless until the REAL THING comes out, such as the Xbox 360.
Yup it's running on a dev kit and it looks better than any xbox360 game thus far and the dev kit has lower specs than the PS3! :cool: So this means that the PS3 will have even better graphics, no? :o
What we need to remember is that the PS3 will be a tad faster than the xbox360, as already stated by some developers, but it's actually up to the developers themselves how the graphics will look and not the console itself! So many games will look just the same on the xbox360 and ps3, while some of the exclusive titles will probably look better on the ps3.
We haven't seen games taking advantage of the xbox360's full potential yet so we are probably going to see even better graphics in the next round of games!

[six_storm]

Just like evilchris said, there is no set hardware yet and no one has seen any real time stuff yet. Basically, for me, until I see one of those little kiosk out at Best Buy or Walmart showing off what the consumer could buy, I'm not really believing anything I'm seeing. I thought the launch 360 games would have better graphics but they don't. That's because it's a bunch of hype. Wait until the actual PS3 comes out and then give your honest judgement.

[|MaguS|]

So you don't believe that MGS4 will look anything like it did at TGS? You think Kojima has lied and faked the footage?

[Badboy_12345]

This article looks too childish for being taking seriously as the comments of a real PS3 Developer.. ITs nothing more than FUD.. To create fear ,uncertainy and doubts about the capabilities of the PS3. He questions about HDR games in PS3 ? he probably doesnt even know Nvdia support this feature a year from now in their gpus , he also wants us to believe that all that we have seen in the PS3 is fake.. non realtime.. probably he missed the E3 launch ..there was killer demos there in realtime.. from IBM and EPIC.. and SOny. and also realtime demos from the spiderman movie .HE is not aware also of MGS4 realtime demo. Is funny that he says Xbox360 is faster from his insiders sources.. :) HE got it the other way.. because all developers until now ,including the ones that have released games for the Xbox360 ..(quake4,DOA) all agreed that one console is easier and the other faster.He needs to ask EPIC ,what they think about this.. because last i heard the only console that RUns their UE3 games without performance problems is the PS3 in UT2k7. Gears of wars in the xbox360 is a little slow from the comments i have heard everywhere. for comparison. the same goes for QUAke4 ,that IDsoftware blamed the xbox360 for the game slow performance. The only thing that could be true about all this is that the final PS3 is not finished.. everything else is completely opposite to what developers from both consoles have said in interviews many times.

I wonder how u can play real time PS3 demos then when the console was in alpha stage if even that :rolleyes:
we have yet to see any real time demo footage for the ps3...
I really really really dont think the ps3 is capabel of the movies they have shown us not in the start anyway maybe 1-2 years after.
PS3 may be faster Im certain it is but not by a longshot maybe 5-10% faster no way anymore than that.
I want to see where it says Gear of Wars runs slow on the latest build of the game plz show me that comment... and not a fanboy on a forum saying it :rolleyes:

[evilchris]

Believing Sony prelaunch hype shows an IQ of a retard. Sony is absolutely full of ****, much the same as PS2 prelaunch hype, the EmoTION EnGINE Can SIMULTAR reaL HUMAN EMOTIONZ !!!

[six_storm]

So you don't believe that MGS4 will look anything like it did at TGS? You think Kojima has lied and faked the footage?

Go back and read what I wrote. If you don't have a final set of hardware for the PS3 (what the consumers are gonna get), you cannot say "That's real footage of what the PS3 graphics are gonna look like". Heck they could look better than that! Or they could look worse.

Just like the Killzone stuff at E3 last year. I remember when people were all like "That's what the PS3 games will look like, oh so good." Bologna. Even at E3, all the XBOX 360 games playable were running on Power Macs lol. They looked "so good" but like I said in the last post, the launch games don't look all that "next gen". Get what I'm sayin? Until they finalize the hardware, you cannot give an honest judgement on what the game will look like.

[Mr. Hunt]

Go back and read what I wrote. If you don't have a final set of hardware for the PS3 (what the consumers are gonna get), you cannot say "That's real footage of what the PS3 graphics are gonna look like". Heck they could look better than that! Or they could look worse.

Just like the Killzone stuff at E3 last year. I remember when people were all like "That's what the PS3 games will look like, oh so good." Bologna. Even at E3, all the XBOX 360 games playable were running on Power Macs lol. They looked "so good" but like I said in the last post, the launch games don't look all that "next gen". Get what I'm sayin? Until they finalize the hardware, you cannot give an honest judgement on what the game will look like.

Kojima says it could possibly look better, but they are running MGS4 on a devkit, which isn't even as powerful as the PS3 will be, and I believe Kojima over most people since he hasn't outright lied about anything regarding his games.

