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Bondy
04-23-06, 05:21 AM
Hey guys im new here. I'm thinking of getting a new Geforce 7800 as am I really happy with my gigabyte motherboard and I dont really want to switch over to PCI-E yet.

My current PC specs are.

2.0GHZ Intel Pentium 4
768MB RAM
160 Maxtor SATA HDD
Nvidia Geforce FX 5600XT

I really want to improve the framerate on most of my games since im only getting like 20FPS on WoW and CS soruce. Im hoping to double that with this upgrade. Will it work?

Regards

The Boss66
04-23-06, 05:47 AM
It should give you the increase you're looking for, i have an EVGA 7800gs Superclocked and i like it. It needs a good power supply, i am using an OCZ Modstream 520watt and the most important part 28A on the 12v rail.

Bondy
04-23-06, 06:00 AM
Ok thanks Im glad to hear it. My motherboard also supports duel channel RAM so i might get some hyperX.

chriscu1
04-23-06, 06:21 AM
I am in a very similar boat. P4 2.6 (older gen, 400MHz), 1GB, and 6800 vanilla 128MB. While this setup gets me by in some games, the newest ones just choke a little too much. I've been curious if the cpu has just enough oomph combined with the 7800GS to stall an upgrade for at least a year or so.

The Boss66
04-23-06, 06:23 AM
YTou guys might want to try a little bit of an overclock on you're cpu's if that is possible.

Bondy
04-23-06, 06:30 AM
I could do. I can play alot of new games such as the new Source Engine with Half-life 2 at a nice pace. I just have to have alll graphial settings set down alot apart from the Resolution. On WoW I have to have the res down to get a decent FPS. Thats why I want to get the 7800GS.
Can my motherboard handle it? Its a new Gigabyte branded mainboard. I dont know the exact serial number but it supports AGP 8x, SATA HDD, Duel Channel RAM. I bought it a few months ago. Its quite nice And it has the Lime green AGP socket. I have a 450W Power supply also.

Bondy
04-23-06, 07:05 AM
Out of the difference 7800GS version which Is the best? (Performance wise) At the moment im looking at the XFX release as the best.

The Boss66
04-23-06, 07:11 AM
Is you're motherboard the Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 G? If so i have the exact board with the lime green agp slot. I like it and it works good with my EVGA 7800gs Superclocked. EVGA boards a good and their customer service is excellent.

Bondy
04-23-06, 08:01 AM
Yeh I think I have the same as yours. Or very similar.

Bondy
04-23-06, 08:07 AM
Where would you say is the best place to get one? Ebuyer had some but I checked and they dont have any of the XFX ones. What good UK shops could you recommend?

shabby
04-23-06, 08:43 AM
I wouldnt spend that much money on a video card, the 7800gs is worth more then your whole box. I'd get a 6800gt/ultra from ebay instead.
The 5600xt is a terrible card, so even a 6800 will make a huge improvement while not costing an arm and a leg like the crippled 7800gs.

Bondy
04-23-06, 09:25 AM
yeh I really hate my 5600XT can any one tell me why its so **** lol Or are all the FX series cards crap?

keith33
04-23-06, 09:33 AM
All the FX cards are crap. If I were you, I'd save up for a Venice 3000+, $90 mobo, then put in a nice PCIe card like a 7800 GT or a 7900 GT that will last you for awhile (~$280). Overall it'll come to about $50 more than a top of the line 7800 GS. But if you do end up buying the GS for some reason, get it from Newegg.com and get the eVGA or XFX and MAKE sure you overclock your CPU, it will be a huge bottleneck.

Bondy
04-23-06, 09:45 AM
Ok What clock speed cud I push up my exisiting 2.0GHZ P4 up too? I think overclocking in my bios is disabled, is there a way to enable it or any software that can do it?

keith33
04-23-06, 10:12 AM
Even a P4 3.0ghz is a pretty big bottleneck for 7800 cards; just get it as high as you possibly can with full stability. If your BIOS has it locked, you probably won't be able to overclock it at all. (Unless there's something like an A64 Tweaker for P4s, I'm sure someone on the forum would know about it).

snowmanwithahat
04-23-06, 10:30 AM
yeh, don't spend tha tmuch money on a high end agp card when your sytem is very much below average... i'd go with a 6800 GS at the most, because otherwise you'll just be bottlenecking it by your memory and slower cpu

Bondy
04-23-06, 10:33 AM
Ok Thanks.

Bondy
04-23-06, 10:37 AM
I have a budget of around $450-$550 what do you recommend I get. I want to get to a stage where I can play all my games at a nice resolution and nice video settings.

keith33
04-23-06, 10:53 AM
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80699-5 ($110)
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=240423 ($92)
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80097-06 ($120)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150108 ($289)

So all of that comes to $660 but if you go on ebay I'm sure you can find that stuff a lot cheaper. I only put 1GB of ram in for now, you can probably upgrade it later.

