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bbos
03-18-06, 01:16 PM
Hi, Im think about purchasing the 7800 gs co superclocked, but after visiting numerous msg boards, and learning that these cards crash as often as they do, so my question is should i buy the card? is the problem with these 7800gs co superclocked solved? my specs are below:


INTEL PENTIUM 4 3.0GHZ HT 512K L2 CACHE 800MHZ FSB
2x256 (1024)RAM coarsair XMS dual channel
6X DVD-ROM
SEAGATE BARRACUDA 120GB 8MB CACHE HD
1.44MB FLOPPY DRIVE BLACK
CREATIVE SOUNDBLASTER AUDIGY W/1394
ATI RADEON 9800 PRO 256MB
420W power supply

jcniest5
03-18-06, 01:20 PM
Since you don't have an Asus AMD board, I think you might be okay. But no, it's not a totally safe bet right now. I would wait until the glitch is fixed first before taking the plunge if you haven't already done so.

bbos
03-18-06, 02:01 PM
so these cards only conflict with AMD motherboards?

jcniest5
03-18-06, 03:46 PM
so these cards only conflict with AMD motherboards?

So far, that's what I've heard. None of the complaints have board for Intel CPU. All of them are using AMD CPU-based boards so far. But I'm NOT saying it's just AMD boards that are having problem. I'm only saying none of the Intel boys complain yet. So, you fill in the blank and get one and see how it goes with yours.

RiciN
03-18-06, 03:48 PM
I haven't had any problems with my system...3200 and 7800 gs co. I've played COD2 and BF2 and have never crashed once. ::knocks on wood::

jcniest5
03-18-06, 06:13 PM
Oops, I think I may have referred to the 7900GTX SC. I actually haven't heard any problem with the 7800GS SC. Sorry, for some reason, I thought this is regarding the 7900GTX SC. DOH!

7dollarlogo.com
03-19-06, 05:43 AM
I think this card will be very apropriate for ur PC

Superfly
03-19-06, 06:34 AM
I would buy a PCIe Socket 478 mobo and a new 7600GT. Cost nearly the same and it's faster.

What he said - I've had both and returned the 78GS for the PCIe MoBo and 76GT. Best idea I've had this year!!

buying a 78GS is like buying a Volvo or drinking alcohol free beer. :p

mark501
03-19-06, 09:10 AM
What he said - I've had both and returned the 78GS for the PCIe MoBo and 76GT. Best idea I've had this year!!

buying a 78GS is like buying a Volvo or drinking alcohol free beer. :p

You get better performance with the 7600GT?

Superfly
03-20-06, 07:51 AM
You get better performance with the 7600GT?

at stock the 7600GT is faster, the 7800GS did overclock to be just faster than the GT though.

I DO mean just faster, I'd take the stock 7600GT over the 78GS again any day of the week.

If someone here with a 7800GS could post some benchies I'll show you what I mean.

rek075
03-20-06, 10:24 AM
I got about 7000 on 3dmark05 with my 7800GS overclocked to 490/1400 (stock cooling)

Superfly
03-20-06, 10:27 AM
I got about 7000 on 3dmark05 with my 7800GS overclocked to 490/1400 (stock cooling)

yup - thats exactly the score I got on the 78GS when overclocked to the hilt!!!

question is whats ya stock score dude?? 6100?? - maybe 6200??

rek075
03-20-06, 10:51 AM
I think it may have been a tad higher (6300-6400?). I can't remember exactly though.

7000 is about stock 7800gt score-wise though right? Have you been able to overclock the 7600gt much?

Tobiasboon
03-20-06, 10:52 AM
If someone here with a 7800GS could post some benchies I'll show you what I mean.
Sure, first post so go easy. :)

These benchies were done at 500/1450 on the 7800GS, although I can run at up to 500/1600 for benchmarking if need be. Also the P4 will be replaced with a 3700+ this week (which I intend to run at 2.6GHz) so things might look even rosier. :)

I do find it slightly difficult to believe that a 7600GT could be able to outpace a 7800GS once any antialiasing etc was enabled (just thinking about it purely from a theoretical pov), I guess it could come close at default for the synthetic benchmarks, but beyond that I really cannot see it. However I am willing to be proved wrong. ;)

Also included the X800XT PE results I benched in comparison at the time. Fyi I have very little time for E-Peen (3D Mark) 2005/2006/whatever scores. :)

7800GS scores are in brackets unless otherwise stated.

