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Lfctony
04-08-06, 05:29 AM
Ok, if you have a problem with an Nvidia card, you post in Nvnews. If you have a problem with an ATI card where would you post? At R3D. Well I did:
When I got Tomb Raider Legend, I noticed the game suffered from blocky shadows when in Next Gen mode. I've confirmed that Nvidia cards do not suffer from the same problem. Here's what I mean...
ATI:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5828/trshadows5hx.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trshadows5hx.jpg)
Nvidia:
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/6759/trlnv4pd.th.jpg (http://img445.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trlnv4pd.jpg)
Now if this is indeed a bug, I hope it's fixed. But I have seen similar blocky shadows in games like BFME2 and NFSMW. I'm sure there will be more in the future. Right now, I'm very disappointed with ATI...
Tony.
And here is the response of a moderator by the name of Spyre...
Not a display driver bug
Closed.
Spyre, you are a moron. ATI don't need people like you. If it's not a driver bug it's a hardware bug. Thank you for pointing it out. I will return to Nvidia.
Tony.
agentkay
04-08-06, 05:57 AM
lol @ that R3D mod. I guess you are not allowed to mention Nvidia and ATI in the same post. :rofl
SigmaOrionis
04-08-06, 06:33 AM
They must be getting a little touchy over the blocky shadows thing. The ATI cards were also having problems with the shadows in BF2. Not sure if its fixed now.
I've been going to that site less and less. Its becoming freaking pop up hell.
nutcrackr
04-08-06, 06:35 AM
Mods are much more friendly here (nana2)
If it's not a driver bug it's a hardware bug.
Other option; It could be that the developer uses different shadow technique's/paths for Ati/Nvidia.
Expressing your opinion of another site is fine. However, everyone please keep this thread above the blatant slamming and old lady b!tch fests about another site that some other sites seem to love and support. We're not into that lame kind of behavior here. There are plenty of good people of at Rage3D. Isolated incidences can be misunderstood, etc, just keep that in mind. Thanks. :cool:
Lfctony
04-08-06, 07:57 AM
Well, I don't have anything against R3D. However some people I just can't understand. If that wasn't a driver bug, that certain person could have pointed me to a discussion about it or given me a clue as to why it's not a driver bug. Instead, the thread was locked and I still don't know WTF is wrong with the shadows. That feels very wrong in my book.
And Clay, I wasn't expressing my opinion about R3D. R3D as a site is fine. That mod though... How is he helping anyone with his response? I don't know...
Tony.
I found the reason for the blocky shadows... http://rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1334276913&postcount=3 ;)
PeterJensen
04-08-06, 10:12 AM
Well i dont got a user @ R3D but what i notice is that the "fanboy" user base i larger over there. They really got some hardcore fanboys.
Vapor Trail
04-08-06, 10:14 AM
I found the reason for the blocky shadows... http://rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1334276913&postcount=3 ;)
This is why I'm still in the green camp. ATI may have slightly better AF IQ or slightly more FPS but I can't stand bugs like this. It never fails that my green cards don't have the same little rendering problems that I got with my red cards in a few of my favorite games.
I really don't care why either. ATI needs to improve their developer relations to keep this kind of thing from happening.
Hopefully Dx10 will force developers to program all the same and fix alot of this stuff.
I found the reason for the blocky shadows... http://rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1334276913&postcount=3 ;)
Heh, not sure that one is evilchris sig-worthy but give it a few days and I'm sure he'll provide some better quotes. :)
Well, I don't have anything against R3D. However some people I just can't understand. If that wasn't a driver bug, that certain person could have pointed me to a discussion about it or given me a clue as to why it's not a driver bug. Instead, the thread was locked and I still don't know WTF is wrong with the shadows. That feels very wrong in my book.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I try to handle everything here. The response might not be as great since we don't have as many ATI users but at least we're able to discuss the issues.
Lfctony
04-08-06, 11:27 AM
I'm going back to Nvidia as soon as the 7900GTXs drop in price. I just hope I can sell my X1800XT at a reasonable price.
