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Quickstar
03-30-06, 09:57 AM
Last night, I was watching the hitler channel (ie history channel) and sure enough, hitler was the main event. They talked about how hitler thought of the german people as "children" that needed his "protection" so he developed this fascist police state.


http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30659


Sound familiar?

I can't find the link, but I remember reading about Hillary wanting to spend $90 million investigating this crap. Here's an idea. Take that $90 million and help poor people who are prone to crime, or spend it educating parents on how to parent!

Quickstar
03-30-06, 10:03 AM
Found it!

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=8453

The original version of the bill allocated $90 million for the study, but as of yet no figure has been confirmed for the latest version. The intention of Lieberman at least, to judge by comments on his website, is to confirm a link between violent video games and behaviour in minors.

Athena
03-30-06, 10:54 AM
Reading thing like this make me wish we could over throw this crappy system we have and go back to the original freedoms the founding fathers intended for us to have!!! :mad:

jAkUp
03-30-06, 01:16 PM
I don't understand why games get so much attention, yet movies don't? Movies look a hell of a lot more realistic than games do.

Games let you act out stuff, but I've been playing violent video games for at least 12 years, and I never felt the desire to hurt anyone.

RAY16
03-30-06, 01:28 PM
I don't understand why games get so much attention, yet movies don't? Movies look a hell of a lot more realistic than games do.

Games let you act out stuff, but I've been playing violent video games for at least 12 years, and I never felt the desire to hurt anyone.

You mean seriously hurt someone, right? I find it hard to believe that you've gone through your life so far without coming across somebody that you wanted to punch in the face.

jAkUp
03-30-06, 01:37 PM
Well, sure everyone does, but you know what I mean. They seem to think that after playing video games we want to kill cops, rape hookers, and shoot up parking lots.

Son Goku
03-30-06, 02:50 PM
You mean seriously hurt someone, right? I find it hard to believe that you've gone through your life so far without coming across somebody that you wanted to punch in the face.

Ya know, and tbh? What one thing I've found to be true is that some of the people who are best able to fight, and really hurt someone are among those least likely to do so... My Tia Chi teacher, after 40 years or so studying the martial arts (30+ doing Tia Chi, a portion of that time but not exactly how long doing Liu Ho Pa Fa, which is considered so potentially violent that it's outlawed in even some of the more deadly tournaments out there), and some other hard styles before then; has only got into 2 fights in his entire life. And they only lasted a second or 2... In one of them, the guy was all psychotic or something, and he ended up hitting the guy in the tail bone. The person having to get the last word in was like "ow that hurts, don't you ever do it again", but his body shaking uncontrollably the entire time he walked away...

His sifu who's been doing it for over 60 years quite frankly avoids hitting people (outside of training his students) and really doesn't want to get into fights. Thing is, he could all too easily and quite inadvertently kill someone without even trying, and barely moving himself (to a visable degree) he's honed his skills so far... He was also the teaching assistant for Tung Ying Cheh, if that helps place him...

I also used to know this Vietmanese person in summer camp, and when people played Karate like they were Bruce Lee or something, he sat back and didn't say a word. Some were like "you gotta know martial arts, come on show us what you have", but he denied it. Until one day someone got him mad enough, and not only did he know it, but ended up hurting the person. He still denied knowing anything, but everyone was like "but we saw you..." He was however rather repentent, and acted as if he was quite ashamed with himself...

On the other hand, the people who don't know squat can be the one's to act like the bully. Really does give another bit of a perspective on this sorta thing...

Son Goku
03-30-06, 02:55 PM
Well, sure everyone does, but you know what I mean. They seem to think that after playing video games we want to kill cops, rape hookers, and shoot up parking lots.

It's the way some want to try to point fingers and find "the easy thing to blame" for the ills of society. Someone has a dysfunctional family or something, rather then take a look at the family dynamics, it's easier to blame TV, video games, or whatever else... Unfortunately there are those who do it all the time, such as the person who blamed McDonalds for serving them all em hamburgers when they got fat. Rather then take personal responsibility, it's much easier to the point the finger...

RAY16
03-30-06, 03:31 PM
It's the way some want to try to point fingers and find "the easy thing to blame" for the ills of society. Someone has a dysfunctional family or something, rather then take a look at the family dynamics, it's easier to blame TV, video games, or whatever else... Unfortunately there are those who do it all the time, such as the person who blamed McDonalds for serving them all em hamburgers when they got fat. Rather then take personal responsibility, it's much easier to the point the finger...