Testbed
Intel Pentium 4 "Prescott" 3.4GHz @ 3.8GHz (272x14)
Abit IC7-G motherboard
2GB (4x512) PC3200 2.5T @ PC3500 3T

Drivers
ATI Catalyst 6.2 official (default settings)
Nvidia Forceware 83.90 beta (default settings)

Cards tested & clocks
Sapphire X800 Pro VIVO flashed to X800XT PE @ 580MHz core 1,160MHz memory w/ VGA Silencer
BFG 7800GS OC @ 500MHz core 1,450MHz memory

3D Mark scores
Lets get these out of the way, all at default settings...

3D Mark 2003: 14,032 (15,396)
3D Mark 2005: 6,876 (7,256)
3D Mark 2006: 2,351 SM2.0 1,221, CPU 1,112 (3,725 SM2.0 1,634, SM3.0 1,516, CPU 1,141)

Far Cry
HardwareOC - Archive
Resolution: 12801024
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Archive, demo: Archive1.tmd
Pixel shader: default model
Antialising: 4
Anisotrophic filtering: 16
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: enabled
Normal-maps compression: enabled

X800XT PE @ 580/1,160
Score = 75.02 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 81.88 FPS (Run 2)
Average score = 78.44 FPS

7800GS @ 500/1,450
Score = 83.87 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 89.41 FPS (Run 2)
Average score = 86.63 FPS

PC Games Hardware Demo
Resolution: 12801024
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Pier, demo: 1.tmd
Pixel shader: default model
Antialising: 4
Anisotrophic filtering: 16
HDR: disabled
Geometry Instancing: enabled
Normal-maps compression: enabled

X800XT PE @ 580/1,160
Score = 51.86 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 52.52 FPS (Run 2)
Average score = 52.18 FPS

7800GS @ 500/1,450
Score = 53.87 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 53.72 FPS (Run 2)
Average score = 53.79 FPS

Far Cry HDR (7800GS only)
HardwareOC - Archive
Resolution: 12801024
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Archive, demo: Archive1.tmd
Pixel shader: default model
Antialising: None
Anisotrophic filtering: 16
HDR: level 7 / 2
Geometry Instancing: enabled
Normal-maps compression: enabled

Score = 53.86 FPS (Run 1) / 67.53 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 54.38 FPS (Run 2) / 70.19 FPS (Run 2)
Average score = 54.11 FPS / 68.86 FPS

PC Games Hardware Demo
Resolution: 12801024
Maximum quality option, Direct3D renderer
Level: Pier, demo: 1.tmd
Pixel shader: default model
Antialising: None
Anisotrophic filtering: 16
HDR: level 7 / 2
Geometry Instancing: enabled
Normal-maps compression: enabled

Score = 39.05 FPS (Run 1) / 45.67 FPS (Run 1)
Score = 39.36 FPS (Run 2) / 44.89 FPS (Run 2)
Average score = 39.20 FPS / 45.27 FPS

Quake 4
Guru 3D demo
Resolution: 12801024
Demo: guru5.demo
Quality: High
Aspect Ratio: [4:3]
Antialiasing: 4
Anisotrophic filtering: 16
Symmetric MultiProcessing (SMP) enabled
Score = 70.9 FPS (75.8fps)

Half-Life 2
DuPont - Canals 09
Resolution: 12801024
Demo: DuPont - d1_canals_09
Detail: Maximum quality
Hardware DirectX level: DirectX 9
High Dynamic Range: None
Heapsize: 128 MB
Antialising mode: 4
Filtering mode: Anisotropic 16
Fast Z: Disabled
Score = 75.1 FPS (86.8fps)

Half-Life 2: The Lost Coast
1280x1024
4x AA
16x AF
HDR on full
Reflect all
Video Stress Test: 46.23fps (73.15fps)

X3 - The Reunion

X3 Demo Benchmark

--------------------------
X3 - Reunion
--------------------------
Game version: 1.3.0.US


Graphic card name and driver used: RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition Version [6.14.10.6599]