Well, I don't have anything against R3D. However some people I just can't understand. If that wasn't a driver bug, that certain person could have pointed me to a discussion about it or given me a clue as to why it's not a driver bug. Instead, the thread was locked and I still don't know WTF is wrong with the shadows. That feels very wrong in my book.
And Clay, I wasn't expressing my opinion about R3D. R3D as a site is fine. That mod though... How is he helping anyone with his response? I don't know...
Tony.I completely agree with you, my post wasn't directed at anyone in particular (especially not you). I just wanted to set the tone for others that we're not about bashing other sites just for the sake of bashing. You're not doing this at all (though your thread title is a bit harsh). ;)
If people want to do that there are some gutter sites they can go to that thrive on that sort of thing. :)
How was the moderator at R3D so positive it is not a driver bug? Thats what I don't understand.
How was the moderator at R3D so positive it is not a driver bug? Thats what I don't understand.Good question. I've always laughed at the ignorance and gross presumptions made by some people that the staff/mods here are somehow in NVIDIA's pocket. That notion is total B.S. The only time I'm ever in contact with NVIDIA is prior to a product launch and that's no different than any other site (other than some sites getting FAR more advance notice, reference samples, etc). Anyway, that really has nothing to do with your question but it is a good one. :)
Because the shadows are less blocky on Nvidia cards due to their use of Nvidia specific shadow buffer which rounds out shadows. Hence its not a driver bug.
I'm done with this lame thread now. Bye.
This is why I'm still in the green camp. ATI may have slightly better AF IQ or slightly more FPS but I can't stand bugs like this.
What about Farcry? Yes, it's an old game but till today Nvidia shows blocky
shadows while Ati's are smooth. 3DMark05? Various articles on the net showed the more
jaggy shadows on Nvidia cards due to DST.
I just want to say that Nvidia isn't always perfect in this department, just like Ati.
People at Rage3D are idiots and die hard fanATIcs (sorry if i insulted anyone who's normal but then ask the other majority why is so). You'll get better help for ATi card here at NVNews or Driver Heaven before you'll get it there.
As soon as you say something over their beloved Radeons they start acting like they're gods or something. I was so pissed that i sent them all where sun doesn't shines often. And they banned me. Good, coz i have no intention to chat with ppl that have IQ of retarded amoeba...
I mean i can chat and compare Radeons with GeForces here at NVNews and no one will ever bother me if i say that Radeons have something better than GeForce cards. Try do the opposite at R3D lol. Belive me, you don't want to...
Btw, same blocky junk of shadows was in NFS:MW (i've seen it on my former Radeon 9600 Pro). 6600GT looks perfect.
agentkay
04-08-06, 02:01 PM
What about Farcry? Yes, it's an old game but till today Nvidia shows blocky
shadows while Ati's are smooth. 3DMark05? Various articles on the net showed the more
jaggy shadows on Nvidia cards due to DST.
I just want to say that Nvidia isn't always perfect in this department, just like Ati.
You can disable DST thru a console command.
Well i think this thread should be closed, to much flaming that is going nowhere.
But that is only my thought....;)
Not really, people should be warned.
Lfctony
04-08-06, 02:23 PM
Because the shadows are less blocky on Nvidia cards due to their use of Nvidia specific shadow buffer which rounds out shadows. Hence its not a driver bug.
I'm done with this lame thread now. Bye.
You could have at least explained this in your post at R3D. At least here ATI users are treated properly. And it's an Nvidia fansite... Go figure...
You can disable DST thru a console command.
I think that this wasn't known in the time that 3DM05 was "hot". You did need the Pro version to turn off DST.
oldsk00l
04-08-06, 04:34 PM
Because the shadows are less blocky on Nvidia cards due to their use of Nvidia specific shadow buffer which rounds out shadows. Hence its not a driver bug.
I'm done with this lame thread now. Bye.
Might have been nice if you could say that in the thread you closed instead of the totalitarian approach....
Shadow Buffers have nothing to do with that :rolleyes:
Entire shadows are blocky not just the edges. Thats a big difference.
Not to mention x1900 series have similar capabilities as NV's Shadow Buffers regarding shadows processing.
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