EDIT: http://search.ebay.com/7800-GT_W0QQfromZR40 - you can definately get a 7800 GT for under $200 on ebay, that would save a lot of money.

EDIT: If you want, you can get a new 7600 GT for $200 which is a little faster than a 6800 Ultra. The speed from the new CPU and ram will still make it overall faster than sticking a 7800 GS in your current system.

Bondy
04-23-06, 02:26 PM
Ok wouldthis work out? Get the 7800GS + 3.4GHZ P4 + 1GB Duel Channel Kingston HyperX?

Redeemed
04-23-06, 02:44 PM
All the FX cards are crap.

I'd beg to differ. The 5950Ultra was a pretty awesome card. Granted, it did lag in more Pixel Shader intensive games- but for the majority of the games that were out when it was released (CoD, FarCry, etc) it rocked. The 9800XT barely outperformed it in those games.

Other than the 5950U, the FX series sucked the big ones. ;)

I strongly encourage that you go with a 6800GS. Throw and NV5 cooler on it, download RivaTuner, then unlock the four locked pipes and crank up the clock and mem speeds. That would give you a tremendous boost in performance and should last you for a while.

Then again, if you have about $400 eVGA is going to be release a 7900 AGP part to compete with Gainwards. As such, it should be more or less on par with a 7900GT in terms of performance, if not faster. Personally, I wouldn't upgrade to s939 as it'll be dead (for the A64's anyway) come years end. If you want, go 939 but after AM2 hits your only upgrade would be with Semprons.

So, just get a 6800GS with the cooler I mentioned, slap in some better ram, and that should tide you over till the new sockets come from both AMD and Intel. With the reviews I've seen of Conroe, AMD just MIGHT be taking the backseat this round. After all, they even stated themselves that all the huge architectural changes wont come till later in '07- which is where the "revolutionary performance jump" is supposedly going to be as well.

Redeemed
04-23-06, 02:46 PM
Ok wouldthis work out? Get the 7800GS + 3.4GHZ P4 + 1GB Duel Channel Kingston HyperX?

That would, but hold off on that 7800GS. As I stated above, eVGA is going to be popping out a 7900 based AGP card that will trash the 7800GS miserably. Wait till then. I'd get that card from eVGA since it seems you'd be able to afford it. If you can't wait, then the 7800GS would probably work just fine, though you could just get a 6800GS with a good aftermarket cooler and (after unlocking the pipes and a bit of an OC) get pretty similar performance for quite a bit less.

Demanufakture
04-23-06, 03:02 PM
I keep hearing people say that evga were going to come out with a KO version of the 7800 gs and people saying there is going to be a 7900 gs. However, evga has made no such comments that I am aware of. Personally I am really happy with my 7800 gs. It has a much more powerful core than the 6 series and has transparency aa and gamma correct aa.

TheTaz
04-23-06, 03:26 PM
Well... a couple things...

I run overclocked AMD Athlon XP mobile bartons with the eVGA superclocked 7800GS (2 machines), and they run on par with my former 6800GT, except for better performance in the shader heavy games. (Nice little upgrade from a 6800GT, though not a quantum leap).

You are going from an FX 5600XT -> 7800GS.... which IS a quantum leap in performance, regardless of if you upgrade your CPU or not. However, due to Physics and AI of modern games... it's a real good idea to go ahead and upgrade the CPU as well. ;)

For the RAM.... Kingston is usually overpriced. You probably can find a cheaper dual channel 1GB kit with better timings, by going with Corsair, Gskill, or Patriot. Not sure of the logic of going from 768MB -> 1GB Dual Channel. Dual Channel won't give you THAT much performance boost, and yer kind of wasting money going with only 256MB more vs a whole kit. You prolly could do ok by just swapping out that 3rd 256MB with a 512MB, to get your GB of RAM at minimal cost for an old system.

As for eVGA coming out with a card better than the 7800GS... eVGA has the "step up" program, which will let you exchange your card for the better one (For full value of the lesser card), if the new card comes out within 90 days of purchase (Which it should). Save your old video card, because you have to send the new card to eVGA first, before they send you the upgrade.

If for some reason you decide not to upgrade your CPU... I wouldn't bother upgrading from the 7800GS to whatever eVGA comes out with.... it would be little, to no benefit.

Hope that helps,

-Taz

RAY16
04-23-06, 03:38 PM
That would, but hold off on that 7800GS. As I stated above, eVGA is going to be popping out a 7900 based AGP card that will trash the 7800GS miserably. Wait till then. I'd get that card from eVGA since it seems you'd be able to afford it. If you can't wait, then the 7800GS would probably work just fine, though you could just get a 6800GS with a good aftermarket cooler and (after unlocking the pipes and a bit of an OC) get pretty similar performance for quite a bit less.

Sorry to go off-topic a little here, but what would you say the success rate of 6800GS unlocking is?