Intel about to open a can of __ @ss

[bkswaney]

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2716

Man it seems Intel is ready to get back in to the game again.
These first Conroe numbers are sweet. Man I'm glad to see the
P4's going away. (nana2)

AMD is in for a big fight from here on out it seems.
This is great for is us though. Better prices and performance.. :D
I'll be buying one when it's released.

[superklye]

Isn't this, like, the 4th thread on this topic?

[GamerGuyX]

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[j0j081]

I wouldn't count on those being accurate just yet.

[retsam]

they were preloaded benches on the system provided by intel. they could just be compiled and optimized to take advantage of the new processors... time will tell thoe

[Sazar]

I posted a few months back precisely because of what was in the pipeline that was being sampled :cool:

Intel's new products, top to bottom, will be very appealing. Unfortunately I don't have as much info on the AMD procs, but looking at specs and timeline, Intel may well have the upper-hand at years end.

[retsam]

the only problem i have with intel is they dont price there procs as well as AMD.

[JoKeRr]

Well, I'm not sure about that. Right now the price of AMD Dual Core processor is just outrageous, once Conroe is released, X2's should drop in price to more reasonable level which is much better for consumers. Besides, the 2.67Ghz Conroe should be priced around 600USD, which is wayyy less than the 1K or above FX-60 (not to mention FX60 was totally SMOKED).

[YOGIx213]

Well, I'm not sure about that. Right now the price of AMD Dual Core processor is just outrageous, once Conroe is released, X2's should drop in price to more reasonable level which is much better for consumers. Besides, the 2.67Ghz Conroe should be priced around 600USD, which is wayyy less than the 1K or above FX-60 (not to mention FX60 was totally SMOKED).

That's the beauty of competition. I hope Intel gets it right so that ALL prices can come down to earth.

[Son Goku]

Well, I'm not sure about that. Right now the price of AMD Dual Core processor is just outrageous, once Conroe is released, X2's should drop in price to more reasonable level which is much better for consumers. Besides, the 2.67Ghz Conroe should be priced around 600USD, which is wayyy less than the 1K or above FX-60 (not to mention FX60 was totally SMOKED).

In all fairness however, you're talking prices from 9-12 months (or whatever) in the future, to prices today. Prices do tend to go down over time, and if the market would allow Intel to charge $1k for the proc, they would. No competition, + a high end part that has little current competition allows for a higher price. This is more business, then it's either an Intel or an AMD thing...

But yes, those benches give the Conroe a very good showing at this point...

[borntosoul]

yeah im up for good competition and lower prices- the reason for my post realy was to coment on JoKeRr pic, which ones the monkey! muahahaha

[coldpower27]

Well, I'm not sure about that. Right now the price of AMD Dual Core processor is just outrageous, once Conroe is released, X2's should drop in price to more reasonable level which is much better for consumers. Besides, the 2.67Ghz Conroe should be priced around 600USD, which is wayyy less than the 1K or above FX-60 (not to mention FX60 was totally SMOKED).

Yes the AMD Dual Cores have a large price premium, since they offer better performance then what Intel can muster at the moment.

Conroe E6700 2.6GHZ/1066FSB/4MB will be 530US, which is basically half the flagship Athlon FX 60 1031US. It's also due out in 3-6 Months from now, with Late June being Optimistic, and September being pesimistic.

What's even more interesting is that there will be a E6600 2.4GHZ/1066FSB/4MB version which should still beat the FX-60 for 316US. So it's all good.

[Darkfalz]

Conroe 3.0 GHz or so should be one powerful CPU.

[walterman]

Well, P4 -> around 40 stages pipeline, Conroe -> around 14 stages.

It's all said for me. Der Old & Good P3 is back.

HT was a nice trick to keep all P4 resource units busy all the time, due to P4 had a huge hit on branches. But now, intel just dropped HT. Not needed anymore.

[JoKeRr]

Yes the AMD Dual Cores have a large price premium, since they offer better performance then what Intel can muster at the moment.

