Who holds the performance crown?

[Kruno]

Vote according to your opinions please. :)

[jAkUp]

i can only imagine whos gonna win this poll:rolleyes: but as of right now. ati does

[5150 Joker]

Originally posted by jAkUp
i can only imagine whos gonna win this poll:rolleyes: but as of right now. ati does

So jAkUp, did you manage to remove that big nvidia sticker off your computer? :)

[jAkUp]

lol im still working on it ;)

[volt]

Originally posted by jAkUp
lol im still working on it ;)

LOL what sticker? :afro:

[jAkUp]

i dunno why i ever put that big ass nvidia sticker on the side of my case......

[noko]

With max IQ settings . . . ATI wins. Nvidia you can do better then this.

[digitalwanderer]

LIGHTER FLUID! It'll make short work of it!

BTW-Did anyone ever expect to see ATI ahead in a performance poll here? Let alone a 13-0 vote so far? :hmm:

[noko]

The Nvidia gang or fans expects more from Nvidia then what was presented, thus letting Nvidia know to get to work hard and fast. Drivers can make a big difference which Nvidia has proven time and again. In a few days I expect the Nvidian's to start pulling together once again. The cards havn't been released yet to the crowd of Nvidian's not afraid to push things to the max and winning the battle in the end.

The weakness of the series also shows a solution. Running hot you say, 140F. MAN that is alot of room to cool down. Once cool down to something resonable what is the real potential???

We will only know once the cards are in the hands of masters.

[uNdErNiNe]

there about even as far as performance, and geforce fx has more features that will not be used for another two years... but overall ati has the cheaper price and same performance so im going to go with ATi.

[noko]

That is what I believed and went that way. Still I see some very strong potential in the GF FX which I hope some people will explore.

[sebazve]

lol ATI is kicking some butt:p

:D

[Kruno]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
LIGHTER FLUID! It'll make short work of it!

BTW-Did anyone ever expect to see ATI ahead in a performance poll here? Let alone a 13-0 vote so far? :hmm:

From a technical standpoint I expected the R300 to win under bandwidth stressfull conditions. I am many others were expecting the same. :)

[Filburt]

I remove almost everything with Fast Orange.

[Demiex]

For now, im putting my money on ATI, but as for the longevity of the card, i feel GFFX wins tha match

Demiex

Oh yah, that is IF the vacuum cleaner gets a makeover

[Filburt]

Longevity of the card? 9700 hands down. The GFFX's weak memory bandwidth will send it into the ground on future games which will invariably be highly bandwidth intensive.

[Demiex]

Well when all of the shader tech shizzat turns 2.0+ on us, prob no longer than a year down the road, GFFX has that technology already built in, and from what i've heard Radeon 9700 pro doesn't. Games are goin to go crazy with this shader tech. For that reason alone i think GFFX has longer lifespan. I personally rather have all my characters/scenery on the screen perfectly shaded than have max AA and AF turned on, makes sense to me.

The quality and implementations of shader instructions are going to be the next big bottleneck for hardware, not bandwidth and i don't care which forum junkie bashes this statement, im going to believe people with BS in comp electronics and Articles from professional magizines over peeps i don't know any day. Please don't rip apart this statement unless u're professionally educated in either computer electronics or computer science etc. or else its just in one ear and out the other.

Demiex

[Filburt]

Originally posted by Demiex
Well when all of the shader tech shizzat turns 2.0+ on us, prob no longer than a year down the road, GFFX has that technology already built in, and from what i've heard Radeon 9700 pro doesn't. Games are goin to go crazy with this shader tech. For that reason alone i think GFFX has longer lifespan. I personally rather have all my characters/scenery on the screen perfectly shaded than have max AA and AF turned on, makes sense to me.

The quality and implementations of shader instructions are going to be the next big bottleneck for hardware, not bandwidth and i don't care which forum junkie bashes this statement, im going to believe people with BS in comp electronics and Articles from professional magizines over peeps i don't know any day. Please don't rip apart this statement unless u're professionally educated in either computer electronics or computer science etc. or else its just in one ear and out the other.

