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anthonyl
04-16-06, 07:25 PM
I have to sell my X1900XTX (short term money problem) and at the end of the week I am able to buy another card for around the AUD $ 1000.00 mark.

I have had the X1900XTX for a little while now and am not too happy with the Catalyst control panel and having to use .Net bloatware.

Would I be happy with a 7900GTX after having had an X1900XTX?

I play mainly BF2 / Live for speed / F1 Challenge / Lock on etc etc.

Thanks for any advise.

I am thinking of getting this one (XFX GeForce 7900GTX OC 512meg DDR3 Dual DVI VIVO PCI-E(675Mhz)Xtreme)...but I am reading about lock ups with the overclocked ones...should I get it or not?

HeavyH20
04-16-06, 08:48 PM
I just sold my X1900XTX to go the 7900 GTX route. Mostly for SLI. The cards are neck and neck, aside from FEAR and Oblivion. But, I suspect that newer driver releases will address any short falls on either side.

NrG
04-16-06, 09:10 PM
Cpl in melbourne has the XXX edition of teh 7900GTX (XFX) for $990 on sale. Awesome deal! The clocks on that are like 700/1800.

eva2000
04-16-06, 09:33 PM
TOX plays BF2 mainly and he said X1900XT is better than his 7900GTX he's tried ... maybe ask TOX

keith33
04-16-06, 11:34 PM
I just went to a LAN party and ironically sat next to a guy with an X1900XTX (Sapphire version). We basically had the same eye candy on, but two noticable differences, first his image quality was slightly more vibrant, but also the movement was much much smoother on my monitor. It seemed as though he had little stutters intermittenly while my card chugged on with fluidity. He had a 3500+ Venice @ 2.4Ghz FYI. Anyways, I'd always take better "flow" over slightly better image quality, but that's a personal preference. Hopefully it helped.

sandeep
04-17-06, 02:40 AM
Keep X1900XTX, they perform better than SLI cards combined in low fps areas- well in Oblivion atleast.

eva2000
04-17-06, 03:01 AM
could it be nvidia sli profile for oblivion isn't mature enough ?? (driver issue)

FraGTastiK
04-17-06, 03:06 AM
Keep X1900XTX, they perform better than SLI cards combined in low fps areas- well in Oblivion atleast.

Dont listen to his BS.

WTF? Do you have an agenda or something? Quit spreading vague bull ***** just because in one scene YOU found X1900512 better than 2x7800256s. If little things count then X1900 also has rendering errors in Oblivion
(texture flickers and grass rendering errors with chuck patch)and its a powerhog/eardrum piercer that runs as high as 92C temp.

sandeep
04-17-06, 03:07 AM
could it be nvidia sli profile for oblivion isn't mature enough ?? (driver issue)
I tried two different driver sets. And SLI is clearly working. SLI is giving twice the fps at those areas though still less than a single 1900XTX. And single nVidia card is almost a gone case :o :o

Eva, in this forum I have shown that SLI is working:http://forums.tweakguides.com/showthread.php?t=2597

sandeep
04-17-06, 03:09 AM
Dont listen to his BS.

WTF? Do you have an agenda or something? Quit spreading vague bull ***** just because in one scene YOU found X1900512 better than 2x7800256s. If little things count then X1900 also has rendering errors in Oblivion
(texture flickers and grass rendering errors with chuck patch)and its a powerhog/eardrum piercer that runs as high as 92C temp.
One scene?

Reality bites.Anyway....
Here is one more:
SLI 78000GTX=47fps,single X1900XTX=55fps respectively
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/7127/oblivion20060416175359769xq.th.jpg (http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oblivion20060416175359769xq.jpg)http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3103/sandeep56cb.th.jpg (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sandeep56cb.jpg)

Do you want MORE???:o

sandeep
04-17-06, 03:11 AM
Maybe few more??

Source of initial discussion:http://forums.tweakguides.com/showthread.php?t=2597&page=3

Ok I went home earlier :)

The AA in Oblivion is amazing. I hope the screens do some justice to it. I tried mainly 4x, since at 2x u could still see a bit of jaggies here and there and the performance hit going from 4x to 2x was little anyway.
From what I've seen in TestFPS3:
no AA / no AF : 32fps
2x AA / no AF : 30fps
4x AA / no AF : 27fps
no AA / 4x AF : 28fps (with my 7800GTX I got 14fps)
no AA / 16x AF : 28fps
no AA /16x HQ AF : 26fps
2x AA / 16x AF : 26fps
4x AA / 16x AF : 24fps
4x AA / 16x HQ AF : 23fps

I've read that going from no AA / no AF to 4x AA / 16x HQ AF there was no loss in fps. Well that's a lie. There is quite a loss if u ask me going from none to that extreme.

Here some screens. Keep in mind this : I use grass point lightining, with a torch in hand, and no tree clones allowed. So usually the fps here are close to the minimum I could get (most of the time u can't fight with a torch in the hand after all). Meaning anything close to 25 means almost 30 minimum everywhere else.