CPU name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz Family 7 Model 3

Video settings during benchmark:
Screen resolution: 1280 x 1024 * [32]
using shader profile: 2.b
Antialias Mode: 4x
Anisotropic Mode: 16x

Graphic & Shader settings
Texture quality: high
Shader quality: high
High quality bumpmaps: enabled
Environment map: enabled
Postprocessing: enabled
using 16bit vertex format: yes

Framerates
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scene 00 43.5 average fps 35.0 minimum fps 62.0 maximum fps
Scene 01 30.8 average fps 13.0 minimum fps 60.0 maximum fps
Scene 02 48.3 average fps 36.0 minimum fps 73.0 maximum fps
Scene 03 49.6 average fps 15.0 minimum fps 108.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 43.1 fps


(c)2005 EGOSOFT
For more information http://www.egosoft.com

--------------------------
X3 - Reunion
--------------------------
Game version: 1.3.0.US


Graphic card name and driver used: NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GS Version [6.14.10.8390]


CPU name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz Family 7 Model 3

Video settings during benchmark:
Screen resolution: 1280 x 1024 * [32]
using shader profile: 3.0
Antialias Mode: 4x
Anisotropic Mode: 16x

Graphic & Shader settings
Texture quality: high
Shader quality: high
High quality bumpmaps: enabled
Environment map: enabled
Postprocessing: enabled
using 16bit vertex format: yes

Framerates
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scene 00 45.7 average fps 37.0 minimum fps 64.0 maximum fps
Scene 01 27.6 average fps 12.0 minimum fps 56.0 maximum fps
Scene 02 42.7 average fps 31.0 minimum fps 62.0 maximum fps
Scene 03 50.5 average fps 33.0 minimum fps 100.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 41.6 fps


(c)2005 EGOSOFT
For more information http://www.egosoft.com

motoman
03-20-06, 11:10 AM
I would buy a PCIe Socket 478 mobo and a new 7600GT. Cost nearly the same and it's faster.

Who makes a Socket 478 and PCIe motherboard? I've looked and haven't been able to find one. I've got a P4 3.2 ghz Northwood with a Asus P4P-800E Deluxe M/B and have a EVGA 7800GS OC. I've started the EVGA step-up process for the 7800GS to a 7900GT OC PCIe card and was going to get a AMD system but if I could keep the P4 and get a PCIe Socket 478 M/B I would sure give it a try.

Jim

Superfly
03-20-06, 11:18 AM
Sure, first post so go easy. :)

I do find it slightly difficult to believe that a 7600GT could be able to outpace a 7800GS once any antialiasing etc was enabled (just thinking about it purely from a theoretical pov), I guess it could come close at default for the synthetic benchmarks, but beyond that I really cannot see it. However I am willing to be proved wrong. ;)

OK hold on their dude, What I am trying to say is that at STOCK 375/1200 the 78GS costs 60% more than the 76GT and scores around 6000 in 05 - just under 3000 in 06.

For 20 LESS than the cost of the BFG 78GS that I returned I was able to get the SLi MoBo + 7600GT and @ stock I score 6400 in 05 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1887061 and 3200 in 06 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=190926.

I'll grab you some FEAR scores in a mo, dont have much else installed ( oh I could do the X3 demo I guess)

back soon.

Superfly
03-20-06, 11:27 AM
I think it may have been a tad higher (6300-6400?). I can't remember exactly though.

7000 is about stock 7800gt score-wise though right? Have you been able to overclock the 7600gt much?

yup 7000+ is right for a 7800GT

Tobiasboon
03-20-06, 11:29 AM
OK hold on their dude, What I am trying to say is that at STOCK 375/1200 the 78GS costs 60% more than the 76GT and scores around 6000 in 05 - just under 3000 in 06.
Well I dont run it at stock, if I did id have my X800XT PE in my main, thats faster at stock. ;)

Also default 3D Mark scores mean little since there is no antialiasing etc enabled which is where the 256bit memory interface would shine.

I guess you could compare the 7600GT XXX to one of the uber clocked 7800GS cards, im sure one weighs in at 490MHz core 1400MHz memory but I cant remember the model.

