GeForce FX now in March?

[borntosoul]

well if thats the case than this is really getting sad ,are they spending all this time trying to get the drivers to perform some miracle ,its nearly feb and we havent even got a review yet .i wonder what the real hold up is .

[Fotis]

Drivers or hardware ?
The real question is who cares about GFFX now except hardcore nvidiots?
March, april,may,whatever!! :rolleyes:
R400 is only 4 months away from GFFX expected release.
If I had a gforce4 I would go for r400.
Call me a fanATIc but GFFX has been delayed so many times its sure to become the next DNF joke.
I really hope they put it in shops earlier because competition is always good but things look a bit bad for nvidia.:surrender

[druga runda]

Unbelivable :eek:

I have to say that this looks like V5500. Those *FX engineers sure left a mark. I am wandering will ATI be able to maintian their aggressive schledule.

I hope those 6 months refresh cycles were not to much for the industry. perhaps ATI could be a new pace setter. Nvidia is getting late these days. First Nforcew, than Nforce2, GeforceFX.... what is going on?


I thought it will be Feb for mass availability back last Autumn while many were hoping for Christmas availability. I guess noone could have been so sceptical to forsee March :eek: And that is for 400 USD huh..

[Megatron]

A few things about this card to me sounds bad..i know Im a biased person with my preferences..but things like.


- "The card may not physically fit in some systems for this reason."

Cmon..ATI has shown you can make Next gen products without having to use an aircraft carrier for a PCB.

-"Requires a vacant PCI slot adjacent to the AGP slot"

Length wasnt enough..now you need to also allow it to gobble a PCI slot too.

-"16GB/sec memory bandwidth (32GB with compression)"

32GB with compression???...ummm wasnt it 48GB with compression last week? What happened?


Add in the ever changing release date...and its really hard NOT to picture another V5 5500 coming down the pike.
The fact Nvidia chose to call their new baby an "FX", only adds to this bad feeling.

Well hopefully it will be more like the Voodoo5 5500, and not the 6000 which it is looking like at the moment.

If i hear an ad campaign from Nvidia saying something to the effect of
"GeForce FX...so powerful its kind of rediculous"...then ill just know its over.

:D

[sancheuz]

Originally posted by Fotis
Drivers or hardware ?
The real question is who cares about GFFX now except hardcore nvidiots?
March, april,may,whatever!! :rolleyes:
R400 is only 4 months away from GFFX expected release.
If I had a gforce4 I would go for r400.
Call me a fanATIc but GFFX has been delayed so many times its sure to become the next DNF joke.
I really hope they put it in shops earlier because competition is always good but things look a bit bad for nvidia.:surrender

I bet you anthing that A)R400 will get delayed a couple of months and B)Gffx will be faster then R400, i believe R400 will only be 9700 with faster core memory ect.

[Uttar]

Originally posted by sancheuz
I bet you anthing that A)R400 will get delayed a couple of months and B)Gffx will be faster then R400, i believe R400 will only be 9700 with faster core memory ect.

I'm ready to bet a hefty lot of money the R400 will be faster than the GFFX.
But don't worry, nVidia isn't sleeping at all ;)


Uttar

[Bigus Dickus]

Originally posted by sancheuz
I bet you anthing that... B)Gffx will be faster then R400, i believe R400 will only be 9700 with faster core memory ect.

Bwwwaaaaaahhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fotis]

Originally posted by sancheuz
I bet you anthing that A)R400 will get delayed a couple of months and B)Gffx will be faster then R400, i believe R400 will only be 9700 with faster core memory ect.
:zzzz:

[-=DVS=-]

Originally posted by sancheuz
I bet you anthing that A)R400 will get delayed a couple of months and B)Gffx will be faster then R400, i believe R400 will only be 9700 with faster core memory ect.