Conroe E6700 2.6GHZ/1066FSB/4MB will be 530US, which is basically half the flagship Athlon FX 60 1031US. It's also due out in 3-6 Months from now, with Late June being Optimistic, and September being pesimistic.

What's even more interesting is that there will be a E6600 2.4GHZ/1066FSB/4MB version which should still beat the FX-60 for 316US. So it's all good.


I feel like getting that 2.4ghz puppy and OC to 3ghz like my good old (and sold) 2.4C Northwood. In fact, my northwood hit 3.3ghz with stock Vcore, amazing chip.

conroe with 4mb of L2 should pack quite a punch, wonder how Intel's 65nm chips OC right now.

[LouieBaLLz]

i would love to see the benchies with all being equal...not the amd set up running 2 x 512MB DDR400 DIMMs and the intel setup running 2 x 512MB DDR2-667 DIMMs . yea running ddr2 vs plain ddr looks fair. ill stick to amd.

[coldpower27]

i would love to see the benchies with all being equal...not the amd set up running 2 x 512MB DDR400 DIMMs and the intel setup running 2 x 512MB DDR2-667 DIMMs . yea running ddr2 vs plain ddr looks fair. ill stick to amd.

This isn't Intel's problem, AMD chose to use an ODMC, which means they have to stick to one type of memory for awhile unless they want to redo their CPU again for a new memory type with the associated overhaul of Socket and motherboards, Also from the looks of things giving the K8/K9 more bandwidth doesn't really improve perdormance that largely.

The lesson from Socket 754 to Socket 939 should have tolds us that.

[sabersix1]

I here that the Conroe Extreme Edition is going to have a Quad Pump of 333Mhz on 1333MHz FSB and it is supposed to debut at 3.333GHz with a x10 Multiplier. And it is supposed to OC like a Scalded Dog and Run Like a Fire Hose. I cant wait to get my hands on one and put it on an NForce5 Dual x16 SLI board with Quad 80's. Talk about DROOL.
OH, Cheez, I'm gettin a Boner!
(nana2)

[mike686]

Only 1 nana? Let me help you out here:

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[Son Goku]

This isn't Intel's problem, AMD chose to use an ODMC, which means they have to stick to one type of memory for awhile unless they want to redo their CPU again for a new memory type with the associated overhaul of Socket and motherboards, Also from the looks of things giving the K8/K9 more bandwidth doesn't really improve perdormance that largely.

Well, the on-die memory controller does help wrt latency, which is the main advantage people have been seeing with their A64s when running a 32-bit OS. The other improvements wrt a 64-bit CPU hadn't helped much. Course I'm not sure I'd say re-design the whole CPU. A newer memory controller would be needed (something that was already slipped in with Venice, though it added more memory compatibility and efficency, rather then newer memory types); and AM2 would already entail a new socket. All in all, I don't think an integrated memory controller was a bad design decision...

However,

i would love to see the benchies with all being equal...not the amd set up running 2 x 512MB DDR400 DIMMs and the intel setup running 2 x 512MB DDR2-667 DIMMs . yea running ddr2 vs plain ddr looks fair. ill stick to amd.

If the A64 doesn't support DDR2, it doesn't support DDR2. Whether one could argue it as an apples to apples comparision wrt the memory doesn't change the fact that Conroe could support a memory type that A64, including the FX60 does not. As to fairness, if one wants to see what a consumer would get, trying to force an incompatible memory type; beyond being beyond any reasonable level of technical feasibility really would present a picture a consumer wouldn't tend to see; even if one could pull it off...

Even if they came out with 667 MHz DDR, that the memory controller isn't designed to run that high could itself pose a problem. Trying to impose such a requirement before the results would be believed, really would be expecting the FX60 setup to run well beyond it's design capabilities. If Conroe is able to run beyond the current gen A64, that's fact; not "crippling the FX to make it look bad".

Personally, if someone wants to take issue with comparing new tech to old, OK; but if one wants to try to force the old tech to work with newer stuff it wasn't designed to work with, just to make it look more even, forget about it :D Each product was designed, to run with and do what it does, and in part such was the point of such comparision...