My old 7800Gtx in some tests. The fps in TestFPS3 are wrong. AF was off, and I made some mistaked with the images. Anyway it was 14fps.
Settings where no AA / 4x AF with some optimizations turned on

http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/TestFPS1_7800GTX_s.jpg (http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/TestFPS1_7800GTX.jpg)
http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/TestFPS2_7800GTX_s.jpg (http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/TestFPS2_7800GTX.jpg)
http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/TestFPS3_7800GTX_s.jpg (http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/TestFPS3_7800GTX.jpg)

Same place but X1900XTX
4x AA / 16 HQ AF
http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/TestFPS1_X1900XTX_s.jpg (http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/TestFPS1_X1900XTX.jpg)
http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/TestFPS2_X1900XTX_s.jpg (http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/TestFPS2_X1900XTX.jpg)
http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/TestFPS3_X1900XTX_s.jpg (http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/TestFPS3_X1900XTX.jpg)

And some screens where AA is pretty cool
http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/RadeonAA1_s.jpg (http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/RadeonAA1.jpg)
http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/RadeonAA2_s.jpg (http://nlb.game-host.org/vdu/RadeonAA2.jpg)

All in all, I'm really happy about the new card since now it's really enjoyable at these level of detail. I didn't even had to mess around with the flip queue thing since the game felt smooth anyway while with the 7800GTX I had to. Keep in mind that in a direct comparison (meaning no AA / 4x AF) the X1900XTX usually was getting double the fps of my 7800Gtx

A weird thing : overlocking my 7800GTX made a nice difference in some test, instead with the radeon it almost doesn't make a difference. All the screens are taken with standard clocked cards.

Hope it helps for u guys who don't know yet what to do.
For me the AA is really worth the extra added noise.

pkirby11
04-17-06, 03:27 AM
Well, I ultimatley think the decision is your's to make. I would recomend that you post this topic on equal sites, I see the NVIDIA side of course trashing for the most part the x1900XTX and I see ATI saying the same about a 7900GTX. Now I've never owned a 7900GTX, I have how ever owned NVIDIA most of my gaming days and I can say it's a tough call.

Right now, I'm running two x1900's in Cross Fire and I have to say I'm pleasently surprised at the performance of these cards. Even when playing games that don't fully support Cross Fire their amazing. I've not seen any stuttering, missing textures, or expeirenced any problems so far. To be honest I think it all depends on how you run your system. Problems most people claim to have, I never run into. It also has to do with what type of games you play. But I for one have found the performance and IQ to be far more enjoyable on my x1900's then on my 7800GTX's.

That being siad, Catalyst is quite bloated. I for one have not run into many issues, again that could be just me and the way I handle my system. But NVIDIA had it's fair share of driver issues also. It's just a fact with so many new games and features that the drivers will never be were you want them to be. As for the poster that states their powerhogs, true compared to NVIDIA but not so much that you'll really care if your PSU is good. As for temps, never got any hotter than 75c in my case but the noise was definetaly bad. Far worse than any NVIDIA card I've owned so far. Granted that wasn't much of problem for me because I just water cooled my case so it's quite tolerable now.

So which card should you get and stick with, don't know really. Both companies have their strength and weaknesses, I for one have become partial to ATI. Don't know why, but I've never been this impressed with a graphics card upgrade. World of Warcraft runs so much smoother than before, so does Oblivion. NVIDIA has always been a good company and I was also pleased with certain aspects of NVIDIA cards.

If you asked me, my vote would go to ATI and the x1900XTX. Great cards with ever improving drivers. In fact the 6.4 Cats are quite improved over 6.3 and I would imagine and hope it can only get better.

agentkay
04-17-06, 07:49 AM
Get the GTX to experience the difference FIRST HAND. If you donīt like it, you can always sell it and get the XTX.

scott123
04-17-06, 09:16 AM
I came from a 7800GTX to a X1900XTX. It wasn't really by choice; Nvidia's engineers screwed up, with their 7900GTX cooler and it doesn't fit in all popular motherboards. I had one on order, but as you see, it didn't work out.

My grade on the 1900XTX is an A-. The card is very fast, the image quality is overblown, and CCC is a bloated mess. Overall I really like the card, and if I already had one I would not waste my money getting a 7900GTX.

Knot3D
04-17-06, 10:09 AM
Tough choice indeed. I had 6800GT before the 1900XTX. Love both cards.

The 7900GTX's transparancy supersampling is a very sweet feature though.

BioHazZarD
04-17-06, 10:53 AM
i would never change from ati to nvidia now.

SH64
04-17-06, 04:28 PM
I'd say stick with the XTX unless you plan SLI.

Buenamos
04-17-06, 04:34 PM
I'll trade ya my 7800gtx's 256mb for ur 1900xtx ;)

shoes
04-19-06, 09:38 AM
I finally added another X1900XTX to my crossfire board and it's quite stunning actually, and i needed it because i just went (finally) with an WS LCD. Noise was a factor but i pulled the heatsinks off of both cards - lapped the HS (temps down 6c on both cards) and re-attached, and got a sonata case and added a bit of material (dynamat).