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Hellbinder
01-30-03, 11:13 PM
Very disturbing

http://www.3dchips.net/main/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=83


This attitude had however no influence on the graphic card, for in a Dauertestlauf under Maya with abundance Scene Anti Aliasing 4x in a solution of 1280X1024 picture points, the surprise came then: the card first ran for this extremely demanding Benchmark in 13 pictures per second (FPS). After short time the ventilator of the FX 2000 caught was choked to revolve at maximally, at the same time the achievement of the graphic card, delivered the Benchmark only 9 FPS. Subsequently the ventilator regulated itself again on moderated numbers of revolutions, the 9 FPS remained however admissible the measure of all things. First with a new start of the Benchmarks, again the 13 FPS are reached, to the renewed overheating, goes the game again by ahead loose. In spite of costly Belüftung, open housing or other player eggs, it is not arrive us to hold the GeForce FX on a durable achievement level.


Read that, or translate it if necessary. It says point blank that the Quadro 2000's cooling solution is uneffective. Especially under a heavy graphics load. They start a test it gets 13FPS then it starts to overheat and the benchmarks drop to 9, then they shut it off and let it cool, then it gets 13 again.. then it overheats.. then they cool it down..

You get the idea. Just posting this becuase I am already seeing posts where people at Some specific sites are FALSLEY Reporting (like riva station) that

"look see??? I told you GFFX does not need that dustbuster"

It also begs the question of wether the GFFX ULtra is really running at a constant 500mhz or not. Multitexture tests posted at anand, and Extremetech would indicate a clockspeed closer to 450mhz. At least by the time it gets to the fill rate tests.

3dMark Fillrate test multitexture

From extremetech.com

GFFX ULTRA 3557.8
9700 Pro 2564.1

From Anand

GFFX ULTRA 3477.9
Radeon 9700 2536.7

I'm surprised no web sites commented on these scores. The 9700 Pro is clocked at 325 mhz engine. That gives a theoretical maximum of 2600 in the 3D Mark multitexture fillrate test. The actual score is 2564, which is 98.6% of the maximum. Anandtecchs scores are nearly the same. Now look at the GeForce FX. Theoretical maximum at 500 mhz would be 4000, yet it achieves 3558 which is about 89% of the maximum. That seems very odd. Now, take 3558 and round it up to 3600 and now compute the clock speed: 450 mhz. Quite frankly, the multitexture test should be a very reliable way to calculate clock speed. Not that its indicating EXACTLY 450mhz.. but something less than 500 seems certain.

Interesting eh?

gokickrocks
01-31-03, 01:41 AM
if you look at the quadro fx...it still has the dustbuster, just not enclosed in plastic

ad hoc
01-31-03, 11:03 PM
There is a statement in red at the end of that page stating that the problem was fixed after a bios update. The temperatures were aparently being read incorrectly and the GPU's clockrate was slowed as a result of the readings...

There is no way that a piece of silicon (nor solder!) could withstand those temperatures.

Skynet
01-31-03, 11:53 PM
Even if the BIOS was incorrectly throttling down the GPU, the very fact that it even needs that kind of technology for everyday use is pathetic. If you do the math, the 9700 draws MUCH LESS power per transistor/die space. As do a lot of other pieces of silicon.

Nvidia has been building power hungry chips since day one and now it caught up with them. Don't forget even the GeForce4 draws a hell of a lot of juice.

I am not anti-Nvidia but the truth is they never did build an elegant chip, more brute force than balanced design.

Lezmaka
02-01-03, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by Skynet
Even if the BIOS was incorrectly throttling down the GPU, the very fact that it even needs that kind of technology for everyday use is pathetic.

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Don't forget even the GeForce4 draws a hell of a lot of juice.


It all depends on your point of view. The P4 has had something similar since it came out. Plus, if the fan on your card dies, that makes it more likely that the chip can survive intact. Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have at least some kind of protection.

As for the GF4, everything seems to be working just fine on my 200w power supply with 2 7200rpm hard drives, dvd, cdrw, nic, tv tuner, sblive, modem, a few usb powered devices, and an additional pci graphics card.

digitalwanderer
02-01-03, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by Hellbinder
Very disturbing

http://www.3dchips.net/main/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=83



Read that, or translate it if necessary. It says point blank that the Quadro 2000's cooling solution is uneffective. Especially under a heavy graphics load. They start a test it gets 13FPS then it starts to overheat and the benchmarks drop to 9, then they shut it off and let it cool, then it gets 13 again.. then it overheats.. then they cool it down..

You get the idea. Just posting this becuase I am already seeing posts where people at Some specific sites are FALSLEY Reporting (like riva station) that

"look see??? I told you GFFX does not need that dustbuster"

It also begs the question of wether the GFFX ULtra is really running at a constant 500mhz or not. Multitexture tests posted at anand, and Extremetech would indicate a clockspeed closer to 450mhz. At least by the time it gets to the fill rate tests.

3dMark Fillrate test multitexture

From extremetech.com

GFFX ULTRA 3557.8
9700 Pro 2564.1

From Anand

GFFX ULTRA 3477.9
Radeon 9700 2536.7

I'm surprised no web sites commented on these scores. The 9700 Pro is clocked at 325 mhz engine. That gives a theoretical maximum of 2600 in the 3D Mark multitexture fillrate test. The actual score is 2564, which is 98.6% of the maximum. Anandtecchs scores are nearly the same. Now look at the GeForce FX. Theoretical maximum at 500 mhz would be 4000, yet it achieves 3558 which is about 89% of the maximum. That seems very odd. Now, take 3558 and round it up to 3600 and now compute the clock speed: 450 mhz. Quite frankly, the multitexture test should be a very reliable way to calculate clock speed. Not that its indicating EXACTLY 450mhz.. but something less than 500 seems certain.

Interesting eh?

Damn it, YES it's interesting and I think it makes a whole lot of sense...I keep wondering why the heck nVidia wouldn't have went with ANY other solution if they possibly could have.

(BTW-The "Damn it" was 'cause I just promised someone in another thread that I would quit poking fun at the FX fiasco. NOW THIS?!? God is an iron. :rolleyes: )