I don't get it

[Chalnoth]

From here (http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article2.asp?datePublish=2003/01/27&pages=02&seq=12):

In line with AMD’s original timetable, VIA Technologies, Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) and ALi Corporation (formerly Acer Laboratories) finished developing their K8-based chipsets last year. Now, with shipments of K8 processors to hit the market in the second quarter, the companies are ready to launch marketing campaigns for the chipsets.

And, at the bottom of the page:
Nvidia unveils K8-supporting single chip (Nov 22) (http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article2.asp?datePublish=2002/11/22&pages=08&seq=41)
(It's a member-only article, sorry)

With nVidia having announced their K8 chipset some time ago, why has it not been mentioned recently? It seemed that nVidia was showing off their chipsets right alongside the other manufacturers the last time AMD showed off the Hammer. Will the nForce64 (or whatever it's called) not be ready at launch?

[The Baron]

With nVidia having announced their K8 chipset some time ago, why has it not been mentioned recently? It seemed that nVidia was showing off their chipsets right alongside the other manufacturers the last time AMD showed off the Hammer. Will the nForce64 (or whatever it's called) not be ready at launch?

Probably. CrushK8 is ready, last I heard, except for bug-testing and such.

They're probably waiting to unveil it until the Athlon64 is launched.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by The Baron
Probably. CrushK8 is ready, last I heard, except for bug-testing and such.

They're probably waiting to unveil it until the Athlon64 is launched.
i hope so. AFAIC nforce2 came out right when it mattered, when the first AthlonXPs with 333FSB were out. i can only speculate that we'll see the CrushK8 when Hammers arrive.

[pelly]

They don't want to push their K8 platform as it would cannibalize nForce2 sales...

;)

[Cotita]

very unlikely, the socket A processors still have long life left.

Even if the Athlon64 came out today, not everyone would be jumping in that bandwagon.

As with every new processor, most people will take a wait and see approach. And still it will take quite a while for the athlon64 to become mainstream.

[The Baron]

Even if the Athlon64 came out today, not everyone would be jumping in that bandwagon.If it was good, yes, they would.

I've decided to skip Barton and wait for Hammer, and I think there are a lot of people who feel that way.

And good to see you, Pelly, you don't show up enough. :p

[Chalnoth]

Even if the Athlon64 came out today, not everyone would be jumping in that bandwagon.
If it was good, yes, they would.
No, that's not true. Remember, for quite a long time, the Athlon was quite a bit faster than the Pentium4, and far cheaper. And yet, AMD's market share still isn't very good. In fact, it looks like it dropped significantly (even before they lost the high-end performance crown).

It will take a very long time and some much better motherboard chipsets than we've seen in the past for AMD to gain significant marketshare with the Athlon64.

Incidentally, I think that there is a very similar situation in the video card market right now. That is, I feel that for the same reasons Intel had a very long time to recover from AMD's Athlon, I think that nVidia has quite a while to recover from their current mistakes with the FX (being late wasn't a mistake...putting the massive cooler on was, and so was not making apparently any FSAA improvements).

[The Baron]

No, that's not true. Remember, for quite a long time, the Athlon was quite a bit faster than the Pentium4, and far cheaper. And yet, AMD's market share still isn't very good. In fact, it looks like it dropped significantly (even before they lost the high-end performance crown).I meant instead of Barton, not P4 :p

[Chalnoth]

Originally posted by The Baron
I meant instead of Barton, not P4 :p
Oh, well that will just depend on price and volume. Currently it really looks like the Athlon64 will be quite expensive and low-volume for a while yet.

[The Baron]

Yeah, but if there's a good high-quality chipset that is upgradeable versus a high-quality chipset that will not be upgradeable after a few months... you make the call.

[Chalnoth]

Originally posted by The Baron
Yeah, but if there's a good high-quality chipset that is upgradeable versus a high-quality chipset that will not be upgradeable after a few months... you make the call.
The main marketshare in these markets is always due to OEM sales. While I don't doubt that the Athlon64 will be highly saught-after in the retail enthusiast market, that doesn't say anything about how well it will do in the OEM market. I don't think upgradability will have much influence in the OEM market.