[Toss3]

Kojima says it could possibly look better, but they are running MGS4 on a devkit, which isn't even as powerful as the PS3 will be, and I believe Kojima over most people since he hasn't outright lied about anything regarding his games.
QFT! And I don't know about you but I believe Microsoft lied to us too, just like sony did with the Emotion Engine! So the Ps3 won't probably have Killzone looking graphics, but as Mgs4 already showed, it's pretty close!
And Evilchris may I ask you if you have any aliasing in your games? Cuz' I sure do and Microsoft promised full-scene aa in every game! So in my view they're just as bad as sony!
I'm sure the Ps3 won't be anything spectacular after the xbox360 but I still believe that we will be able to see a difference in graphics between those two. IMHO: specs: sony>microsoft, controller sony<<<<Microsoft and games: sony=microsoft! (nana2)

[Edge]

Kojima says it could possibly look better, but they are running MGS4 on a devkit, which isn't even as powerful as the PS3 will be, and I believe Kojima over most people since he hasn't outright lied about anything regarding his games.

The thing is, the final specs on the PS3 could change, or end up falling behind in areas that aren't expected (lets not forget about how powerful the PS2 was reported to be, and then finding out that some aspects of it were inferior to the Dreamcast). It would be really quite amazing to see it running at the specs they've proposed without any major bottlenecks, but I'm not holding my breath until I see the final product.

But even so, Kojima manages to do an amazing job no matter what technology he's given, so it wouldn't surprise me if they did end up improving the graphics quality, even if the PS3 isn't anymore powerful (or hell, even less powerful) than what they're running it on now. I hope they make the shadowing system fully realtime, rather than only affecting characters.

[kev13dd]

Kojima says it could possibly look better, but they are running MGS4 on a devkit, which isn't even as powerful as the PS3 will be, and I believe Kojima over most people since he hasn't outright lied about anything regarding his games.

Someone's gotta start sometime

They may have never lied about a different console, but the PS3 could be totally different. He could be getting extra pressure and cash from Sony, not to mention hype, that might skew everything a little bit

Everything so far comming from MGS4 was scripted. Until the user can control the action and still have it look the way it did, it's complete hype

K

[|MaguS|]

Someone's gotta start sometime

They may have never lied about a different console, but the PS3 could be totally different. He could be getting extra pressure and cash from Sony, not to mention hype, that might skew everything a little bit

Everything so far comming from MGS4 was scripted. Until the user can control the action and still have it look the way it did, it's complete hype

K

Scripted scenes in MGS3 looked identical to gameplay scenes... Kojima also wasn't even planning to direct MGS4 untill he saw the devotion and demand for his return to the project. Sony had no say in it (atleast according to him).

We have also seen Tim Sweeny control a realtime UT2007 demo on the devkit , Warhawk demo was said to be realtime aswell (aswell as rumored to be a launch title).

As for "its all fake/hype" untill its playable or a unit is produced... well thats BS, why would Sony go out and create a DevKit that is more powerful then what the console will be? That would cause alot of problems in development.

The only system that sony has changed specs after its announcement was the PSP and with that they actually listened to developers and improved it by adding more RAM.

[kev13dd]

Scripted scenes in MGS3 looked identical to gameplay scenes... Kojima also wasn't even planning to direct MGS4 untill he saw the devotion and demand for his return to the project. Sony had no say in it (atleast according to him).

We have also seen Tim Sweeny control a realtime UT2007 demo on the devkit , Warhawk demo was said to be realtime aswell (aswell as rumored to be a launch title).

As for "its all fake/hype" untill its playable or a unit is produced... well thats BS, why would Sony go out and create a DevKit that is more powerful then what the console will be? That would cause alot of problems in development.

The only system that sony has changed specs after its announcement was the PSP and with that they actually listened to developers and improved it by adding more RAM.

MGS3 isn't MGS4. There have been many a times where sequals came out and butchered the entire series with hype and not the graphics or gameplay to back it up

Look at how many crap, unknown, unheard of games have come out for the PS2 and the Xbox and PS1, and all the other cruddy games that have come out that looked awful and no one wanted. You don't normally (especially recently) see many of those games come out with the release of a new console. I doubt Microsoft would allow some PS1 style graphics game to be released as a launch title. Regardless of if they actually asked Kojima for the game, I'm sure Sony still has/had a little bit of influence somewhere mixed in

I'm not saying it's fake until the actual console comes out, I'm saying it's irrelevant until the actual GAME comes out and you can play it. If they can make a playable demo on the PS3 devkit it would be different. If all they can do is release a video of it, a split screen, and call it "realtime" with nothing to back it up except their previous history, then it's plain sillyness to let your jaw drop

K

[Subtestube]

I'm not taking any sides in this - I tend to believe that if nothing else, the Sweeney demo, the Ducks demo, and the MGS4 trailer are probably indicative of what *some* PS3 games will look like. Nevertheless, it is worth noting that at least early PS2 devkits actually had much more RAM than ever appeared in the real PS2. I don't think that's going to happen with the PS3, as it would be a very bad move, and makes life much harder for developers, BUT it's definitely worth noting that final hardware isn't final until it's in production.

Again, I want to stress that I don't think that that's going to happen with the PS3.

[|MaguS|]

Um, they just didn't call it realtime... they actually proved it was by controlling the camera and even the effects infront of people. The same was done with UT2007 at E3 (which PSM has claimed to have played on the Devkit at Epic).

Considering that MGS4 is the fourth in the series and none in the past have been nothing short of amazing (even the original NES titles), I am willing to bet that no fan will be disappionted in MGS4.

BTW, Tecmo has officially announced that they will unveil thier PS3 titles shortly...