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Daneel Olivaw
03-24-06, 07:41 AM
For the same price, which would you buy? (PCIE of course)

coldpower27
03-24-06, 07:53 AM
7600 Gt

Daneel Olivaw
03-24-06, 11:35 AM
Why? Its memory bus is narrower (128bit vs 256bit) for example?
The memory fillrate is therefore quite lower (even if the clocks are higher).
Same number of pipelines,
though 7600GT are clocked slightly higher than 6800GS.

Is there a difference with the number of ALU's for example?

Are there reviews comparing the two?

Thanks!

shabby
03-24-06, 12:18 PM
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_7600_gt_performance/

7600gt ftw!

Dudes__Geof_
03-24-06, 06:25 PM
I'd take the 6800GS, partially because well .. I own one.

snowmanwithahat
03-24-06, 07:07 PM
have you even looked at the benchmarks??? if you haven't, don't come asking for our advise because it should be hands down the 7600 GT, it's superior in every benchmark i've seen in every game, despite the lower memory bus it still keeps up

RAY16
03-24-06, 07:22 PM
What about a stock 7600GT Vs an overclocked 6800GS, then?

shabby
03-24-06, 08:04 PM
What about a stock 7600GT Vs an overclocked 6800GS, then?

What about an overclocked 7600gt then?
Stock for stock the 7600gt wins, overclock both and the 7600gt will also win. Plus the 7600 is built on a smaller process so it should overclock better, end of story.

I'd take the 6800GS, partially because well .. I own one.

Thats like saying i would recommend the 7900gt then the 7900gtx because i own one... what are you two smoking?

Dudes__Geof_
03-24-06, 09:53 PM
Hrmm, well, if it's PCI-E which it is then the 7600GT, I have the 6800GS PCI-E and I'm quite fine with it.. and the 7600 locally is a bit more than the 6800GS. If it was, say... a 6800GS AGP against the 7600, not minding which bus they are on, then I would say the 6800GS AGP. I went from a Radeon 9200SE to a 6800GS and it's quite fine in my opinion. Yes, I did look at the reviews and realized what I said doesn't really work with the reviews. ;)

Mr_LoL
03-25-06, 04:20 AM
Thats like saying i would recommend the 7900gt then the 7900gtx because i own one... what are you two smoking?
QFT :lol:

Waltz King
03-25-06, 06:45 AM
What about AGP? If there will be cards for AGP with the 7600GT, and if the clock speeds on the AGP version will be the same - would you prefer this or the 7800GS?

Theoretically, the 7800GS is superior: 256 vs. 128 bits memory interface, 16 vs. 12 pipelines, 6 vs. 5 vertex shaders (I think). Even the higher clock speeds of the 7600GT shouldn't be enough to compensate this.

BUT: The 7600GT beats a 6800GT/GS in every single benchmark very clearly, as we can see here again. The 7800GS on the other hand is only slightly faster than the 6800GS (AGP).
There has been no direct benchmark competition between the two cards yet. But Anandtech reviewed both of them in two different reviews, using about the same test system (with slight differences, of course, since they had to use a PCI-E and a AGP system). They used the same benchmarks as well (1600x1200, 4xAA, BF2 and FEAR). You can see that the numbers are comparable when you look at the 7800GT scores - this card appears in both reviews, and the scores are in the same range. The same goes for some other cards (Radeon X1900XTX, GeForce 7800GTX 512; in the 7600GT review, you have to go to another page ("High end comparison")).
Well, the point is: the 7600GT scores are better than the 7800GS numbers (in FEAR more so than in BF2).

Here are these reviews I'm talking about:
7800GS, AGP, BF2, 1600x1200 (you have to scroll down a bit for the 4xAA scores):
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686&p=4
7600GT, PCI-E, BF2, 1600x1200 (scroll down for 4xAA again):
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2717&p=10

I know it's nothing more than speculation at this point, we will have to see if there will be 7600GT cards for AGP and how this chip stands against the 7800GS. But I'd be interested in your thoughts because I have to decide if I'll buy a 7800GS right now or if I should wait for a possible 7600GT AGP version which might be even cheaper. So what do you think?

shabby
03-25-06, 11:27 AM
Two totally different price points, the 7800gs still costs 300 bucks. While the 7600gt, assuming it comes to agp, will probably cost under 200 bucks.

While the 7600gt and 6800gs are in the same price point, with the 7600gt being even cheaper.

Waltz King
03-25-06, 12:52 PM
@shabby: Of course the 7600GT (for AGP) will be cheaper than the 7800GS. But the question is: will it be faster too?

superklye
03-25-06, 01:47 PM
Holy crap, that 7600GT looks AWESOME. I bet those in SLI would stop my 6800GTs...

Superfly
03-25-06, 02:12 PM
Why? Its memory bus is narrower (128bit vs 256bit) for example?
The memory fillrate is therefore quite lower (even if the clocks are higher).
Same number of pipelines,
though 7600GT are clocked slightly higher than 6800GS.