Actually you wrong ATI sayd they new R400 is new core as was R100 to R200 to R300 , However R350 is a refresh and NV30 isn't fast at all its very limited by its 128bit bus :o it needs to run so hot so high core to mach R300 in bandwith :rolleyes: , cheapest R300 refresh will overhelm NV30 in AA benchmarks :D

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by -=DVS=-
Actually you wrong ATI sayd they new R400 is new core as was R100 to R200 to R300 , However R350 is a refresh and NV30 isn't fast at all its very limited by its 128bit bus :o it needs to run so hot so high core to mach R300 in bandwith :rolleyes: , cheapest R300 refresh will overhelm NV30 in AA benchmarks :D

I would wager you a pint of beer that a faster FX with 256 bit memory bus appears before R400. I'll also wager that R400 will be delayed due to going to the 0.13 micron process.

The R350 though does seem that it will provide a cheaper alternative to the curren incarnation of the GF FX.

Regards

Andy

[gokickrocks]

i dont think the nv35 will move to the 256bit bus, i just cant see it happening (although it would be a great benefit), i think nvidia will do like in the past and just put faster ram and up the core...

as for the r400 being delayed...how is it delayed if it hasnt been announced? ati also gets the benefit of a smoother transitioning to .13 micron than nvidia because the process will be more refined by then by tsmc...anyone care to bet that ati will break the 200m transistors barrier on the r400's core?

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by gokickrocks
i dont think the nv35 will move to the 256bit bus, i just cant see it happening (although it would be a great benefit), i think nvidia will do like in the past and just put faster ram and up the core...

as for the r400 being delayed...how is it delayed if it hasnt been announced? ati also gets the benefit of a smoother transitioning to .13 micron than nvidia because the process will be more refined by then by tsmc...anyone care to bet that ati will break the 200m transistors barrier on the r400's core?


I say I think it will be delayed on past evidence of company's moving to 0.13. Intel, AMD etc have all had problems. True, TSMC will have had one go at it with nvidia, but there will still be problems is my guess.

Besides, do you know hard it is to email/fax instructions from jail ? ( joke )

Regards

Andy

[Fotis]

GFFX was delayed because TSMC had problems with 0.13 not because nvidia had problems with it.If TSMC has fixed the problems(since they build GFFX)why would ATI have a problem?

Zakelwe, you expect too much!!;)
You might as well hand over the beer now :beer2: or better lets drink it together:beer:

[zakelwe]

Originally posted by Fotis
GFFX was delayed because TSMC had problems with 0.13 not because nvidia had problems with it.If TSMC has fixed the problems(since they produce GFFX)why would ATI have a problem?

Zakelwe, you expect too much!!;)
You might as well hand over the beer now :beer2: or better lets drink it together:beer:

good idea ! In fact, I'll set myself a target toi keep drinking beer until the FX is released ;)

My assumption is that the different core on the Ati will mean a relearning process, but then I do not know much about the subject and so it might be easy.

Regards

Andy

[jbirney]

Well ATI has alreay got their "value" RV-350 up and running with high yeild on .13u so they not off to a bad start on .u13

[Gar]

Originally posted by sancheuz
I bet you anthing that A)R400 will get delayed a couple of months and B)Gffx will be faster then R400, i believe R400 will only be 9700 with faster core memory ect.


Stupidity at its finest. We should use that quote when someone wants to know how imbecilic some Nvidiots are. First off, the R350 is going to be the GPU that will take back the performance crown once the FX is nestled into the market (well I wouldn't call a 2 week span "nestled). At any rate, the R400 is going to be one hell of a GPU and I hope that Nvidia is planning on releasing something to compete with it during its release. Hearing many of the rumors about its specs I would think nothing Nvidia has (at least right now or in the future) is going to compare to it.

From Geeks.com

Their Radeon 9700 GPU is clearly the fastest GPU on the market, and the upcoming GeForce FX GPU won't be widely available until March. By that time--or shortly after--ATI will have the R350 part out, which will be fabbed on a 13.0m process. ATI's COO, Dave Orton, has stated that the R400 will definitely be out by next summer. The R350 will use DDR-II, and the R400 may use the next-generation GDER 3 memory standard. GDER 3 is designed for graphics applications, and ATI may be the first company to use it. The R400 will be a new core and should also be fabbed on a 130 nm process.