Demiex

The GeforceFX has a relatively weak Vertex Shading unit...and the pixel shading unit isn't tremendously faster than that of the 9700. By the time the sorts of applications that would use anything approaching nVidia's 2.0+ standard actually come into existence...the card won't be nearly powerful to run them. The R400 and up will be the cards that will actually be designed to *run* the applications utilizing such high level routines.

You can blow off my statement if you wish...but you're simply in denial at this point, then. I *work* in the tech industry...and have worked in the graphics industry for more than one company. So you could say...I'm trained *by* professionals maybe?

[Demiex]

point made :)

Im mostly just trying to tear apart the GFFX's features to get some more info, and most of all find out which product i should spend my 400$ on. I just don't want someones who "thinks" they know what they're talking about, but are really just spouting the big words they've learned following the nv30's hype a few months ago. Its not denial, its just being thorough, i've decided this morning that if nvidia doesn't pull a magic trick out of their arse, that im waiting for the r350 and blam, am done for 2 years. Just making sure there isn't a good reason out there to purchase this card for the long term.

Demiex


Oh yah, this statement
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The quality and implementations of shader instructions are going to be the next big bottleneck for hardware, not bandwidth and i don't care which forum junkie bashes this statement, im going to believe people with BS in comp electronics and Articles from professional magizines over peeps i don't know any day. Please don't rip apart this statement unless u're professionally educated in either computer electronics or computer science etc. or else its just in one ear and out the other.
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was only relative to the bottleneck statement, not the longevity of the card, that i felt was just an opinion

[Demiex]

Interesting, though, how in CodeCreatures Benchmarks the GFFX outperforms the 9700 pro by about 2x. Any comments??

Demiex

[Harnagel]

One test the FX actually IS good at is the high polygon with 8 lights test (it doubled the R300). This might come into effect with games like Doom3 which should suposedly have lots of polygons and lots of lighting effects. Just a note and a small one at that. I voted for the Radeon as holding the overall peformance crown. Here's to hoping for a better future...:alc:

[Demiex]

cheeeers :alc:

[Filburt]

I've been under the impression that CodeCreatures is a benchmark nVidia pays a lot of attention to in optimizing drivers. The benchmark itself has always seemed extremely nVidia-centric to me...but granted I don't have a whole lot of experience with it. It's just...it was to a degree that up until recently (because I never bothered to look)...I thought the benchmark was either made by nVidia or sanctioned by them.

As far as what I think about it? Given the above...I wasn't exactly surprised by the performance *shrug*. Again, however, it would seem CodeCreatures is a benchmark that unfortunately doesn't reflect the gaming performance one will actually receive. It also seems like, to me, either nVidia gears themselves towards the benchmark...or the benchmark gears itself towards nVidia. I'm not trying to take a stab at the NV30 or Codecult...it's simply a curious phenomena.

I think your comment about vertex and pixel shader routines being the next big bottleneck (though I still think memory is until we hit deferred rendering) is really quite a good point, actually. It would seem that is where we are headed in development of games and likely many other applications.

If you want my personal reccomendation, I'd get the R350 if you're planning on a new card soon. If you aren't...wait for the R400 (or NV40 if you wish) as that will be the hardware that really is designed to crank through the high level vertex and pixel shading routines of the future.

As for the complex lighting in 3dmark...this is a product of the 500mhz clock of the NV30 vs. the 325mhz clock of the R300. Sadly, it seems...this rather striking advantage doesn't materialize in the T&L of actual games.

On a side note, I buy a new video card about once every 2 years or so...so I can sympathize entirely.

[Demiex]

so unless nv35 has a trick up itsleeve, im shootin for the r350. I have a geforce 3 ti 200 in my comp right now, need a upgrade to start playing unreal II/planetside/new MMORPGS being released and R400 is lookin about Aug/sept to release. If i keep waiting, i'll end up never buying a vid card at all ;)

Demiex

[Filburt]

Originally posted by Demiex
If i keep waiting, i'll end up never buying a vid card at all ;)

Demiex

I have the same problem. I'm just so patient, though, that I never seem to get bothered by it.