Is there a difference with the number of ALU's for example?

Are there reviews comparing the two?

Thanks!

seriously dude - I've had a 68GT (great card) and followed that with a 78GS (aweful card), I returned the 78GS becvuase it was only just faster than the old 68GT and cost too much.

I now have a 7600GT and an SLi MoBo (and the 7600GT destroys anything NV40 had to offer)!!! :D

This card = the nuts!!!!!

Superfly
03-25-06, 02:15 PM
Holy crap, that 7600GT looks AWESOME. I bet those in SLI would stop my 6800GTs...

Well my XXX edtion completely destroyed my old 68GT, so much so its quite difficult to come to terms with.

Superfly
03-25-06, 02:18 PM
What about an overclocked 7600gt then?
Stock for stock the 7600gt wins, overclock both and the 7600gt will also win. Plus the 7600 is built on a smaller process so it should overclock better, end of story.

Check my sig - the 90nm G73 O/C's like a god :D

snowmanwithahat
03-25-06, 05:10 PM
Two totally different price points, the 7800gs still costs 300 bucks. While the 7600gt, assuming it comes to agp, will probably cost under 200 bucks.

While the 7600gt and 6800gs are in the same price point, with the 7600gt being even cheaper.

why would they produce it for $200 when the 6800 GS is already filling that price-point, especially when the pci-e 7600 GT performs just as good as a 7800 GS...... it makes no sense, the AGP market is dead, and already filled with plenty of cards, the only thing not in the AGP market is the super high end, which will never be catered to anymore, i highly doubt the 7600 GT will come out for AGP

shabby
03-25-06, 05:14 PM
@shabby: Of course the 7600GT (for AGP) will be cheaper than the 7800GS. But the question is: will it be faster too?

No, the 7800gs(agp) spanks the 7600gt(pcie) as of today.

why would they produce it for $200 when the 6800 GS is already filling that price-point, especially when the pci-e 7600 GT performs just as good as a 7800 GS...... it makes no sense, the AGP market is dead, and already filled with plenty of cards, the only thing not in the AGP market is the super high end, which will never be catered to anymore, i highly doubt the 7600 GT will come out for AGP

Because the 7600gt uses the 6600gt pcb, so the pcb is cheaper and the smaller 7600gt core is also cheaper to make then the 6800 core... its all aboot the benjamins.

snowmanwithahat
03-25-06, 05:19 PM
what are you talking about, look at any picture, the 7600 GT's pcb is clearly different than a 6600 GT's pcb

how will this be cheaper anyway? if agp was cheaper to produce, wouldn't the 7800 GS cost less than a 7800 GT, which it doesn't, the point is, the price-points are filled, it's a waste of nvidia's time and money to cater to this dieing market, you can argue all you want that it's not dead, but it's on it's way out, that we can all agree on

btw, if you look at the benchmarks from AnandTech, the 7600 GT does clearly beat the 7800 GS in almost every benchmarks at the same resolution and AA level (i'm looking mainly at 1600x1200 4xAA) so even if they did produce a 7600 GT, it'd have to be slower for it to be worth their while, so they could fill a lower price-bracket, so maybe they could fill the 6800 GS's shoes, but to what extent, do you really think it'd be worth their time?

shabby
03-25-06, 07:09 PM
Im not arguing about the agp market, i moved out of it so i dont really care about it at all... note the pcie s478 mobo/7900gt in my sig.

Hmm i must of been looking at different graphs, but your right the 7600gt stands its ground quiet well against the 7800gs.
Would be kinda dumb for nvidia to make an agp 7600gt that would be faster and cheaper then the 7800gs, so they most likely wont.

snowmanwithahat
03-25-06, 08:58 PM
Im not arguing about the agp market, i moved out of it so i dont really care about it at all... note the pcie s478 mobo/7900gt in my sig.

Hmm i must of been looking at different graphs, but your right the 7600gt stands its ground quiet well against the 7800gs.
Would be kinda dumb for nvidia to make an agp 7600gt that would be faster and cheaper then the 7800gs, so they most likely wont.

yeh i agree, btw, that's a wicked combo for motherboard... i really want to look into getting that, looks pretty sweet

Peoples-Agent
03-25-06, 10:16 PM
My mum wins and you all suck, like Linux users.

Mr_LoL
03-25-06, 11:38 PM
My mum wins and you all suck, like Linux users.

I guess that settles it then.

Waltz King
03-26-06, 05:05 AM
I'm not an expert, but it has been said in many reviews that the 7600GT is pin compatible to the 6600GT so it would be very easy for manufacturers to bring 7600GT AGP cards to the market. Considering the enormous success of the 7800GS I'm quite sure it will happen sooner or later. Maybe the AGP market is dying, but it's dying very slowly, so there are still millions of AGP systems out there.