The NV35 is only going to be a refresh of the NV30 and adding a 256bit memory bus, which some people think is like adding more memory to the card, is going to require even more time and money considering they will have to redesign the core. Usually a refresh is adding additional enhancements to the initial design, increasing the memory controller to 256bit is much more than an 'enhancement'. If they do move to 256bit, it will definitely be late Q4. Plan on Nvidia trailing ATI for a while in the performance market if and only if ATI stays on top with their cycles. These delays are only going to put Nvidia more behind and make it harder for them to make a come back. Howeve, this does not mean they are down and out. If they can get good results with their mainstream line they can hold on fine considering this is where they make their money.

[zakelwe]

I like the geek.com quote ;-

"By that time--or shortly after--ATI will have the R350 part out, which will be fabbed on a 13.0m process"

This must be the biggest slip ever made in relation to measurement scales. How big is that card, maybe the size of Quebec ? :D

I think they mean 0.13 micron and I think that is incorrect anyhow as most people say 0.15 for the R350 and 0.13 for the simpler RV350.

Somewhat of an unfortunate quote to quote in all.

Regards

Andy

[Gar]

yeah, eveyone knows that ATI taped out the R350 - .15 and the RV350 - .13. The RV isn't going to be announced until summer. People are speculating that it will be announced along with or right before the R400, just like the 9000pro was before the 9700pro. (9000pro = RV250, based off of the R200 core much like the RV350 based off of the R300).

[Fotis]

Gar you say you've heared rumors about r400.
Can you share them with us?

[Gar]

If you check over at rage3d/beyond3d forums, you will find tons of them like:

-600-700Mhz GDDR-III paired with a 256bit Bus
-40GB Raw bandwidth
-170-200M transistors
-500 to 600mhz core
-16 independant (non paralell) unified VPS DX10 pipelines
-HyperZ IV
-Smoothvision 3
-most likely the low K .13 process (depending on yeilds at TSMC).


Of course this is all speculation and has no merit at this point, however, I have read an interview with the COO at ATI and he said that (this was before the R300 release) they were excited about the R300, but they even more excited with the design of the R400. It sounds like the R400 is going to change they way graphics cards processes textures/shaders etc, and that the design is very different among any other card design by ATI. Since the R300 was a new core and considering the way it performed, I have no doubt the R400 will deliver equally or on a greater scale.

[netape]

Originally posted by Gar

-16 independant (non paralell) unified VPS DX10 pipelines

Did I understand this right, DX10 pipelines = DX10 compatible? :confused:

If I understood that right, that rumor is just a rumor, because DX10 is nowhere near being released.

Please correct me if I'm wrong :)

[-=DVS=-]

Originally posted by netape
Did I understand this right, DX10 pipelines = DX10 compatible? :confused:

If I understood that right, that rumor is just a rumor, because DX10 is nowhere near being released.

Please correct me if I'm wrong :)

lol he meant 16 pipes and DX10 compatible :rolleyes:


So i was right ATI will double its GPU complexity :D sweeet


And about that bet its gonna be 160mil minimum :p :beer: :beer2:

[Lezmaka]

lemme get this straight...

ATI will release a high end $400 card in march or so, then 3-4 months later release another high end $400 card, not to mention that it'll support dx10 1-1.5 years before dx10 is released?

lol

[Fotis]

DX10 support?:nono:
PS 3.0+ ,VS 3.0+ maybe.

[Bigus Dickus]

R400 will likely be another Septermberish launch.

Rather than having 16 pipes or insane clock rates, I think we'll see an 8 pipe card at ~550/550 (256 bit 1.1GHz effective) with the following improvements:

Unified vertex/pixel shaders, very flexible and powerful per clock. Per-primitive processor. TMU pool.