Exactly. People need to stop trying worrying about what TV, Movies, and Games are teaching kids and instead focus on what Parents aren't teaching kids.

Sazar
03-30-06, 03:42 PM
We were killing each other before games came out and we will still be killing each other if there were no games around.

You didn't need a movie or a video game for a world war to occur.

Most of the senators probably have no inkling of what a video game involves. They should spend several months "researching" all kinds of games and THEN perhaps they will have an inkling.

$n][pErMan
03-30-06, 04:51 PM
GG government... how about you stay out of how I relax and worry about REAL issues like crime and terrorism. Take away games and porn and you have no need for a computer at home :p

Son Goku
03-30-06, 07:42 PM
Exactly. People need to stop trying worrying about what TV, Movies, and Games are teaching kids and instead focus on what Parents aren't teaching kids.

Exactly, such as when parents argue in front of their kids, or try to get junior to pick a side when mommy and daddy can't get along... This itself can "teach kids" far more then a video game, and teach them by example. Same thing goes for cases of spousal abuse, which can have a far greater effect on a kids mind, if one wants to argue that then "oh but there's violence in the news".

Yes, I've even heard arguments when I was taking mass media studies a few years ago about the horrors of there being violence in the news, and that viewers of the news should be aware of such things :udawg: Umm, I have an idea; perhaps someone living in a war torn country where they can't walk outside their front door without seeing someone's head blown off could make a greater impact then shooting up some bots in Quake. And what would those parents tell their kids, "oh never mind, that's just real life" :rofl There are far more important things to worry about in this world then a video game, and terrorists who behead people for real is one of them... And to treat the hint of violence in the news as a worse afront then the fact that such things should actually take place in the world in the first place :lol2:

Son Goku
03-30-06, 07:50 PM
You didn't need a movie or a video game for a world war to occur.

Most of the senators probably have no inkling of what a video game involves. They should spend several months "researching" all kinds of games and THEN perhaps they will have an inkling.

Ya know? After Tai Chi class today, a bunch of us were having this conversation, and basically various weapon forms were what was being discussed. And in the mention of all this, I was thinking about all the Senators and what not who would blame all violence in society on the gun. The reasoning being, that if guns don't exist, they're be no violence.

However, far from true, just consider how many items can be used as a weapon. Forget obvious weapons like a sword, knife, spear, or stick; how about for instance in Tai Chi them having things like fan fighting forms. I'm serious, there's a form for taking one of those fans like they have in China that fold out, and using that as a weapon. Hell, they even have a flag form, though that was used more against projectile weapons such as Ninja stars the Japanese would use, and to capture them so one could launch their own offensive.

In the midst of this, I was remembering the thing from Chronicles of Riddick where he suggested death by tea cup... And the teacher was like "yeah, people in the special forces (aka military) can end up learning to use anything as a weapon"... Umm, regardless of what some activists might think, some people don't need a gun ;)

Quickstar
04-01-06, 09:48 AM
I like this theory: If we all carried guns, there'd be less crime. Who's going to rob, rape, or hit anyone knowing that he/she has a gun; and, everyone else around has a gun. The criminals that shoot people are carrying guns regardless. I live near LA and Long Beach and itís easier to get illegal firearms than it is to get legal guns. Arms dealers don't age discriminate, they don't do background checks, and there is no wait.

Back on subject. This is the main argument for Hillary: Video games desensitize the young. I believe they got this theory from school shooters. Instead of shooting someone in the face and being amazed at what just happened (face exploding) they'd just move on and execute the next. First off, I don't know many games that possess that kind of realism. Soldier of Fortune is the only one I can think of. Secondly, they always blame popular games that have bad graphics (GTA isn't the best looking game, but I hope the next GTA destroys my argument). I don't have a problem with games desensitize people. There is proof they do. They use video games to prepare soldiers for war so that when they get that first kill, they can move on. That's not the problem. The problem is teaching kids right and wrong.

Peoples-Agent
04-01-06, 10:00 AM
Well, sure everyone does, but you know what I mean. They seem to think that after playing video games we want to kill cops, rape hookers, and shoot up parking lots.

I wanted to do that list plus alot more, until I discovered computer games.