Superfly
03-20-06, 11:34 AM
Well I dont run it at stock

Well if you cant provide stock benchies then this little experiment is over.

all the score I linked you to were taken @ the NVIDIA stock clocks of 460/1400.

again im not trying to say a 7600GT is faster than an uber clocked 78GS, im trying to say its at least as fast as a stock clocked one though, plus its almost half the price.

anyway - enjoy your card.

ttfn.

Tobiasboon
03-20-06, 11:45 AM
Well if you cant provide stock benchies then this little experiment is over.
Well to be fair since im running on Intel and you're on A64 this "little experiment" as you call it never really began. ;)

The 7600GT is mighty fine though, a great replacement to the 6600GT imo, hits that price vs perfo curve perfectly, I will be the first to say the 7800GS is slightly over priced, but ultimately its pretty much the quickest AGP card out there atm (prolly ever tbh) and I guess there is a premium attached to that. However if you are basing performance off default 3D Mark scores then in theory a SLI 6600GT setup will easily outperform a 6800GT or Ultra, as we know in actual games once the settings are pumped thats not the case. Worth bearing in mind.

Superfly
03-20-06, 11:51 AM
Well to be fair since im running on Intel and you're on A64 this "little experiment" as you call it never really began. ;)

The 7600GT is mighty fine though, a great replacement to the 6600GT imo, hits that price vs perfo curve perfectly, I will be the first to say the 7800GS is slightly over priced, but ultimately its pretty much the quickest AGP card out there atm (prolly ever tbh) and I guess there is a premium attached to that. However if you are basing performance off default 3D Mark scores then in theory a SLI 6600GT setup will easily outperform a 6800GT or Ultra, as we know in actual games once the settings are pumped thats not the case. Worth bearing in mind.

Nah I base my performance on game settings, specifically FEAR & Q4 over the last few months, the gaymark series are a useful quick guide though - worth bearing in mind. ;)

Tobiasboon
03-20-06, 11:56 AM
Nah I base my performance on game settings, specifically FEAR & Q4 over the last few months, the gaymark series are a useful quick guide though - worth bearing in mind. ;)
Ah I get you, it *seems* faster in games, theres an endorsement to trust if ever I saw one. Fyi the 3D Mark series are currently a terrible guide to actual gaming performance with a number of results across the board that dont tie in to actual real world gaming performance - again, worth bearing in mind. ;)

EDIT: btw, did you change motherboards going from AGP to PCIe or take the Asrock dual route?

Superfly
03-20-06, 12:01 PM
Ah I get you, it *seems* faster in games, theres an endorsement to trust if ever I saw one. Fyi the 3D Mark series are currently a terrible guide to actual gaming performance with a number of results across the board that dont tie in to actual real world gaming performance - again, worth bearing in mind. ;)

urmm?? - were do I say seems?? "over the last few months" refers to how long those games have been available to use as a benchmark, thus providing actual in game figures, as for gaymark - I was taking the p*ss.

Superfly
03-20-06, 12:21 PM
OK - just finished the X3 demo:

--------------------------
X3 - Reunion
--------------------------
Game version: 1.3.0.US


Graphic card name and driver used: NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT Version [6.14.10.8421]


CPU name: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ Family 7 Model H

Video settings during benchmark:
Screen resolution: 1280 x 1024 * [32]
using shader profile: 3.0
Antialias Mode: 4x
Anisotropic Mode: 16x

Graphic & Shader settings
Texture quality: high
Shader quality: high
High quality bumpmaps: enabled
Environment map: enabled
Postprocessing: enabled
using 16bit vertex format: yes

Framerates
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scene 00 37.6 average fps 29.0 minimum fps 52.0 maximum fps
Scene 01 31.7 average fps 15.0 minimum fps 62.0 maximum fps
Scene 02 35.8 average fps 28.0 minimum fps 52.0 maximum fps
Scene 03 44.1 average fps 26.0 minimum fps 86.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 38.3 fps


(c)2005 EGOSOFT
For more information http://www.egosoft.com

thats darn close for a 128bit interface card running @ those AA & AF settings - I think you get the point.

motoman
03-20-06, 05:35 PM
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=12&l3=158&model=425&modelmenu=1

Thanks for the link. Looks like maybe it's not available here. Could not find one.

I'll just get a AMD/PCIe setup and be really fast :D

Jim